I'm just confused is all. Iirc, nothing I said was offensive or inflammatory.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 7 April 2011 22:06 (thirteen years ago) link
yes it was actually
I don't really know what is more infuriating:
- watching the social construct of hip-hop culture equated with the larger social construct of the African-American community- watching a social attitude within that community get linked especially to both that social construct and that genetic group, even though it also exists in most every (if not every, no qualifiers) other ethnic social construct in the country- as a member of that community, getting relegated to invisible man status by the asshole making pronouncements about me
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Thursday, 7 April 2011 22:08 (thirteen years ago) link
like, there are plenty of ways to talk about homophobia in hip-hop without making a "not to be all about race, but it bums me out that this is what black people do" comment that even five seconds of thought could have led you to
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Thursday, 7 April 2011 22:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Okay, its just been on my mind because I was having dinner with this weekend with a friend that lectures on these very topics and she was filling me in on the long history of homophobia in the African-American community. Iirc, my posts above clarified that homophobes were found in all sorts of groups!
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 7 April 2011 22:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, my post came from a genuince place, whether it came out that way or not. I had a legitimate discussion about this the other night and I've been thinking about it since.
what does a "long history of homophobia" even look like
― bernard snowy, Thursday, 7 April 2011 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link
America, basically
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Thursday, 7 April 2011 22:12 (thirteen years ago) link
ya I was gonna sayseems like it would be basically indistinguishable from a "long history of living in a nation where homosexuality is criminalized/otherwise not tolerated"
― bernard snowy, Thursday, 7 April 2011 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Alright, I was trying to bring up what I thought was a valid discussion in relation to the Mister Cee incident and this topic in general, apparently I framed it horribly. I'm sorry.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 7 April 2011 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link
we're all sorry :)
― bernard snowy, Thursday, 7 April 2011 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link
I am a White Lesbian Rapper. I just Finished my first song Touche'D. I am working with Matt Dr. Fink Formerly of Prince. He is helping me and we are writting beats together. I however maintain my own spacing and aranging or my lyrics. My second song is going to be callled Fine Like Wine.Touche'D talk about a girl I was once close to and how shes acting shady on me now "So When are you gonna come and see me HU? when youve filled you girlfriend quota? Travled all over the world but Minnesota? Dont matter if I say pop or soda... Dont matter if you say Hella or really cuz years from now Im still gonna be me. Only differance is you might not see me cuz when you cant have me sure wanna be with me... no wanna be seen with me? better look in the mirror before you turn Touche'D ... Touche' Lady , take a hit flip the script and become slim shady.. dont matter if your dating a B**ch or a ladie cuz when you wanna ask me out im gonna say maybe"Sone of the topics I talk about on my upcoming CD White Lesbian Rapper will be Lesbian topics such as: Hurt by ex gfs, a song about Jeeps (popular gay automobile), lesbian trends such as Jocks and abercrombie and Fitch jeans, with girls in pony tails, being broke, kinky cop sex, complation of naming of old school song titles talking about all the songs that remind you of one person from back in the day.You may email me at Crookedluv✧✧✧@a✧✧.c✧✧ for more info― Alicia Leafgreen, Wednesday, April 19, 2006 1:51 PM (4 years ago)
Touche'D talk about a girl I was once close to and how shes acting shady on me now "So When are you gonna come and see me HU? when youve filled you girlfriend quota? Travled all over the world but Minnesota? Dont matter if I say pop or soda... Dont matter if you say Hella or really cuz years from now Im still gonna be me. Only differance is you might not see me cuz when you cant have me sure wanna be with me... no wanna be seen with me? better look in the mirror before you turn Touche'D ... Touche' Lady , take a hit flip the script and become slim shady.. dont matter if your dating a B**ch or a ladie cuz when you wanna ask me out im gonna say maybe"
Sone of the topics I talk about on my upcoming CD White Lesbian Rapper will be Lesbian topics such as: Hurt by ex gfs, a song about Jeeps (popular gay automobile), lesbian trends such as Jocks and abercrombie and Fitch jeans, with girls in pony tails, being broke, kinky cop sex, complation of naming of old school song titles talking about all the songs that remind you of one person from back in the day.
You may email me at Crookedluv✧✧✧@a✧✧.c✧✧ for more info
― Alicia Leafgreen, Wednesday, April 19, 2006 1:51 PM (4 years ago)
slept on post
― buzza, Thursday, 7 April 2011 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link
I told a friend a few months ago to perform an experiment: imagine listening to songs, 97% of which are not written by, for, or to you.
― Hey Look More Than Five Years Has Passed And You Have A C (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 April 2011 22:15 (thirteen years ago) link
"a song about Jeeps (popular gay automobile)"lmfao
― bernard snowy, Thursday, 7 April 2011 22:15 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm just bummed because I truly meant this from a good place and I'm catching a lot of flak, when other posters have spouted a lot of intentionally hateful stuff without this much abuse for it.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 7 April 2011 22:16 (thirteen years ago) link
eh, I dunno what to tell you — when life gives you lemons... don't make it about race
― bernard snowy, Thursday, 7 April 2011 22:16 (thirteen years ago) link
this is probably pertinent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lJoabhPLDU
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 7 April 2011 22:17 (thirteen years ago) link
I think you meant to say "probably excellent"
― bernard snowy, Thursday, 7 April 2011 22:18 (thirteen years ago) link
this board has a long sad history of jonophobia, but at this point I don't know if there's anything any one of us can do about it, it's a pretty institutionalized mentality
― ℯℳℴ ❤\(◕~◕✿ (some dude), Thursday, 7 April 2011 22:18 (thirteen years ago) link
free mr. cee
― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 7 April 2011 22:19 (thirteen years ago) link
WTF dude?
