whole lot of people ARE butthurt about how Jay did the Roc or disappointed in how he handled it though
― some dude, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 00:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh I know the hip hop world hates it. I was talking about "us" specifically on ILM.
― lilsoulbrother, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 00:19 (thirteen years ago) link
wow.
― Call on me (Spinspin Sugah), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 00:21 (thirteen years ago) link
did any of us cared when a male artists like Jay-Z dismantled Roc-a-Fella?
I did!
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 03:33 (thirteen years ago) link
What a surprise Switch did something similar for Christina Aguilera for Bionic. The instrumentals are essentially the same:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ2niKaeW74
― lilsoulbrother, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 04:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Dion doesn't know what camp is -- she married an septuagenarian with the foulest mullet ever created.
and let's not forget her anne geddes calendar
― boehner und der club of gore (donna rouge), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 04:33 (thirteen years ago) link
That X-tina cover reminds me of this one Mega Man game where after you defeat a boss Mega Man is standing there and half of him is see-through robot circuitry.
Also, yay Beyonce! I've had a thing for her since the first time I heard Destiny's Child, and it's definitely not going away w this song.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 04:38 (thirteen years ago) link
This is a straight up banger but I hope the final version cuts the bit where Beyonce appears to wander off in a different direction before remembering where she is and what she's supposed to be doing.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 07:29 (thirteen years ago) link
this is brilliant
― teledyldonix, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 07:36 (thirteen years ago) link
and by afaict equating just the snare drum pattern with the entire "beat" (i.e. all of the instrumentation) you're either willfully bending the truth or demonstrating an inability to tell the difference
"All of the instrumentation" isn't actually the beat though, the beat IS the snare drum pattern and the other percussive noises around it, and it's there in its entirety.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 10:13 (thirteen years ago) link
I was using "the beat" in a modern hip hop parlance where it means "the instrumental track" and not "the percussion."
― some dude, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 11:51 (thirteen years ago) link
In which case telling someone they're "either willfully bending the truth or demonstrating an inability to tell the difference" is kind of a dick move when what they were saying was technically correct.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 11:54 (thirteen years ago) link
(Fwiw I don't really care about the concept of "riddimification" and don't think it's really applicable here)
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 11:59 (thirteen years ago) link
I am perplexed by this tune. If tune it be called. Beyonce went to more effort on her "In The Club" "riddim" cut and didn't even release that.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 12:53 (thirteen years ago) link
it still hasn't quite settled for me, i must admit - i'm feeling the energy and the yelling, i don't remotely mind the lack of tune, but it does make me want to listen to princess nyah instead
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 12:55 (thirteen years ago) link
I think the decision to get rid of Afrojack's "uh uh uh uhhhhh" hook but not replace it with much maybe was flawed, but then the first few listens I thought "Never Leave You" was too sparse too.
Beyonce already has proven she can do yelling in fine form time and time again, at this stage I'm not certain I can see what the yelling amounts to here.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Surely this isn't particularly surprising to anyone that's heard Ring The Alarm or Single Ladies? It's a superior call-to-arms ladies banger than Single Ladies certainly.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Also this is still the demo we're listening to, right?
okay I am in love with "Bobblehead", how did I miss this
oh right, most of the singles from that album were terrible and I never listened to it
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:11 (thirteen years ago) link
It's a superior call-to-arms ladies banger than Single Ladies certainly.
On what criterion? I dunno, whether you like it or not Single Ladies is basically the "call-to-arms ladies banger" of the past 5 years.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:15 (thirteen years ago) link
well, it certainly raises the "call to arms" stakes by using what sounds like a marching band drum cadence as a foundational beat
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:17 (thirteen years ago) link
I think the decision to get rid of Afrojack's "uh uh uh uhhhhh" hook but not replace it with much
yeah i definitely miss it (didn't really know how to describe it though, "uh uh uh uhhhh" will do!)
the radio version's emerged, it's much fuller-sounding
this is definitely better than "single ladies" which may be a pop cultural monolith but is only an average song
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:18 (thirteen years ago) link
dan, the other track off the xtina album you should hear is "monday morning" - glorious new wave amazingness, bafflingly also relegated to bonus track status
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRNjMGraUZM
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:19 (thirteen years ago) link
that picture is weird -- it looks like they've extended her face well beyond the confines of her face
― thomp, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:24 (thirteen years ago) link
re: "Bobblehead", there's some more Major Lazer connection going on here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHZEtGS9XFo
(obv not nearly as connected as "Girls"/"Pon De Floor")
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:30 (thirteen years ago) link
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well, i was talking to The Lex, who i feel i can safely assume was speaking in the same terms as i was. and anyway DJP already poked an actual hole in my argument and i'd dropped it, so i'm not really interested in hashing it out further just because you decided to bring it up again.
