To me, Filth Pig was always a massive misread by Al and co of what people were exactly finding appealing about the increasing metallification of Ministry. To my ears, it stripped the last remaining things out of the sound that I still enjoyed, and I found it dreary, plodding and joyless.
I think they found a bit of that again right near the end, but by then almost everyone had tuned out (from the looks of those numbers).
― Sean Carruthers, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Hate the fuck out of filth pig, which ive ranted about somewhere around here
― broke my o_O face o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:32 (thirteen years ago) link
I felt texturally they were just turning into a big mushy evil-sounding blouse of a band; when I really liked them, they had a killer crispness and precision in their sound and arrangements that they slowly worked out of their sound in favor of increasing amounts of feedback. It just all turned into an amorphous blob of sound that still sounded vaguely mean and evil but didn't have nearly the punch of even their wimpy synth-pop stuff.
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, I can kind of dig "NWO" because of the drums but the way the rest of the song works is just not my type of thing; there's also way too much stasis given what the foundational beat of the song is.
"Jesus Built My Hotrod" OTOH just works, I think because it's faster and the distortion on the guitar is brighter with more bite and less sludge.
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:39 (thirteen years ago) link
(in summation, I was having doubts as of A Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Tase but really Psalm 69 is when they just started flat-out sucking hardcore; Filth Pig was just confirmation)
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Can I just say "You have been found guilty of commerce with the devil!"
― kkvgz, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i was still down with psalm 69, so filth pig was like a big fart in the pillow moment for me
― broke my o_O face o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link
lol actually this reminds me, did you ever get back on the NIN wagon?
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link
While there'http://blog.devstone.com/images/emote_ellipsis.gifouple bad tracks on Psalm 69, to me there's just some tracks that totally kill. Like Just One Fix, and Scarecrow along with Jesus Built my Hotrod, and NWO
― allmypulp, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:49 (thirteen years ago) link
You're lying through your teeth.
― kkvgz, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:52 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah NIN pretty much dead to me
― broke my o_O face o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:52 (thirteen years ago) link
You're lying through your teeth..
I strongly recommend the Year Zero remix album, if only for this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky5LNAL12mI
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 15:59 (thirteen years ago) link
so watch yourself, and watch what you say, they'll all die
― allmypulp, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link
interesting thread - didnt we have a Filth Pig one?I find Filth Pig has aged relatively well and could now be seen as proto-sludge. The Fall, Brick Windows, Lava and especially the Dylan cover are definitely keepers.
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link
the dylan cover was great
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 20:53 (thirteen years ago) link
haha like half the initial ilx search results for "filth pig" are me hating on it
― broke my o_O face o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link
it's a bag of sick masquerading as an album
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link
the other half of the results are you saying "are you sure you didnt spell psalm 69 wrong" so
― broke my o_O face o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link
i cant trust dan on this subject if he hates psalm 69 and thinks the rot set in earlier
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
ha
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 21:00 (thirteen years ago) link
not sure of y'all already knowthere's a ministry documentary fresh outit's like ministry but also with mad heroin and bullet-proof vests
― the arching beast limb vulva singing upside down and backwards (jdchurchill), Thursday, 21 April 2011 04:17 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.fixtheministrymovie.com/
― the arching beast limb vulva singing upside down and backwards (jdchurchill), Thursday, 21 April 2011 04:19 (thirteen years ago) link
ok haha i am listening through the ministry catalog in order to make my wedding playlist (yeah i know) and guys. thieves is so so good.
― The Band Perry is the drummer for Gay Dad (jjjusten), Thursday, 28 April 2011 05:57 (thirteen years ago) link
also before i look like i am having some sort of rivethead prom for my wedding, this isnt making the cut but still
fuck
it makes me all teenagery
― The Band Perry is the drummer for Gay Dad (jjjusten), Thursday, 28 April 2011 05:59 (thirteen years ago) link
best use of a drill sample outside of maybe that slapshot album no one else in the world likes
― The Band Perry is the drummer for Gay Dad (jjjusten), Thursday, 28 April 2011 06:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Give in to your past.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 28 April 2011 06:02 (thirteen years ago) link
i would say what i picked but i cant ruin dans special day
― The Band Perry is the drummer for Gay Dad (jjjusten), Thursday, 28 April 2011 06:10 (thirteen years ago) link
if you picked "Cannibal Song" I will cut you on your wedding day
― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Friday, 29 April 2011 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Throw Dan in a celll-llll-llll...
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 29 April 2011 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I am listening to this again to see if I still hate it and so far all signs point towards YES
It's proto-Filth Pig, only even more static and boring. GOD was way better at this type of thing.
― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Friday, 29 April 2011 22:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Our own xhuxk does some spelunking.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
"Then, two years later, with barbarian-come-lately mastermind Al Jourgensen seemingly inspired by certain big and black swine-fornicating post-hardcore outfits from the onetime Hog Butcher of the World..."
nice piece. enjoyed the summaries and dot-connecting, both for stuff i know and love (killing joke! butthole surfers! voivod!) and artists that are less familiar to me.
kind of funny/odd that he hints at big black's (i think obvious) influence on ministry's transformation, but doesn't devote an entry to them. rolands need love, too.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
Two points:
1) I wouldn't call Land and Mind "interchangeable" at all. The songs on the former are much more simplistic (and, yes, Big Black-esque); the latter features real live human drummers, blatant Killing Joke imitations and a general increase in structural complexity.
2) New Rigor Mortis album this year, recorded at Jourgensen's studio with the full original lineup! I am excited.
― 誤訳侮辱, Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
How is "Burning Inside" more structurally complex than "Stigmata"?
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
id say they arent interchangable, but mostly because of the shift from keys/samples/drum machine to geetars/drumming as musical focus
― Thu'um gang (jjjusten), Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:03 (twelve years ago) link
if it wasnt for land of rape and honey, my favorite ministry album would prob be Rabies by Skinny Puppy when I really think about it
― Thu'um gang (jjjusten), Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:05 (twelve years ago) link
oh duh wait never mind, twitch exists. lol @ me
― Thu'um gang (jjjusten), Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:08 (twelve years ago) link
^^^ unsurprisingly I think jjj is OTM
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:21 (twelve years ago) link
it's not like he was writing different types of songs, he was just using different types of instruments
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:22 (twelve years ago) link
still don't think executive slacks get enough cred/love as far as american industrorock pioneering goes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zHsJZTZo5o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AV7LcUM2RM
― scott seward, Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
and they went jockrock by 1986. and started wearing mirror shades.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIaYZi4e5TY
― scott seward, Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
wish i still owned all their albums. i think i had everything they ever put out. i better go buy them again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srmoSEs7GH0
― scott seward, Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
btw listening to Mind... in its entirety for the first time in years and the idea that droning on six minutes instead of four is "a general increase in structural complexity" is incredibly funny
― robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2012 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
Love "Mind."
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 23 February 2012 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
12" Singles > Twitch > LORAH > With Sympathy > Mind > everything else
― robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2012 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.davidbergman.net/blogpics/20080501_Ministry_sm_0145.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 23 February 2012 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
my favorite ministry album would prob be Rabies by Skinny Puppy when I really think about it
Says more about the quality of Skinny Puppy's worst album etc
― Aunt Acid and the Gaviscons (aldo), Thursday, 23 February 2012 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
Never liked Ministry AT ALL but recently really really got into Twitch
― Not only dermatologists hate her (James Morrison), Thursday, 23 February 2012 22:53 (twelve years ago) link
ya Twitch is bad ass
― robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2012 22:58 (twelve years ago) link