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Vahid do you not like the first track or "You Hurt Me" or "Broken Home" even?

I guess I like Mezzanine though.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 01:12 (nineteen years ago)

i like "mezzanine" a lot!!

the fuckablity of late picasso (vahid), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 01:17 (nineteen years ago)

What's the problem then?

If you just mean the hype is a ridiculism taken to new levels, then yeah I understand.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 01:18 (nineteen years ago)

yeah the dudes at dissensus (esp the pale ones w/ skinny arms and fancy blogs about dubstep) are full-time ridiculists

the fuckablity of late picasso (vahid), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 01:25 (nineteen years ago)

I think Burial is pretty shite. I really don't see why he's garnered the heavy hype. In fact, I'm kind of completely confused as to how someone I rank so lowly seems to have been railroaded by a certain set as the apotheosis of this shit when to me he is a bore. Ho and indeed hum.

jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 02:13 (nineteen years ago)

I imagine the similarities to dark emotive trip hop (Tricky, Mezzanine, The Private Press) might actually be quite startling to people who were never really into that stuff in the first place. A friend of mine who is into Burial was shocked when I compared the album to DJ Shadow b/c (I think) she'd always dismissed Shadow as boring mood muzak.

In truth, both Shadow and Burial are mood muzak, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, and I like the most overblown pop moments of the Burial album for largely the same reasons that I like the most overblown pop moments of The Private Press.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 03:31 (nineteen years ago)

I loved Shadow as a youngster. Entroducing was the first electronic/indie album I probably ever listened to (I was 12 so fuck off). Burial I don't get the same vibe off of, I can't see him as today's skinny punks' gateway drug.

jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 03:45 (nineteen years ago)

You know like it's not easier, and it's not better. While Shadow managed to be both populist and fantastic. Burial is probably even harder to get in to than most dubstep. Skream has far more of a sense for pop (relatively).

jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 03:47 (nineteen years ago)

You can hate me now.

jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 03:49 (nineteen years ago)

I like the Burial album (it works well as a full length and Tricky/Massive Attack comparisons are pretty apt, but I like that stuff too) but it's not obv not amazing (I think the Benga record is probably better actually.) But then again I didn't realize anyone actually thought this record was that amazing though. General consensus as far as I can tell has been "SOMEONE FINALLY RELEASES A DUBSTEP FULL-LENGTH AND ITS NOT HORSEPOWER PRODUCTIONS AND IT'S PRETTY GOOD" and well they did and it is.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 03:49 (nineteen years ago)

> Is Dubstep Allstars Vol 4 really out tomorrow?

the 17th according to amazon, yes. according to boomkat it's out in two days (but that's got to be a mistake, right, nothing's ever released on a thursday). ordered mine yesterday but it says '4 to 6 weeks' for delivery, so maybe not. it's a double cd btw, hatcha and youngsta mix a disk each.

koogy wonderland (koogs), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 07:51 (nineteen years ago)

four weeks pass...
I like luke.envoy's 'Gamma' altho it seems archetypal but with just a deeper, darker bassline and busy enough to keep my interest. would really benefit from having an MC on it tho.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 09:45 (nineteen years ago)

The Kode9 and Space Ape album is very good, probably better than the Burial album, although I'm on my first listen so this is preliminary assessment only. Very well produced indeed. I wouldn't have thought making a whole album with Space Ape was a good idea at all, although he is much less annoying over the course of an album than on a single track or throughout a mix (if I keep thinking about this i may even work out why). One advantage for Kode9 perhaps is that by having such consistency in the vocal department, listeners' attention is focused on the variety in the arrangements.

More thoughts to follow.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 28 August 2006 08:15 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...
Mary Anne Hobbs: Warrior Dubz (heh, this & Various to the Cover Connections thread!)

The Lex's review of same in The Guardian

zebedee (zebedee), Friday, 13 October 2006 09:34 (nineteen years ago)

I saw Digital Mystikz and Pinch last night, they were both very good

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 13 October 2006 09:51 (nineteen years ago)

this, the Kode9 lp, the Skream lp and the new Ed Rush & Optical lp (which is kinda off topic but not that much. and that Quarantine comp too) all shipping in the next couple of weeks...

Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Friday, 13 October 2006 10:31 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not really up on drum'n'bass (old or new) but I thought it was worth mentioning that DJ Clever (who jess iirc is always making reference to) has done a Dubstep CD mix recently.

