Ok . MORE Arthur Russell (But This Is Great)

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I've been trying to track down Tower of Meaning, 24-24, and some more of his stuff with Zummo (I only have Experimenting With Household Chemicals.) Anyone on slsk/want to arrange a trade by mail?

stephen morris (stephen morris), Thursday, 9 June 2005 23:29 (twenty years ago)

that article is awkwardly written and a little tired, but HE certanily isn't, he's great! haven't listened to much World of Echo yet. My favorite song of his right now is probably Another Thought. i used to love it when he talked about love etc. but now I love it when he talks about the ocean.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 9 June 2005 23:42 (twenty years ago)

what's on Tower of Meaning?

am i the only one that has (has heard) Instrumentals? it's trés boring

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 10 June 2005 00:16 (twenty years ago)

yeah i have that jaXon. and i agree.

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 10 June 2005 00:18 (twenty years ago)

did you finally get "24 24 music" from dan? is it fantastic? is there a lot of stuff that didn't make it to World of?

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 10 June 2005 00:20 (twenty years ago)

no :( i never got it. hey have you heard that tiger stripes 12"? its siano but russells fingerprints are all over it.

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 10 June 2005 00:22 (twenty years ago)

I bet I'd love "Instrumentals", I LOVE boring music

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Friday, 10 June 2005 02:02 (twenty years ago)

while at the emp, i learned that tim lawrence, who wrote love saves the day. is current working on a russell biog.

strng hlkngtn, Friday, 10 June 2005 03:45 (twenty years ago)

I didn't remember that, sorry.

I think one of the pieces on instrumentals is incredibly beautiful. The rest of it isn't nearly as interesting. You know the one, if you've heard it.

There's absolutely a few cool cuts on 24-24 that didn't make it to World of, and remember that the versions of World Of are the remixes, right? The Francois K version of Go Bang vs. the 24-24 version. I have to check that these are different. I recall the album versions being looser. But there's 1 song that totally ROCKS. I'll computerize and post it sometime soon.

Don't forget to aim yr slsk or actual shopping tools at the Loft box-set for it's original version of Is It All Over My Face, recorded as a 13 min hippie disco jam.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 10 June 2005 05:23 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...
Great interview (courtesy Danny Wang) with Steven Hall, AR's guitarist friend here.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 21:51 (twenty years ago)

I like how Steven Hall says Arthur was incredibly forward, and propositioned him the first time they met.

Confounded (Confounded), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 21:59 (twenty years ago)

Funny how AR hung out at the Ninth Circle bar, which Danny Krivit says (in this same issue of Keep On) was owned by his dad! This Steven Hall interview is definitely one of the best re: Russell I've read yet.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 22:19 (twenty years ago)

ok, i had to yousend this for someone else so i thought i'd post this link here. for me, this is one of the holy grails of arthur's music. i have listened to this so many times and yet i still hear something new each time. it is from a peter zummo lp called 'zummo with an x' and is a 20 minute russell / zummo collaboration featuring trombone, cello, tabla, arthur murmuring and echo. i think this is possibly thee definition of sublime. it is listed on the sleeve as part 4 of 6 and i live in hope that one day the other 5 parts will see the light of day.

http://s41.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1SD7B2S78KM280LKKQATNSBQ22

stirmonster (stirmonster), Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)

I found that record at the WFMU record fair in an "art music/downtown" type crate, and still paid some 25 bucks for it. Really beautiful.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 18 August 2005 12:46 (twenty years ago)

thank you jd!

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:13 (twenty years ago)

omg thanks twitch this is gorgeous

(so did 24-24 ever get a commercial release or what?)

strng hlkngtn, Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:40 (twenty years ago)

nope.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)

seventeen minutes in and LOVING this. sublime is right.

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

thx stirmonster!

wow this is great!

i'ven never heard arthur russell before....is it all this cool? sweet....

Doesn't M@tt He1geson Deserve A Cool, Funny Login Name? (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)

wow matt go buy the world of... RIGHT NOW (nb: may contain upwards of 50% disco)

strng hlkngtn, Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:59 (twenty years ago)

will do....

i ain't scurred of a lil' disco!

Doesn't M@tt He1geson Deserve A Cool, Funny Login Name? (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 18 August 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

late last year, dustygroove had boots of 24-24 music, which is about as close as you can get, i reckon.
not sure of the legal situation reissuing it, but i would think Audika could do something about it. i know they are working on the orchestral stuff right now, along with another project.

Beta (abeta), Thursday, 18 August 2005 14:16 (twenty years ago)

thanks for the track

Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 18 August 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

Stirmonster you roxxx!

Gerard (Gerard), Thursday, 18 August 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)

Cheers Stirmonster! This track is exquisite!

