Max B The Thread

btw some dude off topic but you are into drum sounds and that's why i always boggle at how you can like so much mainstreamy major label rock, worst drum sounds ever yikes, that's p much why i can't engage w/any of it

hate them drum sounds
hate them hate then drum sounds

that's a big can of worms, m@tt, i don't even know where to begin.

'but its a joke i can sell it short' well this time, i didnt take it as a joke, and i dont think that its entirely on me to put up with any jokes anyone says about me ever? that i can be like, hey, i think that this is a bit unfair / misinterprets what i was doing here.

― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Monday, May 2, 2011 9:25 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

are you asserting this is the first time anyone on ilx has accused you of not being able to take a joke or have a sense of humor about yourself?

i guess what im saying is, im careful not to 'lose perspective' or draw connections where i dont think there are any, so when you were clowning like id failed to do that it felt like you were dissing my writing & legitimacy rather than the fact that im a fan of whatever rappers.

it is true that hardly anybody has any idea how to record drums any more - take a record with well-recorded drums to any decent mastering engineer & you'll see the guy's eyes get wide & he'll be like "WHERE'D YOU HAVE THIS DONE, WHO DID THIS" and you'll hear the horror stories of the garbage that gets brought into mastering facilities with instructions to "clean it up"

yeah esp because like it's most what you DON'T do, like all records used to have p good drum sounds until the 80s

im going to rewrite that

im careful when it comes to approaching my writing to keep as much perspective as i can so the audience can trust what im saying, to avoid drawing connections that dont exist, or being anything other than 100% honest (as much as that is possible) when writing about this stuff, so when you were clowning the writing it felt like you were mocking my writing rather than my interest in the aforementioned rappers. which i will put up with from anonymous ppl on message boards, but i take the writing itself seriously, and if you make some joke about it that feels like youre arguing with how ive written something, i'll probably respond seriously. people are defensive about their writing!

xp
what's yr method for lovely drum recordings? it has always seemed hard from my v limited home studio type experiences.

i mean i guess i dont understand why that would surprise you or that id take it seriously -- its not the joke about me liking jacka that pissed me off (sorry not trying to keep you guys from this actually-interesting tangent)

hate to break it to you but there are people that are defensive about their writing, and there is you

cant believe you're siding with him here

everyone is

excuse me -- ill never be offended by that again, how ridiculous of me -- not having a sense of humor

i feel like i've said this 100 times in the past year but you need to learn to just go "alright whatever bro"

we all have the right to get offended at whatever we want but at some point (in this case: like 5 hours ago) you've said everything that needs to be said

why am i the one being told to 'let go' when some dude has been just as involved in this argument?

also i like what you did upthread when Al had a similar JOKE about me putting madvillain in a quik review and then you turned it into A SERIOUS CRITIQUE OF MY WRITING STYLE which, I don't know if you read this guy but

but i take the writing itself seriously, and if you make some joke about it that feels like youre arguing with how ive written something, i'll probably respond seriously. people are defensive about their writing!

― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Monday, May 2, 2011 9:34 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

thats not a contradiction swift

it's what i said upthread -- the fact that you'll go to any lengths & for any length of time to defend even the most minute point that you've made means that you wear on lots of ppl and also makes you seem insecure & to some ppl kinda crazy

that just means, i'd respond seriously. much as, you can respond seriously, if i critique something you write. which you didnt, you flipped out and started posting in all caps & accused me of being haunted by the ghost of ethan or something xp

what's yr method for lovely drum recordings? it has always seemed hard from my v limited home studio type experiences.

I don't think you can really get great drum sounds at home unless you have a pretty big home and/or a SERIOUS ear like Phil Elvrum who could probably get great drum tones in a refrigerator if he had to. But I don't record, I just work with people who do & I've watched dudes with proper ears set up the drums & listen for fuckin' EVER (drives me nuts) and then after what seems like ages they'll start nodding while the drummer's just playing whatever and move a fader into place and you hear it if you're in the control room, it's like, oh, wow, that really seemed like a waste of time but it most assuredly was not because now this sounds so good I just want to listen to it by itself. Otherwise it's a question of not settling for shitty mics, keeping yourself out of it enough to really just be listening instead of kidding yourself about what sounds good or doesn't, and being extremely patient - mic placement, understanding whoever's technique you're recording, asking questions about the actual song so instead of having a default "if I have a hard-hitting drummer, I use an RE-20 on the kick" you're saying "what's going to sound good on this song?" one drum/cymbal at a time.