Science Faction: Dubstep

01 - Scuba - Brown
02 - Pinch - Qawwali
03 - Gravious - Wormsign
04 - DJ Distance - Cyclops
05 - Hatcha & Benga - Progression
06 - Luke Envoy - Gamma
07 - Pinch - Punisher
08 - Scuba - Twista
09 - Vex'd - Killing Floor
10 - Scuba - Harpoon
11 - Search and Destroy - Candyfloss (Loefah Rmx)
12 - DJ Distance - Traffic
13 - DJ Distance - Nomad (Scuba Rmx)
14 - Mark One - Devil Boy
15 - Sileni - Twitchy Droid Leg (Vex'd Rmx)

(haven't heard this yet fwiw)

eh (fandango), Friday, 13 October 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

02 - Pinch - Qawwali
15 - Sileni - Twitchy Droid Leg (Vex'd Rmx)

Badness!

Can some mod please change this thread's title? Makes me wince everytime I see it.

struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Friday, 13 October 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

dubstep is dead, yeah???

HUNTA-V (vahid), Friday, 13 October 2006 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

yep, dead as soon as it goes overground in 5, 4, 3 ...

(or, is your point something about that tracklist being too old/familiar/too small a pool of producers vahid? it's hard to tell)

eh (fandango), Friday, 13 October 2006 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

nah, just about the familiar british-dance-subgenre hype cycle

burial = "new forms"
science faction = "run the road"
dubstep allstars 4 = "platinum breakz 2"
spaceape = bad memories of talkin loud spoken word stuff circa 98 etc

HUNTA-V (vahid), Friday, 13 October 2006 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7417/skream21dm8.jpg

eh (fandango), Friday, 13 October 2006 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

I don't understand any of those equations.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 13 October 2006 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

The hyperbolic hype is getting to me. I don't want to hear how dubstep is the most forward thinking and radical new sound in dance music/the UK or whatever, ever again. The tendency of journos to always mention dark, paranoid Orwellian/Blairite London in any dubstep review is also wack. It's dubstep's equivalent of "cold, robotic, teutonic etc." whenever German techno is being discussed.

struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Friday, 13 October 2006 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

Where is this hyperbolic hype? I must be missing it, because most everything I read is just like "dubstep, some good stuff, a lot of it's boring, people who think this stuff is going to blow up outside of it's little scene are smoking crack." Okay Mary Anne Hobbs excepted, she's supposed to hyperbolic when these guys are appearing on her show.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 13 October 2006 21:46 (nineteen years ago)

dissenus

HUNTA-V (vahid), Friday, 13 October 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

Ohmigod wait you mean a forum which is for all intensive purposes a dubstep forum (there is another one too, but I think most of those guys post on both) is high on dubstep?!?! Jeez who'da thunk it!? I hear that they still are into roots on the B&F forums too! Also I hear Dillinja still likes the music he puts out!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 13 October 2006 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

From BBC website thingy I linked on the Skream thread:

The first truly exciting thing to happen in dance music since the turn of the millennium, dubstep appears to be reaching a kind of critical mass in terms of the feverish media coverage afforded to it. At the epicentre of this swirling hype tornado is Skream, whose eponymous debut album arrives this week looking like it could be just the thing to tip dubstep over into the mainstream.

The Lex's(!) review of MAH's Warrior Dubz compilation in today's Graun (N.B. he was calling dubstep boring like two months ago!):
This is a superb introduction to some of the most thrilling, forward-thinking music in the UK today.

Time-out:
A woofer-carried pandemic is on its way and frankly, resistance is futile

struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Friday, 13 October 2006 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

I don't read no dissensus!

struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Friday, 13 October 2006 21:57 (nineteen years ago)

I hear Dillinja still likes the music he puts out

LOL he would! what a clown.

HUNTA-V (vahid), Friday, 13 October 2006 21:57 (nineteen years ago)

I don't read no dissensus!
Well I have, but not on the regular.

struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Friday, 13 October 2006 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

i.e. it's shit.

struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Friday, 13 October 2006 22:00 (nineteen years ago)

Haha to be fair to Lex what else is there in the UK?

The other two are pretty silly, but that's pretty much par for the course on any music review anywhere. Most journo's don't try to make stuff they like sound boring.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 13 October 2006 22:00 (nineteen years ago)

If you're in a hurry writing copy it's easier to be hyperbolic than to offer guarded praise.

I have this notion that DJ Clever's mix will be great, better probably than all the other dubstep mixes I have. This based on the fact that what Clever cherrypicks from drum & bass is pretty much exactly the same sort of stuff (once you slow it down a bit) that DJs should be cherrypicking from dubstep. That he includes "Qawwali" is a tentative empirical confirmation (yeah, I know, it's kind of an obvious inclusion at this point, and no way is "Punisher" nearly as good no matter what wack people say).