LRJP! (LRJP!), Thursday, 18 August 2005 20:01 (twenty years ago)

Merci, twitch!

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 18 August 2005 21:05 (twenty years ago)

http://s29.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0AOVSL1BZFZ0C23EQZMN8FTJKV

I hope this works, Due to the beatuy of the track posted above i felt inspired. Here is Felix. Tiger Stripes, on sleeping bag records. One truly odd dance song.

Jacobs (LolVStein), Thursday, 18 August 2005 21:20 (twenty years ago)

Who peter zummo? Why don't I know this person? I 've almost finished listening to the song and floor is the only word I can think of. I can only think of 'Soon-To-Be Innocent Fun-Let's See' from world of echoe, that compares.

Jacobs (LolVStein), Thursday, 18 August 2005 21:27 (twenty years ago)

Floored

Jacobs (LolVStein), Thursday, 18 August 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)

Oh man this is gorgeous. Thanks Twitch!

RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 18 August 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)

i'm dying to listen to both tracks right now!!!...i'm going into a conference room!!

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 18 August 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

http://www.timlawrence.info/books/russell.php

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 18 August 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)

More thanks for both tracks. Was into Arthur Russell and Sleeping Bag records way back in the day and it's great to hear it again.

drewo (drewo), Thursday, 18 August 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

So is Russell's "disco" stuff generally preferred to his avant cello, cello+vocals, avant-casio-pop, or other incarnations? I came into him via 'Another Thought' of all places, which is generally similar to 'World of Echo' with a few that fall between the Sleeping Bag and 'Calling Out of Context' sounds. 'World of Echo' is easily amongst my top 5 records all time, out of thousands.

I love it all, really, and it's one of the things that amazes me--he could be considered a genius in numerous (seemingly wholly) disparate scenes/genres. Everything he did seems to have been gold--he even makes the otherwise mediocre rock/pop of the Necessaries shimmer when his keys/voice touch in.

I.M. (I.M.), Thursday, 18 August 2005 22:21 (twenty years ago)

i think his straight in disco stuff is inferior to the rest of his work....but there's that overlap between the disco and avante stuff where he pretty much shines.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 18 August 2005 22:29 (twenty years ago)

I'm really glad Audika has had so much success. The label owner seems like a great guy--he even forwarded a modest little review I did of 'World of Echo' upon its reissue (which I never dared hope for in years prior) to Arthur's family, and then told me that it had touched them. Bring on the instrumentals cello works!

I.M. (I.M.), Thursday, 18 August 2005 22:35 (twenty years ago)

I was pretty floored when AR's dad wrote me last year to request an old Melody Maker interview I had found (I posted about it on some thread here). He must read ILM or know someone who does!

(xpost) Susan, what would you could consider his "straight in disco stuff"?

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 18 August 2005 22:51 (twenty years ago)

Huh. I heard the World of Echo and other dreamy dub cello stuff first and thought it was great. Then I heard Kiss Me Again, Is It All Over My Face, and Tell You (Today) and really nothing tops those for me. I still need to hear the 24 24 Music album though.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 18 August 2005 22:57 (twenty years ago)

Jacobs, thanks for Tiger Stripes! Been wanting to hear it again since I heard it played out at one of Messr. Selzer's parties.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 18 August 2005 23:24 (twenty years ago)

i was thinking "pop your funk" "go bang", and somewhat 'is it all over my face" (which is still a pretty great track)... although those first 2 i believe there were other contributors??

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 18 August 2005 23:29 (twenty years ago)

Oh yeah, Go Bang. I knew I was forgetting one there.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 19 August 2005 00:11 (twenty years ago)

at the risk of repeating myself...but what about the full length version of Kiss Me Again! It just got bootlegged on vinyl, I think, and has appeared on I think at least 2 recent mix CDs, perhaps in response to the fact that it's been so lost, appearing on neither Disco Not Disco or the World of Arthur Russell. It's really drastically different then the 6 minute edit version on Disco Not Disco. They are both wonderful though.

Also, the version of Go Bang most people know is the Francois K mix, which is a bit more sane then the original version of 24-24 Music.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:01 (twenty years ago)

How can one find this 24-24 music is it a full LP, has it seen a CD release. And who is Peter Zummo?

Jacobs (LolVStein), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:04 (twenty years ago)

it's a full LP and has only been bootlegged on vinyl, far as I know, though maybe there's been bootleg CDs.

