the juke/bmore/bloghouse frankenstein dance music they play at clubs

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trying to imagine dancing to this type of music in a club, and all i can imagine is standing around doing nothing for long stretches of time, and then in the really hectic wobble bass parts just spastically waving one around while holding a drink in the other. and i'd be wearing a big hoody, fluorescent plastic sunglasses and a rainbow printed fitted way up on my head. which is basically what i was surrounded by in the "hip" clubs in san diego looked like when i stopped going out three years ago.

i think that gets at what i dont like about it -- i feel like, when im dancing to this stuff, theres an awful lot of dicking around with the beat with no functional purpose, like they're doing it because its what you're supposed to do w/ a remix, and as a dancer you're just sort of like "ok i get the point, move on plz" ------ a lot of dance music uses this sort of thing to build tension and it seems like when its dance music i like that tension, and your patience, is rewarded bcuz eventually there's this big release, but that never seems to come on this stuff. Instead the 'release' is solely the point at which u go "oh i know this song!! but it doesnt sound like the version i know!!" instead of, you know, an actual musical release. Instead the song just dicks you around for a long time, chopping up vocals and repeating sections but never really congealing into a solid idea

sorry if im overwriting this but im genuinely having trouble understanding it at a, like, primal level, not the cerebral/removed/lol old one.

this track you linked is still better than 90% of the stuff on orko's podcast IMO

should read

"and it seems like when its dance music i like, that tension and your patience is rewarded"

ha its kinda growing on me to be honest u_u -- but it still seems sort of randomly structured, like i want to open it in audacity and do a bunch of C+Ping

like i want to open it in audacity and do a bunch of C+Ping

i hate to validate disco nihilist / tombot style grousing about production technology but i am sort of coming around to their take on software vs hardware

why bother concentrating on programming rhythm when you can just take an mp3s and chop them to bits on your laptop? then it just becomes a matter of showing off your taste in your "productions" rather than, i dunno, musicality or something. no surprise then, that this music is like the domain of blogger dudes who check turntablelab every day?

looking forward to when pipecock rejoins us lol

looking forward to getting a killfile working

millsian techno dudes : "i can tweak a kick drum better than the next guy"

blog house dudes: "i have more regional rap / third world dance music mp3s than the next guy"

moonship whats some populist dance music you dig this year
interpret populist however you want. but by dance music i mean, like, dance music

"watch my feet"

"cha cha slide"

fuck, those are from last year

"township funk"

http://www.amazon.com/Township-Funk/dp/B001EIKLCO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1229054661&sr=8-1

this?^^^^

yeah, that's probably my track of the year (it's my ringtone, anyway)

seriously, though, it's been a pretty bad year for dance music. if you look at say, the BBC's essential mix, a lot of the mixes are repeats of "classic" mixes from the 90s or early 00s. and then if you take out the 1/3 of them that are same-old same-old trance or progressive house the remaining mixes are something like 50% old tracks. you look at someone like, i dunno, simian mobile disco or crookers or riton or whatever other hot new producer and it's sort of stunning how they lean on old classic house, acid or techno.

i guess that explains why i've spent the year either listening non-populist stuff like space disco or balearic revival or edits, and blatantly non-dance music like dub techno and the dubby end of dubstep. and tons of old, old, old music.

2008 = Even that crazy new experimental shit was too conservative.

My theory is that 2008 breaks down like this:

1) Too much of what is good and popular is not populist (nu-deep-minimal; space disco/balearic for the most part; upmarket dubstep)
2) Too much of what is good and populist is not popular (UK funky house)
3) Too much of what is popular and populist is not good (blog-house/frankendance; downmarket dubstep)

i'd probably be more into funky and bassline if i could actually HEAR any of it. i'm just too old and busy (and married) to spend all night downloading mp3s.

tim you need to send me some CDs again!

Tracks that give me some hope for some interesting things in the future.

Hrdvsion - Playing For Keeps (Daddy's Angel)

Proof that obnoxious noise sometimes can bring the funk.

Boys Noize - Shine Shine (Apparat Remix)

Proof that all this indie electro isn't universally underproduced.

And even though its just electrohouse ZZT's The Worm (Erol Alkan edit) just fucking rules.

do people still make electrohouse?

Tiga and Zombie Nation do apparently, it definitely splits the difference between 2004 and 2008 though.

