Max B The Thread

its not v professional imo

how much more clearly do i have to express myself to stop being sneaky and 'passive aggressive'? i really feel like i've laid all my cards on the table.

i didnt have to write 700 words to make that argument, i did because its ilx & its just off the top of the dome shit, conversational or whatever.

heres a short version.

'yeah i figured you guys would get a kick out of that but i did it anyway cuz i think there is a connection between the artists -- i can go into detail if you like but it wasn't just a cataloging of the artists i like'

now you wouldnt be able to make jokes about how much i wrote, as if that was an indicator of something. would this convo have turned out differently? would i be overreacting? am i taking a 'joke' too seriously bcuz i take issue w/ you saying that i did that 'out of nowhere'? am i not allowed to take issue w/ that? are all zings hands-off because they're just jokes, even when its sorta implied that you mean some of the shit behind it?

my main takeaway from this convo is that you'd be totally fine with someone disagreeing with or making fun of something you said IF you said something wrong and/or unintentionally funny, which in your opinion has never happened and probably never will.

well, then read better

like literally everything you've said just amounts to a haughty "how dare you!"

you felt obligated to explain that you dont even love sheek louch like that in this thread -- how is that any different

cause i said it once briefly and moved on?

because i didnt then continue to argue with you about it because im sure you're right, as i dont happen to be in your head, like you were when you determined i was listing my favorite artists instead of making some wider point

there is no relationship between jacka & max b, none, and if deej says there is, ill argue with him or troll him for the next 200 posts

i'm not saying you deliberately listed favorite artists and are denying it, i'm saying you're so far inside the deej canon that you're not even aware of how much you lean on it in your writing. maybe you were aware and were comfortable with your choice, it just felt very hilariously reflexive, like "paragraph 3 = time to address where Gucci fits in here"

i'm saying you're so far inside the deej canon that you're not even aware of how much you lean on it in your writing

oh see i thought it was just 'joeks bruv'

at least youre admitting it now

like, do you see how phrasing it that way, instead of how flopson or jordan did, feels more like you want to, like, actually talk about the writing rather than standard 'ha, deej section' -- like, you are jumping inside my head & ascertaining that im lost in my world of rap ppl, or whatever

which, if you want to discuss that, fine, but dont front like its just jokes when i come back at it like, well, i actually had a reason to compare them here! and accuse me of overreacting

so if you joke about someone in a way that references actual sincere opinions or observations about that person it's no longer a joke? i can only joke about deej in ways that make no sense like "hey that guy has really long toenails!"?

gross deej get a pedicure

i didnt see where flopson made fun of my toenails

i mean people here joke about how i obsess over drum sounds or whatever and i might protest a little but ultimately all i can say is 'touche' because i know they're just noticing patterns in things i post, not formulating malicious personal attacks on me

yeah but ... you do obsess over drum sounds. & yeah, i obsess on some artists that I think are underrated, but i could also say SOME DUDE'S WORLDVIEW IS DISTORTED BY HIS OBSESSION WITH DRUM SOUNDS, and you could say DEEJ IS LOST IN HIS MYOPIC RAP WORLD, and they are both gonna be interpreted differently! in my case it felt like you were selling my actual analysis short but not in a way that comes across as 'thats our deej' but like, 'deej has lost perspective'

'but its a joke i can sell it short' well this time, i didnt take it as a joke, and i dont think that its entirely on me to put up with any jokes anyone says about me ever? that i can be like, hey, i think that this is a bit unfair / misinterprets what i was doing here.

btw some dude off topic but you are into drum sounds and that's why i always boggle at how you can like so much mainstreamy major label rock, worst drum sounds ever yikes, that's p much why i can't engage w/any of it

hate them drum sounds
hate them hate then drum sounds

that's a big can of worms, m@tt, i don't even know where to begin.

'but its a joke i can sell it short' well this time, i didnt take it as a joke, and i dont think that its entirely on me to put up with any jokes anyone says about me ever? that i can be like, hey, i think that this is a bit unfair / misinterprets what i was doing here.

― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Monday, May 2, 2011 9:25 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

are you asserting this is the first time anyone on ilx has accused you of not being able to take a joke or have a sense of humor about yourself?

i guess what im saying is, im careful not to 'lose perspective' or draw connections where i dont think there are any, so when you were clowning like id failed to do that it felt like you were dissing my writing & legitimacy rather than the fact that im a fan of whatever rappers.

it is true that hardly anybody has any idea how to record drums any more - take a record with well-recorded drums to any decent mastering engineer & you'll see the guy's eyes get wide & he'll be like "WHERE'D YOU HAVE THIS DONE, WHO DID THIS" and you'll hear the horror stories of the garbage that gets brought into mastering facilities with instructions to "clean it up"

yeah esp because like it's most what you DON'T do, like all records used to have p good drum sounds until the 80s

im going to rewrite that

im careful when it comes to approaching my writing to keep as much perspective as i can so the audience can trust what im saying, to avoid drawing connections that dont exist, or being anything other than 100% honest (as much as that is possible) when writing about this stuff, so when you were clowning the writing it felt like you were mocking my writing rather than my interest in the aforementioned rappers. which i will put up with from anonymous ppl on message boards, but i take the writing itself seriously, and if you make some joke about it that feels like youre arguing with how ive written something, i'll probably respond seriously. people are defensive about their writing!

xp
what's yr method for lovely drum recordings? it has always seemed hard from my v limited home studio type experiences.

i mean i guess i dont understand why that would surprise you or that id take it seriously -- its not the joke about me liking jacka that pissed me off (sorry not trying to keep you guys from this actually-interesting tangent)

hate to break it to you but there are people that are defensive about their writing, and there is you

cant believe you're siding with him here

everyone is

excuse me -- ill never be offended by that again, how ridiculous of me -- not having a sense of humor

i feel like i've said this 100 times in the past year but you need to learn to just go "alright whatever bro"

we all have the right to get offended at whatever we want but at some point (in this case: like 5 hours ago) you've said everything that needs to be said

why am i the one being told to 'let go' when some dude has been just as involved in this argument?

also i like what you did upthread when Al had a similar JOKE about me putting madvillain in a quik review and then you turned it into A SERIOUS CRITIQUE OF MY WRITING STYLE which, I don't know if you read this guy but

but i take the writing itself seriously, and if you make some joke about it that feels like youre arguing with how ive written something, i'll probably respond seriously. people are defensive about their writing!

― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Monday, May 2, 2011 9:34 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

thats not a contradiction swift

it's what i said upthread -- the fact that you'll go to any lengths & for any length of time to defend even the most minute point that you've made means that you wear on lots of ppl and also makes you seem insecure & to some ppl kinda crazy

that just means, i'd respond seriously. much as, you can respond seriously, if i critique something you write. which you didnt, you flipped out and started posting in all caps & accused me of being haunted by the ghost of ethan or something xp

what's yr method for lovely drum recordings? it has always seemed hard from my v limited home studio type experiences.

I don't think you can really get great drum sounds at home unless you have a pretty big home and/or a SERIOUS ear like Phil Elvrum who could probably get great drum tones in a refrigerator if he had to. But I don't record, I just work with people who do & I've watched dudes with proper ears set up the drums & listen for fuckin' EVER (drives me nuts) and then after what seems like ages they'll start nodding while the drummer's just playing whatever and move a fader into place and you hear it if you're in the control room, it's like, oh, wow, that really seemed like a waste of time but it most assuredly was not because now this sounds so good I just want to listen to it by itself. Otherwise it's a question of not settling for shitty mics, keeping yourself out of it enough to really just be listening instead of kidding yourself about what sounds good or doesn't, and being extremely patient - mic placement, understanding whoever's technique you're recording, asking questions about the actual song so instead of having a default "if I have a hard-hitting drummer, I use an RE-20 on the kick" you're saying "what's going to sound good on this song?" one drum/cymbal at a time.

I seriously think recording is the art of profound patience, I would be a terrible producer because I'm very "hit record let's get this now"

i'm just posting as a friend -- i'm taking no sides in this issue, largely bcuz it's at the point where i'm not totally sure what everyone is arguing about anymore

it's what i said upthread -- the fact that you'll go to any lengths & for any length of time to defend even the most minute point that you've made means that you wear on lots of ppl and also makes you seem insecure & to some ppl kinda crazy

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, May 3, 2011 1:41 AM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

im sorry you think im crazy, i kind of think al is an asshole

this is my 'main takeaway from the thread' & ill stop now

i'm cool with being an asshole fwiw.

http://h-6.abload.de/img/0371_s7wp.gif

im sorry you think im crazy, i kind of think al is an asshole

― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Monday, May 2, 2011 9:44 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

i don't -- i'm just hazarding a guess as to how a large portion of non-goon posters feel when they stumble upon convos like these

oops yeah i guess i made it sound easy and john is right, it's not, but i meant more the 80s brought so much gating and all that stuff and now it's even worse, like i meant use good mics and a good room and a producer that knows how to do it and don't mess it up with processing