Peter Zummo can be read about here:

http://www.scaruffi.com/avant/zummo.html

he was a downtown guy hanging out with a bunch of the minimalist types. Interesting to see that Russell appears on his Experimenting with Household Chemicals LP as well, you gonna post that one as well, stirmonster?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:41 (twenty years ago)

Thank you for the information about Zummo. There seems to be a market for a lot of this sort of music, perhaps a small one, but enough people want this sort of music I am surprized reissues take so long in coming.

Jacobs (LolVStein), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:56 (twenty years ago)

I didn't really "get" the whole arthur russell thing until a few months ago, when I was walking home late one night and listening to the optimo psyche-out mix, and the version of "kiss me again" that dan's referring to came on. it was a revelatory moment.

spruce bruce (haitch), Friday, 19 August 2005 04:09 (twenty years ago)

Speaking of, what do y'all think of Polmo Polpo's cover of Kiss Me Again?

http://www.discogs.com/release/397676

gnippiks, Friday, 19 August 2005 04:26 (twenty years ago)

"Tiger Stripes" is...wow!! thk U very much. afraid to listen to zummo track or polp's cover yet. tiger stripes made me think again (sorry) about those talking heads guitars. what is up with that? -i want to know finally. is there a common denom. to both a.r. and byrne's sound...someone else? someone preceding them i don't know about? or is one stealing from the other? not sure why i care...maybe b/c it fits so well with what ar was doing and i REALLY like his stuff but barely have liked t.h.'s stuff. ---- except a few tracks which feature these bouncy keyboard sounding guitars.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 19 August 2005 05:10 (twenty years ago)

the bside to tiger stripes i can't hold you is great too...will dig out and post

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 19 August 2005 05:39 (twenty years ago)

I only have the A side for tiger stripes, I would love to have the flip side. About the Talking Heads, I believe Arthur Russell was on the verge of joinning the band at one point, and David Byrne Did play guitar on Arthur's muisc. Exactly which song I've forgotten. For years I have felt like I should like talking head, and have listened repeatedly to most of their albums with no luck. I just can't seem to like their music. I admire David's promotion of different gobal music, and have like his brazilian classic comp. If someone could explain their music to me maybe....

Jacobs (LolVStein), Friday, 19 August 2005 06:18 (twenty years ago)

If anyone wants this to listen to on-the-go I can Dropbox it. They stopped the download facility on it.

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could someone please YSI the 2017 RA podcast? Many thanks!

Deflatormouse, Thursday, 28 March 2024 00:47 (two years ago)

Here 'tis - https://we.tl/t-E11IknSSZt

Maresn3st, Thursday, 28 March 2024 00:55 (two years ago)

thanks you rule ♥️

Deflatormouse, Thursday, 28 March 2024 00:59 (two years ago)

Something new is coming…

https://x.com/audikarecords/status/1773721038540730775?s=61&t=OIvYKs_vXneO_K6s2BAzdA

I am using your worlds, Friday, 29 March 2024 17:00 (two years ago)

two weeks pass...

Thanks, also Maresn3st thanks for the podcast!

re the xpost new bio and Barbican, Kitty Empire's got good commentary here, mostly on Arthur and the book, hope to see sep thing on Barbican in May:

A secret hero of the dancefloor, the avant garde producer and musician Arthur Russell occupies a strange and silvery slot in the annals of music. He was a low-key cult figure in his lifetime, but one who has been increasingly celebrated. His prodigious output and his refusal to have that work pinned down has, in the decades since his death from Aids-related illness in 1992, birthed a small cottage industry of admiration and exegesis: compilations, reissues, covers albums, biographies and even a film. The Barbican in London has given over a night in May to celebrate Russell’s often confounding, genre-spanning work – and the publication of this latest account.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2024/apr/15/travels-over-feeling-arthur-russell-a-life-richard-king-review-barbican-exhibition-london

dow, Monday, 15 April 2024 20:42 (two years ago)

Barbican event info -

https://www.barbican.org.uk/whats-on/2024/event/travels-over-feeling-the-music-of-arthur-russell

stirmonster, Monday, 15 April 2024 22:32 (two years ago)

Anybody got the new book yet?

Glad it's offering something augmentary to and seemingly not redundant of 'Hold On To Your Dreams' and 'Buddhist Bubblegum'...

Soundslike, Friday, 19 April 2024 03:28 (two years ago)

two months pass...

from Audika:

P.S. - A new Arthur album of previously unreleased live material has been completed. Hoping to have it released before the end of the year.

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Wednesday, 3 July 2024 19:39 (one year ago)

one month passes...

