hopefully the video from this stays far the fuck away from m.i.a./"rude boy" territory
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 19 April 2011 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link
"lose my breath" is still amazing
― lex pretend, Tuesday, April 19, 2011 1:45 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
rly tho
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 20:53 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTlWtG8qXvo&feature=player_embedded#at=20
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^Lol. Maybe I'm getting a little older, but really is the song that bad??? Also, this is like her 4th solo album, and her 8th or 9th overall. The woman can only make so many "classics"/"bangers" consecutively. I think she can afford to experiment or stumble at this moment of her career.
This also reminds me of how her rabid fans hated "Deja Vu" and tried to create a petition for it and the video to be removed. In addition, I would like to know how more women/girls thinks of the song. We already have Maura who is the most balanced critique so far. The others have been gay men, and well we already noted how drag queen parody can go into full effect.
― lilsoulbrother, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 22:19 (thirteen years ago) link
To clarify, I'm not saying that gay men don't have the right or the perspective to analyze/review pop music by female artists. If anything, gay men's critiques are highly valuable. But with forums like popjustice and the likes they can be quite shrill and remind me that despite the social connotations of being gay, we are still men at the end of the day.
I'm just saying I would like to see more women's/girl's reaction to the song, and yes even straight men too.
― lilsoulbrother, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think this song is all that but lsb otm
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 22:28 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't necessarily mind Beyoncé's brand of feminism so much - it's an essential part of who she is as an artist and probably as a person - but I do feel as though it's steadily regressed over the years, from being pretty sophisticated and smart back at the beginning of Destiny's Child ("Hey Ladies", "Bug A Boo" & others) to now just being peurile hollering like "Single Ladies" and this, which seems to be her most basic female empowerment anthem to date.
― PΓ☼LΞG☼ (prolego), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 22:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Though when she says "Who runs the world? Girls!", I think the "girls" bit is just being used to cover up what she's really thinking: "I run this motha!". Letoya, LaTavia and Michelle for starters know Beyoncé doesn't care an ounce for empowering womankind in general.
And that's what I love about her.
― PΓ☼LΞG☼ (prolego), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, the "Girls!" makes the whole song sound kind of silly for a grown-ass woman to be singing.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 23:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Poor LaTavia...
― Call on me (Spinspin Sugah), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 23:07 (thirteen years ago) link
i get the impression from her songs that beyoncé is a really private person who is determined not to let anyone see the "real her", and who's got the chutzpah to get away with that. and that she really, really loves money. not (just) in the flashy bling way that's pop's common currency, i mean really loves money like a hedge fund owner loves money. actually beyoncé is pretty much the hedge fund of the pop industry.
This is pretty OTM.
Also: Celine Dion doesn't "do" camp intentionally. Dion doesn't know what camp is -- she married an septuagenarian with the foulest mullet ever created.
― My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 23:10 (thirteen years ago) link
and that is the most camp thing of all!
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 23:13 (thirteen years ago) link
which is how camp should work!
― My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 23:25 (thirteen years ago) link
SO basically this is Beyonce's "Hollaback Girl," then?
― Paul McCartney and Whigs (Phil D.), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 23:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't know if this is snarky or not, but she actually did go through a hard time after the Destiny's Child break-up.
― lilsoulbrother, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 23:47 (thirteen years ago) link
No snark in the least. Of all the ex-members, I have the most sympathy for her after her appearance on Real Housewives of Atlanta. Matthew Knowles really did a number on those girls and Beyoncé and Kelly aren't exactly innocent in the purging of the "bad seeds" as Beyoncé so aptly put it. As some of you mentioned upthread, she really does have a love affair with money and comes from a hardcore capitalist family. Something about her has always rubbed me the wrong way, but I don't question her abilities as a performer. The "Single Ladies" clip is still as impressive as the first time I viewed it.
― Call on me (Spinspin Sugah), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 00:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Beyonce recently fired her father as her manager after all these years. Also, Latoya stated that she is on civil terms with Kelly and Beyonce. I'm not saying Beyonce is trying to reform, but for someone who is known to have a hard, capitalist shell there has to be some chinks in her armor.
Either that or she is a very calculating businesswoman. Then again, did any of us cared when a male artists like Jay-Z dismantled Roc-a-Fella?
I know I didn't. A matter of fact, I felt like Jay-Z (like Beyonce) know when to jump ship at the right time.
― lilsoulbrother, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 00:17 (thirteen years ago) link
whole lot of people ARE butthurt about how Jay did the Roc or disappointed in how he handled it though
― some dude, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 00:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh I know the hip hop world hates it. I was talking about "us" specifically on ILM.
― lilsoulbrother, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 00:19 (thirteen years ago) link
wow.
― Call on me (Spinspin Sugah), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 00:21 (thirteen years ago) link
did any of us cared when a male artists like Jay-Z dismantled Roc-a-Fella?
I did!
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 03:33 (thirteen years ago) link
What a surprise Switch did something similar for Christina Aguilera for Bionic. The instrumentals are essentially the same:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ2niKaeW74
― lilsoulbrother, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 04:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Dion doesn't know what camp is -- she married an septuagenarian with the foulest mullet ever created.
and let's not forget her anne geddes calendar
― boehner und der club of gore (donna rouge), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 04:33 (thirteen years ago) link
That X-tina cover reminds me of this one Mega Man game where after you defeat a boss Mega Man is standing there and half of him is see-through robot circuitry.