I seriously think recording is the art of profound patience, I would be a terrible producer because I'm very "hit record let's get this now"

i'm just posting as a friend -- i'm taking no sides in this issue, largely bcuz it's at the point where i'm not totally sure what everyone is arguing about anymore

it's what i said upthread -- the fact that you'll go to any lengths & for any length of time to defend even the most minute point that you've made means that you wear on lots of ppl and also makes you seem insecure & to some ppl kinda crazy

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, May 3, 2011 1:41 AM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

im sorry you think im crazy, i kind of think al is an asshole

this is my 'main takeaway from the thread' & ill stop now

i'm cool with being an asshole fwiw.

http://h-6.abload.de/img/0371_s7wp.gif

im sorry you think im crazy, i kind of think al is an asshole

― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Monday, May 2, 2011 9:44 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

i don't -- i'm just hazarding a guess as to how a large portion of non-goon posters feel when they stumble upon convos like these

oops yeah i guess i made it sound easy and john is right, it's not, but i meant more the 80s brought so much gating and all that stuff and now it's even worse, like i meant use good mics and a good room and a producer that knows how to do it and don't mess it up with processing

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkld71FgpZ1qzhfhso1_500.gif

whatever happened to melissa joan hart. a friend of mine is a pretty decent sound engineer, and his proficiency seems rooted in the same stoicism/reptilian focus that makes him a champ at shit like rubiks cubes and world of warcraft; just being able to keep tweaking and revising over&over oblivious to hunger or fatigue. but I think approaching it from a sort of more producerly standpoint is worthwhile, keeping you focused on your ears and what the sound is up to, and it seems taking the time to relisten is the only real way, so

melissa joan hart has a show on abc family with joey lawrence. she still looks good & has a big ol ass.

remember getting into an argument w/ a kid who had a huge crush on her when I v young over whether or not she had freckles

http://www.realbeauty.com/cm/redbook/images/8b/68_melissa-joan-hart-lg.jpg

stephen halliwell, we can now move on

RIP max b

fucking hilarious mod bias that i was banned from the hug it out thread but some dude wasnt

my issue w/ al basically comes down to, for whatever reason, his 'zings' often come across like personal criticisms while others dont. they come across like dismissive condescension rather than just-lolz. obviously, he doesnt give a fuck, which is fine, but he cant act shocked if someone takes it personally

kinda lukewarm on this dude. i really like "where do i go" and other joints like "live comfortable" but unless he really connects with his hooks or like, wakes up on his verses, he's pretty boring. it's mostly his vioce for me, which is really dry/anonymous - i mean i've loved other rappers with shitty articulation but he doesn't have 50's knack for melody or like, gucci's bounce or deep pocket of flows. or the sense of humor of either. idk maybe i have to listen to more

yeah i think u have to listen more pretty much everything u said is 100% wrong/the opposite of max b reality

haha

i think his style's just not what i dig

ha was gonna say -- like or dislike him, vocal personality, 'knack for melody,' 'deep pocket of flows' are all things dude totally ownz

not that he doesnt have some blander songs

BUT i am a gang starr fanboy & find myself drawn to dudes who are sort of anti-ludacris types in their delivery

cool, relaxed, behind the beat, understated, etc

"knack" was my operative word really - again all i've heard is the debut but while he definitely has a tendency toward melody, to me he uses it more as a crutch than anything else - hit/miss ratio on the hooks isn't that great imo

"understated" is otm i guess, can't really pin down what bores me about dudes like him yet for the most part I dig someone like mega

i think i'm actually fronting a bit - i actually enjoyed it more than i'm admitting, even if i didn't like the aesthetic - kind of the converse of your typical "didn't like it but i respected it" line

really i think it's his voice more than anything

listen to coke wave

woof yeah if all you've heard is this record i'm not surprised you're ambivalent on it

coke wave, public domain 2, quarantine are all better points of entry imo

lately ive been giving PD2 a whole bunch of play
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZngJt-p-QQ

i cant get over how much Noe sounds like Jay-Z though

so much of max's appeal for me is in the total package of how his music operates -- how he slurs his words, the sly humor, how equally sleazy & charming he is (not an easy thing to pull off) -- the vibe is incredibly unique

this music feel good like wakin up, scratchin your ass