― some dude, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah but it's had years to grow into that role (and in fact managed it in months). It didn't have that status 48hrs after leaking, in fact there was a general underwhelmed shrug when it first emerged. See how this new one fares after several months of being caned on dancefloors everywhere. I already like it more than Single Ladies (which I like but don't love).
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:43 (thirteen years ago) link
eh, I don't know about all that; it seemed to me that around these parts, the instant a lot of women heard it they went "OMG ANTHEM PUT A RING ON IT FUCK YEAH" and sprained their wrists doing that hand-flick move from the video
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah I was mostly talking about people on the internet, not the real world (where this new one hasn't actually impacted yet).
I'm not betting against that happening now either. I mean the worst I could say is that she's kinda cynically going for exactly the same effect but that's not to say it won't work.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:51 (thirteen years ago) link
"Single Ladies" definitely didn't seem immediately like it was going to be as HUGE as it was -- "If I Were A Boy" seemed to get more promotion and discussion initially and then when the "Single Ladies" video dropped that really solidified it as a smash.
― some dude, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Were they released simultaneously?
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 14:01 (thirteen years ago) link
(lol I could look that up)
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 14:03 (thirteen years ago) link
"i was a boy" was first by a small margin iirc
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 20 April 2011 14:04 (thirteen years ago) link
the ironic thing is that there was a lot of pre-video buzz about the "if i were a boy" (beyonce was a cop or something?) whereas the "single ladies" video kinda dropped as an instant classic
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 20 April 2011 14:05 (thirteen years ago) link
According to Wikipedia: released simultaneously, "If I Were A Boy" hit #3 in November and "Single Ladies" hit #1 in December
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 14:06 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah one might have hit the net like a few hours or a day or two earlier but they were pretty much simultaneous releases. totally makes sense that "Boy" peaked earlier as far as i remember things.
― some dude, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 14:08 (thirteen years ago) link
obv i'm talking about the "if i were a boy" video in my last post
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 20 April 2011 14:09 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i was responding to the one before that
― some dude, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 14:10 (thirteen years ago) link
i know i was just clearing up the fact that i omitted the word "video" from my post
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 20 April 2011 14:12 (thirteen years ago) link
ok i didn't get that that post was about videos since it was a response to DJP who clearly wasn't talking about videos but that's a pretty mild misunderstanding to hash out over several posts haha
― some dude, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 14:14 (thirteen years ago) link
well i was sort of going off your point about "if i were a boy" having more discussion/promotion initially
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 20 April 2011 14:16 (thirteen years ago) link
the video iirc was hyped as this big thing where beyonce plays male roles whereas the "single ladies" video is the antithesis of that stylistically & it's just funny how things actually turned out
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 20 April 2011 14:17 (thirteen years ago) link
weirdly the stats don't even totally show that big a gap between the 2 songs -- "Single Ladies" only has twice as much iTunes sales as "Boy" and 115 million YouTube views vs. 70 million, where it really feels like 10 times as popular
― some dude, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 14:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Why can't she make an album that sounds as good as the Control scrap? That was such a great track, I listen to it often.
― Leopard on the Cheetos Bag (MintIce), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 15:02 (thirteen years ago) link
i think its way weird ppl on here like this more than 'single ladies' -- this sounds like directionless garbage imo
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link
I like the egregious vocal overdubs on this more than "Single Ladies" but I'm not 100% convinced it works as a song.
As a swaggering sound collage it's fucking great, though; almost like Beyonce listened to some old Severed Heads shit and said "hey Switch, I want you to do this, only use my voice and make it all sparkly and day-glo".
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 15:52 (thirteen years ago) link
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, April 20, 2011 11:40 AM (39 minutes ago) Bookmark
Matt DC and lex pretend said this is better than "Single Ladies" but i can't imagine they speak for a ton of other people, if anyone
― some dude, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 16:22 (thirteen years ago) link
I think a non-negligible number of ppl around here liked "Get Me Bodided" more than "Single Ladies" so I don't think it's really that much of a surprise that some would also like "Girls" more.
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Those are the two best songs she's done imo
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 16:26 (thirteen years ago) link
"Bodied" and "Ladies", not "Girls" obv