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 7 April 2011 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link
JOKES BRUV
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 7 April 2011 22:23 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean jeez
"We're going to make fun of you for taking things too personally, but then we're going to keep addressing you specifically by name."
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 7 April 2011 22:24 (thirteen years ago) link
jon if you make an authoritative claim that a group of people has an ingrained cultural attitude and then say, "don't ask me to back up what i'm saying at all" and then act all victimized when others take offense at your generalization...i mean.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 7 April 2011 22:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Okay, I apologize again for the way it was framed.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 7 April 2011 22:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I would like to know when I pissed in some dude's cornflakes though, he really seems to have it in for me.
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 7 April 2011 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link
it was such a mild zing, clearly kindly intentioned!
― horseshoe, Thursday, 7 April 2011 22:37 (thirteen years ago) link
jon, I like you: go get a drink.
― Hey Look More Than Five Years Has Passed And You Have A C (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 April 2011 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link
that's the weirdest drinking game ever, Alfred
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Thursday, 7 April 2011 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link
what if I throw in karaoke?
― Hey Look More Than Five Years Has Passed And You Have A C (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 April 2011 22:42 (thirteen years ago) link
well then it just becomes awesome
drinking + karaoke = guaranteed good time
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Thursday, 7 April 2011 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Drinkoke
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 April 2011 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Karakinky.
― Hey Look More Than Five Years Has Passed And You Have A C (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 April 2011 22:57 (thirteen years ago) link
why is that lil b song pertinent?
― Bleeqwot the Chef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 April 2011 22:57 (thirteen years ago) link
lil b plays with homophobia in hip hop, especially with his (fake) group called bitch mob, who put out a new song today
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 7 April 2011 23:01 (thirteen years ago) link
other than the fact the thing is called bitch mob, it was just all about getting blowjobs from women....i guess outside of calling himself a bitch sometimes i don't really see how he's different from like any other rapper
― Bleeqwot the Chef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 April 2011 23:05 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl6Mf4yTm7A
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Thursday, 7 April 2011 23:06 (thirteen years ago) link
I get what you're driving at, but I don't listen to music to "relate" or "identify" with the performers or subjects.
― jaymc, Thursday, 7 April 2011 23:07 (thirteen years ago) link
huh lil b wrote a song based on frogbs' college radio show
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 7 April 2011 23:08 (thirteen years ago) link
lol
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Thursday, 7 April 2011 23:10 (thirteen years ago) link
My point, though, is I settled years earlier on your approach because of what I noticed.
― Hey Look More Than Five Years Has Passed And You Have A C (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 April 2011 23:13 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost
yeah rev but that song title is a little bit different thing imo than the one j0rdy posted
― Bleeqwot the Chef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 April 2011 23:18 (thirteen years ago) link
i guess outside of calling himself a bitch sometimes i don't really see how he's different from like any other rapper
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Thursday, 7 April 2011 23:20 (thirteen years ago) link
thank you j0rdan and horseshoe for pointing out that i was not attacking jon and just joking around. don't know how many times i have to tell dude on his threads about everybody hating him that i don't hate him but eh go fig.
― ℯℳℴ ❤\(◕~◕✿ (some dude), Friday, 8 April 2011 01:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I know about as little about being gay as I do about being hip-hip. Sorry guys, I'll drop it.
― scissorlocks and the three bears (Eric H.), Friday, 8 April 2011 01:17 (thirteen years ago) link
didnt someone already do some kind of statistical analysis that suggested that homophobia tied more closely to level of religion than race in any meaningful way
i mean i know you cant tell who was raised christian by looking at a twitpic the way you can tell if a twitterer is black butalso black ppl are on twitter to a larger degree than white ppl iircand hip hop regardless of race tends to attract ppl into a hypermasculine mode of thinkingand of course homophobic white ppl seem to have a tendency to make it about their oppression, i.e. the pc police dont let me say x any more, rather than saying things outright
i dunno there are lots of things w/ jon's post that seem off to me, in addition to what djp already listed
― timbo slice (D-40), Friday, 8 April 2011 01:23 (thirteen years ago) link
to be honest jon i think what went thru a lot of ppl's heads when you brought it up that way was, 'wtf didnt we already do this' because back when prop whatever it was in cali passed this exact same discussion shot around every message board & blog discussion remotely related to politics, so bringing it up again wasnt just wrong on its face, but old news too
― timbo slice (D-40), Friday, 8 April 2011 01:25 (thirteen years ago) link
also when i did a #mrcee search i wasn't bombarded w/ an onslaught of homophobia, and it wasn't virulent homophobia either that you see from, for instance, religious white ppl -- i even saw a few people too that said "the point is not that it was a dude"
― J0rdan S., Friday, 8 April 2011 01:27 (thirteen years ago) link
― timbo slice (D-40), Thursday, April 7, 2011 9:25 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
this was mainly my issue
basically american culture is homophobic period & trying to dice it up into little groups really doesnt seem pertinent
― timbo slice (D-40), Friday, 8 April 2011 01:27 (thirteen years ago) link