Ministry. S&D.

At the time I had every Ministry release, and when Filth Pig came out I was just sorely disappointing. It's not as if I was expecting another Land of Rape and Honey, but when I listened to it it felt like the look on my dog's face after he got neutered.

I'm listening to "The Fall" again to see if I still hate it

about 20 seconds in, my answer is "no, but it certainly isn't anything special"

S: "the nature of love" (cruelty mix). brutal

1:30 in, yeah this just sucks

"The Nature of Love" OTOH is and always will be fucking great

To me, Filth Pig was always a massive misread by Al and co of what people were exactly finding appealing about the increasing metallification of Ministry. To my ears, it stripped the last remaining things out of the sound that I still enjoyed, and I found it dreary, plodding and joyless.

I think they found a bit of that again right near the end, but by then almost everyone had tuned out (from the looks of those numbers).

Hate the fuck out of filth pig, which ive ranted about somewhere around here

I felt texturally they were just turning into a big mushy evil-sounding blouse of a band; when I really liked them, they had a killer crispness and precision in their sound and arrangements that they slowly worked out of their sound in favor of increasing amounts of feedback. It just all turned into an amorphous blob of sound that still sounded vaguely mean and evil but didn't have nearly the punch of even their wimpy synth-pop stuff.

I mean, I can kind of dig "NWO" because of the drums but the way the rest of the song works is just not my type of thing; there's also way too much stasis given what the foundational beat of the song is.

"Jesus Built My Hotrod" OTOH just works, I think because it's faster and the distortion on the guitar is brighter with more bite and less sludge.

(in summation, I was having doubts as of A Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Tase but really Psalm 69 is when they just started flat-out sucking hardcore; Filth Pig was just confirmation)

Can I just say "You have been found guilty of commerce with the devil!"

yeah i was still down with psalm 69, so filth pig was like a big fart in the pillow moment for me

lol actually this reminds me, did you ever get back on the NIN wagon?

While there'http://blog.devstone.com/images/emote_ellipsis.gifouple bad tracks on Psalm 69, to me there's just some tracks that totally kill. Like Just One Fix, and Scarecrow along with Jesus Built my Hotrod, and NWO

You're lying through your teeth.

yeah NIN pretty much dead to me

You're lying through your teeth..

I strongly recommend the Year Zero remix album, if only for this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky5LNAL12mI

so watch yourself, and watch what you say, they'll all die

interesting thread - didnt we have a Filth Pig one?
I find Filth Pig has aged relatively well and could now be seen as proto-sludge. The Fall, Brick Windows, Lava and especially the Dylan cover are definitely keepers.

the dylan cover was great

haha like half the initial ilx search results for "filth pig" are me hating on it

it's a bag of sick masquerading as an album

the other half of the results are you saying "are you sure you didnt spell psalm 69 wrong" so

i cant trust dan on this subject if he hates psalm 69 and thinks the rot set in earlier

ha

not sure of y'all already know
there's a ministry documentary fresh out
it's like ministry but also with mad heroin and bullet-proof vests

http://www.fixtheministrymovie.com/

ok haha i am listening through the ministry catalog in order to make my wedding playlist (yeah i know) and guys. thieves is so so good.

also before i look like i am having some sort of rivethead prom for my wedding, this isnt making the cut but still

fuck

it makes me all teenagery

best use of a drill sample outside of maybe that slapshot album no one else in the world likes

Give in to your past.

i would say what i picked but i cant ruin dans special day

if you picked "Cannibal Song" I will cut you on your wedding day

Throw Dan in a celll-llll-llll...

I am listening to this again to see if I still hate it and so far all signs point towards YES

It's proto-Filth Pig, only even more static and boring. GOD was way better at this type of thing.

Our own xhuxk does some spelunking.

"Then, two years later, with barbarian-come-lately mastermind Al Jourgensen seemingly inspired by certain big and black swine-fornicating post-hardcore outfits from the onetime Hog Butcher of the World..."

nice piece. enjoyed the summaries and dot-connecting, both for stuff i know and love (killing joke! butthole surfers! voivod!) and artists that are less familiar to me.

kind of funny/odd that he hints at big black's (i think obvious) influence on ministry's transformation, but doesn't devote an entry to them. rolands need love, too.

Two points:

1) I wouldn't call Land and Mind "interchangeable" at all. The songs on the former are much more simplistic (and, yes, Big Black-esque); the latter features real live human drummers, blatant Killing Joke imitations and a general increase in structural complexity.

2) New Rigor Mortis album this year, recorded at Jourgensen's studio with the full original lineup! I am excited.

How is "Burning Inside" more structurally complex than "Stigmata"?

id say they arent interchangable, but mostly because of the shift from keys/samples/drum machine to geetars/drumming as musical focus

if it wasnt for land of rape and honey, my favorite ministry album would prob be Rabies by Skinny Puppy when I really think about it

oh duh wait never mind, twitch exists. lol @ me

^^^ unsurprisingly I think jjj is OTM

it's not like he was writing different types of songs, he was just using different types of instruments

still don't think executive slacks get enough cred/love as far as american industrorock pioneering goes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zHsJZTZo5o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AV7LcUM2RM

and they went jockrock by 1986. and started wearing mirror shades.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIaYZi4e5TY

wish i still owned all their albums. i think i had everything they ever put out. i better go buy them again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srmoSEs7GH0

btw listening to Mind... in its entirety for the first time in years and the idea that droning on six minutes instead of four is "a general increase in structural complexity" is incredibly funny

Love "Mind."