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 13 October 2006 23:04 (nineteen years ago)

i.e. it's shit

the pretension at dissensus can be choking but they do mention good tracks that don't get highlighted here.

jergins (jergins), Friday, 13 October 2006 23:32 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, there are many things to commend it for. It doesn't have threads about how shit NME/Guardian is, or "best songs with the sound of someone giving the trombonist directions in it" and has a lot more discussion of dubstep. But I think there's a higher unreadable to readable ratio.

struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Friday, 13 October 2006 23:35 (nineteen years ago)

Some of the swill I read on Dissensus while ILM was down:

By minimal though, are you meaning dubstep ?

ardkore>>jungle>>drum n bass>>nu skool breaks>>breakstep>>dubstep ??

Those were both by the same guy. I'd call him the Geir of breaks.

But I suppose it was worth it to read this from Blackdown:

a big name minimal artist has the parts to at least two different dubstep artists' tracks...

struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 09:21 (nineteen years ago)

The guy I believe you are referring to is an industrial strength irritant who has been banned from various boards (incl Dissensus, but they let him on with a different handle- why?) On the Dubstepforum he constantly promoted his own dire tunes even after the point where people immediately told him to fuck off. Actually the key thing ILM has over Dissensus is humour.

@Tim Finney--- yes, there is no way Punisher could be thought of as even a quarter as good as Qawalli, (tho the VIP mix had some tastily engineered percussion in a minimal house stylee). Allegedly Pinch has moved away from Qawalli's sound now, which is really pretty unfortunate.

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 18:32 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't even like the VIP that much :-(

I think maybe that whole masculine robot sharpness thing which defines so much dubstep (and which define both "Punisher" and the VIP against "Qawwali") is perhaps a very minor turn-off for me, it's quite astonishing how much I love "Qawwali" above and beyond all dubstep going right back to, like, mid-2002.

The Shackleton track that begins the Cassy mix (and is the best thing on there apart from the DJ Abstract track, can you believe this is me saying that??) is in a vaguely similar style, perhaps I should check out more Shackleton...?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 04:10 (nineteen years ago)

Just wanted to Big Up a well done mix by Vaccine.

You can find it at the forum

Vaccine's track to start off the mix is quite good.


And Tim, I take it back, I'm not sure if you'll like Shackleton's other stuff really, its got a kind of sterility to it.

Clean, precise, experimental definitely.

Some of its really, really good though.

Siah Alan (Siah Alan), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 04:24 (nineteen years ago)

it's definitely worth checking out the full version of Blood On My Hands, and its flip 'Hypno Angel'. Skull Disco 3 is probably my favourite dubstep record, alongside Qawwali and Toasty Boy's Splash (check this one track out, honestly. not into his other stuff but this is great). none of Shackleton's stuff is anywhere near as warm as 'Blood' but it's all good.

a (rslvd), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 06:18 (nineteen years ago)

I changed the thread title as it had been grating on me also for a while now.

Andrew (enneff), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 06:32 (nineteen years ago)

Finally I can sleep at night.

struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:15 (nineteen years ago)

"Allegedly Pinch has moved away from Qawalli's sound now, which is really pretty unfortunate.

-- gekoppel (inabeautifulplaceinthecountr...), October 17th, 2006."

there's a new one by Pinch called 'One Blood' that sugests this isn't quite true.

martin (martin), Thursday, 19 October 2006 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

dubstep allstars 4 is surprisingly different from number 1 (i don't have the intermediary volumes). i'm kinda new to this music - what's witht he big stylistic change?

wogan lenin (dog latin), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

just evolution i guess. a newish genre finding its feet (or losing its edge?)

(vol 2 is my favourite by some distance fwiw. also, check out the garage pressure podcasts (garagepressure.com).)

Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Friday, 20 October 2006 07:55 (nineteen years ago)

I'm starting to think that I might have been sleeping on dubstep too long, having hardly listened to any (except 'Midnight Request Line') in the last 4 years. Anyway, I'm completely addicted to the DJ Clever mix, esp 'Qawwali' - what else should I be listening to? I wasn't really into the Burial or Skream albums, but if there are any mixes/tracks/albums more like 'Qawwali' I need them...

toby (tsg20), Friday, 20 October 2006 12:03 (nineteen years ago)

(cough)garagepressure.com(/cough)

plenty on bleep as well, check the ROAD section in the labels dropdown.

and pinch's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/tectonicrecordings
and all his friends (distance, headhunter, vexd...)

Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Friday, 20 October 2006 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

toby --

Shackleton - Skull Disco 3 (whole 12) / 'Tin Foil Sky' / 'Hamas Rule' / 'I Want To Eat You'
Toasty Boy - 'Splash'

a (rslvd), Friday, 20 October 2006 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

also Mala 'Left Leg Out' (sort of)

a (rslvd), Friday, 20 October 2006 13:20 (nineteen years ago)


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