3. don't see the appeal of this. there's gotta be much better baltimore club music than blaqstarr. why is he so popular?

dude is a genius and changed the game in so many ways, but yeah he's not very representative or the best per se, and "Bang" is not really a club song and also one of his worst songs.

what are the good songs

Tote It, Get My Gun, Hands Up Thumbs Down, Ryda Gyrl, Slyde, Supastarr, In The Air, Stop, Check Me Out Like, Crazy Leg Wit It, Rockstarrz, Automatic Lover, Put Ya Gun In Da Air, Get Your Hands Up

and how did he change the game

mostly in the vocals (creepy falsetto leads and super-layered wordless chants) but also the way he used drums (really innovated as far as Baltimore club with all kicks and hi-hats, no snares or breakbeats) and synths, he basically flipped the scene on its ear around '05-'06.

"tim you need to send me some CDs again!"

Okay! Will try to make actual delivery more prompt than last time.

hay ill take cds from tim but feel free to send them in sendshare form

And this is what I ride for.

http://www.factmagazine.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1618&Itemid=28

1. Karizma - Broken Beats
2. Rapid - Report To The Dancefloor
3. DJ Mystery - Changes
4. Lil Silva - Funky Flex
5. Conan Liquid - One Time (For Your Mind)
6. Geeneus - Yellowtail
7. D1 - Ongie Bongie
8. D Malice - Monopoly
9. L-Vis & Bok Bok - Bongo Jam Refix
10. Crazy Cousinz - Infiltration
11. L-Vis 1990 - Flux
12. Rod Lee - Let The Horns Go
13. Moves!! - All Skate
14. Silverlink - The Message Is Love (L-Vis 1990 Dub)
15. DJ Zinc - Ghosttrain
16. Bok Bok - No Need To Front 2009
17. Ikonika - Please
18. Kode 9 vs LD - Bad
19. Hunger Pains - In Middle (DJ Slugo Remix)
20. Drop The Lime - Hear Me (Buraka Som Sistema Remix)
21. L-Vis 1990 - The Night Slug

D1 had a joint i loved earlier this year -- lemme see if i can find it

there it go

havent checked yr mix yet but this D1

...oops

this D1 is not frankendance

btw DJ Slugo is 'real schitt' club music here in chicago -- real well known dude who plays 'actual' juke shit -- i guess sorta like rod lee?

i dunno that mix looks kinda interesting just from the tracklist dude -- but including funky house even suggests this isnt typical frankendance stuff

Well Bok Bok has got no use for fidget.

But its kind of the vibe that I find exceptable, mostly purist with a smattering of awareness of other genres thrown in. I just don't live in London or Chicago or Baltimore so I'm not quite sure how to approach it myslef.

xpost. you're talking about the same D1 as is in the mix, which looks to me like mainly UK tings/dubstep etc, not really very frankensteiny if i'm not mistaken?

I'm loving is maybe my 12" of the year.

Yeah, its mostly a funky mix with some other stuff thrown in for flavor.

is 'i'm lovin' really dubstep?? i must have a weird misconception of dubstep

Its dubstep in a perfect world, D1 has always been on his own tip really.

His early beats were really heavily techno influence (way before it was the in thing).

And recently he's had a huge fun house side to him.

well the ideal for dubstep is that it's anything at around 140 bpm with a big sub and a bit of swing but yeah, obviously most of it doesn't sound like "i'm loving" which is a lot more like funky and house etc.

or what siah said.

'I'm Loving' sounds like classic house music to me. It has a lot of 88-92 touches to it (strings and other keys, bongos, the rhythm of the bass, not to mention the vocals). I really like it.

you almost had me with

"i hate to validate disco nihilist / tombot style grousing about production technology but i am sort of coming around to their take on software vs hardware

why bother concentrating on programming rhythm when you can just take an mp3s and chop them to bits on your laptop? then it just becomes a matter of showing off your taste in your "productions" rather than, i dunno, musicality or something. no surprise then, that this music is like the domain of blogger dudes who check turntablelab every day?

― moonship journey to baja"

but then you had to go all

"seriously, though, it's been a pretty bad year for dance music."

and

"i guess that explains why i've spent the year either listening non-populist stuff like space disco or balearic revival or edits, and blatantly non-dance music like dub techno and the dubby end of dubstep. and tons of old, old, old music.

― moonship journey to baja"

and i realised that we are not on the same page at all.

pretty sure he killfiled you, dude

"pretty sure he killfiled you, dude

― what is my attitude (gbx)"

i'll send you a memo when i give a fuck