Also, yay Beyonce! I've had a thing for her since the first time I heard Destiny's Child, and it's definitely not going away w this song.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 04:38 (thirteen years ago) link
This is a straight up banger but I hope the final version cuts the bit where Beyonce appears to wander off in a different direction before remembering where she is and what she's supposed to be doing.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 07:29 (thirteen years ago) link
this is brilliant
― teledyldonix, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 07:36 (thirteen years ago) link
and by afaict equating just the snare drum pattern with the entire "beat" (i.e. all of the instrumentation) you're either willfully bending the truth or demonstrating an inability to tell the difference
"All of the instrumentation" isn't actually the beat though, the beat IS the snare drum pattern and the other percussive noises around it, and it's there in its entirety.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 10:13 (thirteen years ago) link
I was using "the beat" in a modern hip hop parlance where it means "the instrumental track" and not "the percussion."
― some dude, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 11:51 (thirteen years ago) link
In which case telling someone they're "either willfully bending the truth or demonstrating an inability to tell the difference" is kind of a dick move when what they were saying was technically correct.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 11:54 (thirteen years ago) link
(Fwiw I don't really care about the concept of "riddimification" and don't think it's really applicable here)
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 11:59 (thirteen years ago) link
I am perplexed by this tune. If tune it be called. Beyonce went to more effort on her "In The Club" "riddim" cut and didn't even release that.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 12:53 (thirteen years ago) link
it still hasn't quite settled for me, i must admit - i'm feeling the energy and the yelling, i don't remotely mind the lack of tune, but it does make me want to listen to princess nyah instead
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 12:55 (thirteen years ago) link
I think the decision to get rid of Afrojack's "uh uh uh uhhhhh" hook but not replace it with much maybe was flawed, but then the first few listens I thought "Never Leave You" was too sparse too.
Beyonce already has proven she can do yelling in fine form time and time again, at this stage I'm not certain I can see what the yelling amounts to here.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Surely this isn't particularly surprising to anyone that's heard Ring The Alarm or Single Ladies? It's a superior call-to-arms ladies banger than Single Ladies certainly.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Also this is still the demo we're listening to, right?
okay I am in love with "Bobblehead", how did I miss this
oh right, most of the singles from that album were terrible and I never listened to it
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:11 (thirteen years ago) link
It's a superior call-to-arms ladies banger than Single Ladies certainly.
On what criterion? I dunno, whether you like it or not Single Ladies is basically the "call-to-arms ladies banger" of the past 5 years.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:15 (thirteen years ago) link
well, it certainly raises the "call to arms" stakes by using what sounds like a marching band drum cadence as a foundational beat
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:17 (thirteen years ago) link
I think the decision to get rid of Afrojack's "uh uh uh uhhhhh" hook but not replace it with much
yeah i definitely miss it (didn't really know how to describe it though, "uh uh uh uhhhh" will do!)
the radio version's emerged, it's much fuller-sounding
this is definitely better than "single ladies" which may be a pop cultural monolith but is only an average song
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:18 (thirteen years ago) link
dan, the other track off the xtina album you should hear is "monday morning" - glorious new wave amazingness, bafflingly also relegated to bonus track status
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRNjMGraUZM
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:19 (thirteen years ago) link
that picture is weird -- it looks like they've extended her face well beyond the confines of her face
― thomp, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:24 (thirteen years ago) link
re: "Bobblehead", there's some more Major Lazer connection going on here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHZEtGS9XFo
(obv not nearly as connected as "Girls"/"Pon De Floor")
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:30 (thirteen years ago) link
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― Matt DC, Wednesday, April 20, 2011 7:54 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
well, i was talking to The Lex, who i feel i can safely assume was speaking in the same terms as i was. and anyway DJP already poked an actual hole in my argument and i'd dropped it, so i'm not really interested in hashing it out further just because you decided to bring it up again.
― some dude, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah but it's had years to grow into that role (and in fact managed it in months). It didn't have that status 48hrs after leaking, in fact there was a general underwhelmed shrug when it first emerged. See how this new one fares after several months of being caned on dancefloors everywhere. I already like it more than Single Ladies (which I like but don't love).
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:43 (thirteen years ago) link
eh, I don't know about all that; it seemed to me that around these parts, the instant a lot of women heard it they went "OMG ANTHEM PUT A RING ON IT FUCK YEAH" and sprained their wrists doing that hand-flick move from the video
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah I was mostly talking about people on the internet, not the real world (where this new one hasn't actually impacted yet).
I'm not betting against that happening now either. I mean the worst I could say is that she's kinda cynically going for exactly the same effect but that's not to say it won't work.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:51 (thirteen years ago) link
"Single Ladies" definitely didn't seem immediately like it was going to be as HUGE as it was -- "If I Were A Boy" seemed to get more promotion and discussion initially and then when the "Single Ladies" video dropped that really solidified it as a smash.
― some dude, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 13:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Were they released simultaneously?
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 14:01 (thirteen years ago) link
(lol I could look that up)
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 14:03 (thirteen years ago) link
"i was a boy" was first by a small margin iirc
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 20 April 2011 14:04 (thirteen years ago) link