Review of xpost new bio:
https://southwestreview.com/the-kinetic-spell-of-arthur-russell/

dow, Saturday, 3 August 2024 20:37 (one year ago)

Another review, maybe more balanced, as a book review, not just intro to/celebration of AR:
https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v46/n16/ian-penman/nom-de-boom

As I said to friend who sent this link:

Wow! I'm no Penman expert, but this is the best piece of his that I've seen, in terms of focus, insight (re big picture and zoom lens) into the subject and the book itself, incl the challenge of keeping AR himself in sufficient focus w/o reductionism--as somebody who not only contained but extruded multitudes---also when curation of so many rich materials (on the author's part) can seem too fetishy---but overall, seems like it has yet more details that I hadn't seen before, and of course we also have (Professor and party organizer) Tim Lawrence's maybe more on-track bio, and the Wild Combination doc (with DVD extras) etc. for fun comparative studies--and an AR live comp out later this year---thanks again!

So yeah, I want this bio too---let there be Arthur books like there are Dylan books, with still so much AR to be known, incl. (my main interest as with Alex Chilton, Sun Ra, other sidewinders) his music and paths to it.

dow, Wednesday, 7 August 2024 17:33 (one year ago)

All Arthur DJ set recorded at The Barbican, London back in May.

https://soundcloud.com/twitch/jd-twitch-all-arthur-russell-dj-set-live-at-the-barbican-london-250524

stirmonster, Wednesday, 14 August 2024 15:39 (one year ago)

Thanks so much!

dow, Wednesday, 14 August 2024 17:01 (one year ago)

This was a nice surprise. And it made me realise I need to get that Felix record which I’ve somehow overlooked.

I am using your worlds, Thursday, 15 August 2024 07:08 (one year ago)

For me, first 10 minutes often benefits a lot from visual interest---after that, music pulls me in more consistently, w for inst vocal punctuation added to singing and cello rhythms, later some good tiny variations in cello volume, w arco vibrations as well as usual picking etc.---and wau around 24 min. in

Arthur Russell - Some Imaginary Far Away Type Things A.K.A. Lost In The Meshes

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Unedited Video Footage By Phill Niblock
Music by Arthur Russell
Sound Recording: Steve Cellum

Video and Audio recorded on ¾ inch U-matic tape using a single phosphor-tube color camera. Audio additionally recorded onto PCM Digital.

Recorded at Experimental Intermedia Foundation September 22, and October 27, 1985

Music partially contained on the Arthur Russell album “WORLD OF ECHO”, Audika Records.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZdApQYSCIc

dow, Thursday, 15 August 2024 18:30 (one year ago)

& visuals good all the way through, I think---as I get more and more into music---

dow, Thursday, 15 August 2024 18:34 (one year ago)

one month passes...

i'm not sure how i feel about these in the light of the miracle remixes. i mean they're not bad, it just feels kinda wrong to me to stick a 4:4 beat under it

ava (paolo), Friday, 20 September 2024 19:13 (one year ago)

First advance track from Talking Heads box is that b-side version of "Psycho Killer" w Arthur--nice!

dow, Friday, 20 September 2024 19:40 (one year ago)

one month passes...

https://week-end.bandcamp.com/album/kiss-me-again
Kiss Me Again finally gets a reissue!

willem, Thursday, 7 November 2024 06:37 (one year ago)

Dickhead move to effectively make it not available to buy digitally (€999). I hate vinyl-only nonsense.

Soundslike, Thursday, 7 November 2024 13:54 (one year ago)

It must be one of the terms of their licensing agreement with Warner or whoever owns the rights.

Where did Boo Berry go (Craig D.), Thursday, 7 November 2024 14:03 (one year ago)

licensing from majors, especially Warner, is a nightmare. I'm sure this is on them. The majors have been ok with licensing out material for limited vinyl release or physical-only product, but fees associated with a more expansive release probably prohibitive.

dan selzer, Thursday, 7 November 2024 14:42 (one year ago)

it is, or at least was available digitally on itunes for years.

the baseball cap is tempting :)

stirmonster, Thursday, 7 November 2024 20:12 (one year ago)

Managed to order the cap, turned out to be easier than getting an Optimo cap ;)
Bought the 12" too, have got the og Sire release but couldn't resist remaster & liner notes!

willem, Friday, 8 November 2024 09:27 (one year ago)

$50 for the 12" shipped (US)? Insanity.

Soundslike, Saturday, 9 November 2024 01:46 (one year ago)

five months pass...

did anyone else go to the Wild Up performances of 24-24 music in LA? I was underwhelmed except for about 10 min about an hour in when they pulled everything back and let the music drift a bit before building back to a big finish. the rest felt brash and celebratory and lacked the mystery, mixed emotions and oddness of the recorded version

bryan, Sunday, 4 May 2025 15:51 (one year ago)

curious what others thought. the crowd was loving it.

bryan, Sunday, 4 May 2025 15:52 (one year ago)


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