Primer: Bluegrass

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Oh, and "pretty good" was an understatement above, Amateurist. That was an excellent post. I should read a book above the history of bluegrass. Is there one you recommend? (all that I know comes from my father and his friends)

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 15:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Amateurist = OTM. Bluegrass didn't gel as a full-fledged genre until after WWII.

Also, I'm pretty sure Dock Boggs recorded "Oh Death" before the Stanley Brothers. I could be wrong though.

cprek (cprek), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 15:30 (twenty-three years ago)

I think Boggs didn't record "Oh Death" until his rediscovery in the '60s, but then again I'm not sure the Stanley Bros recorded it until they were on King, also in the '60s. The Carter Family recorded it back in the '30s and it's a pretty common song all around.

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 15:44 (twenty-three years ago)

You know I still haven't seen Oh Brother nor heard the soundtrack so I'm entirely oblivious to that phenomenon. I'd sort of like to keep it that way. [/snobbery]

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 15:44 (twenty-three years ago)

blügrass:

http://www.mamut.com/homepages/Norway/3/5/geirjenssen/2002%20n009%2006%20bala%20400b%20pp.jpg

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 17:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Don't forget Reno and Smiley, Jimmy Martin, Jim and Jesse, and Mac Wiseman. They're not quite Monroe/Stanleys/Flatt and Scruggs, but they all put out some damn fine music.

Lee G (Lee G), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 20:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Also search Kenny Baker Plays Bill Monroe which is just astounding (Monroe's on it himself).

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 20:04 (twenty-three years ago)

You know I still haven't seen Oh Brother

Quite apart from the supposed qualities or demerits of the soundtrack (and IMHO, it's pretty good), this is a good Coen Brothers movie. If you liked Big Liebowski, you'll probably like this one too.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 20:19 (twenty-three years ago)

What if I can't remember a thing from The Big Lebowski?

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 20:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, that's not necessarily bad. I don't remember much from it either, except that I laughed a lot.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 20:32 (twenty-three years ago)

nine years pass...

hey there - for those not aware, I am going through some weird shit right now where the most soothing music is bluegrass, particularly well-produced stuff from the mid-60s onwards. unfortunately, there is not a lot of this stuff on filesharing sites (afaict). If anyone has some shit they can share with me I would really appreciate it thx

If I was a carpenter, and you were a douchebag (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 17:43 (thirteen years ago)

shakey,
do you listen to records?
i have some records i can send you, if you are not particular about what you receive. lots of obscure-but-good seventies bluegrass records taking up room in my house.

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 22:30 (thirteen years ago)

I do!
that is exceptionally generous of you to offer

If I was a carpenter, and you were a douchebag (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 22:34 (thirteen years ago)

you can send me your address -- dr.carl.sagan at gmail
and i will get some stuff out to you probably tomorrow!

anything to help a man in his time of need, besides it helps me get stuff out of the house.

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 22:39 (thirteen years ago)

try this: Bill's Blog
This website hasn't been updated in a while, but I found some good stuff on it.

banjoboy, Thursday, 20 December 2012 06:51 (thirteen years ago)

whoops. didn't do it right. here's a second try: Bill's Blog

banjoboy, Thursday, 20 December 2012 06:54 (thirteen years ago)

here, let me just type it: http://marines12.blogspot.com. sorry for all these mistakes.

banjoboy, Thursday, 20 December 2012 06:55 (thirteen years ago)

Don't think he's mentioned on this thread, but check out John Duffy and his Country Gentlemen. Not mindblowing or trailblazing, but so good...

m0stlyClean, Friday, 21 December 2012 00:01 (thirteen years ago)

many thx banjoboy!!!

If I was a carpenter, and you were a douchebag (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 21 December 2012 00:05 (thirteen years ago)

broken links tho :(

If I was a carpenter, and you were a douchebag (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 21 December 2012 00:07 (thirteen years ago)

one month passes...

got ian's records, quite a goldmine. I'd never heard of a single one of these people.

Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 28 January 2013 22:40 (thirteen years ago)

one month passes...

this is awesome
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_t50zUQ3H4

Donkamole Marvin (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 23:34 (thirteen years ago)

I don't really know where mountain/hillbilly music ends and bluegrass begins, but how great is this clip of the Dillards with Maggie Peterson on Andy Griffith?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQtXEb7C30o

Everything You Like Sucks, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 23:41 (thirteen years ago)

wow. what an eerie sounding tune to choose

Donkamole Marvin (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 23:48 (thirteen years ago)

"We need a fire against the cold" is some dark shit given this was such a meat and potatoes American sitcom.

Everything You Like Sucks, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 23:50 (thirteen years ago)

both those clips are great!

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 23:53 (thirteen years ago)

I have been watching a lot of Jimmy Martin youtubes...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y-nOKkS-PE

Donkamole Marvin (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 23:56 (thirteen years ago)

three months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn8jgiD7wNM

great fifty-odd minute documentary full of killer jams and passionate hillbillies.

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Friday, 7 June 2013 18:43 (thirteen years ago)

awesome

Bathory Tub Blues (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 June 2013 18:54 (thirteen years ago)

love the dude tuning down his banjo during his solo

Bathory Tub Blues (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 June 2013 18:56 (thirteen years ago)

Jimmy Martin just seems like the coolest chillest bro

Bathory Tub Blues (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 June 2013 19:08 (thirteen years ago)

fun vid.

m0stlyClean, Friday, 7 June 2013 20:52 (thirteen years ago)

Damn, been meaning forever to explore BG properly, or not properly considering the genre outliers mentioned above. Anyway, dumb question -- is proper bluegrass the stuff that would soundtrack a hillbilly chase scene, ie fast tempos, and slower paced stuff falls under old timey?

Ou sont les Sonneywolferines d'antan? (Leee), Saturday, 8 June 2013 01:28 (thirteen years ago)

nah, there's plenty of bluegrass ballads....

m0stlyClean, Saturday, 8 June 2013 03:41 (thirteen years ago)

I just listened to the bluegrass station on Pandora and loved it. Have there been any better anthologies since Amatuerist's post in 2003?

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 8 June 2013 16:14 (thirteen years ago)

bluegrass is (generally) post-war and focuses more on instrumental solos and highly-melodic breaks. old-time music is of an earlier vintage and the musicians tend to play the melody in unison. in bluegrass, the solos are often high-speed variations on the basic melody.

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Saturday, 8 June 2013 19:24 (thirteen years ago)

two years pass...

I've been getting into Mac Wiseman lately, and his discography is...weird. he was possibly the first bluegrass star to stray from the formula and court a mainstream audience — for a brief and occasionally awkward period in the late '50s, his label marketed him as a pop-rock/pop-country singer, although a lot of those sides went unissued until decades later (on Bear Family's Teenage Hangout compilation). there's an interesting article on nodepression about that phase of his career and about how purists have effectively erased his pop-leaning material from history, memorializing him as a bluegrass traditionalist even though he never really was one to begin with. this is good stuff, imho:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN7kR35oxNg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPmsM3p3ELE

rallizes mcguire (unregistered), Sunday, 14 June 2015 01:18 (ten years ago)

his first foray into gospel (on his 1959 LP Beside the Still Waters) is less surprising, but it contains some of his finest vocal performances, with a tasteful lack of the gloopy strings/organs/backup choirs that mar a lot of other country gospel records:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvLbnxBNJxs

rallizes mcguire (unregistered), Sunday, 14 June 2015 01:31 (ten years ago)

Good streaming on Saturday night (and shows are archived for a while, I think): Tuscaloosa Public Radio's "Bama Bluegrass: and "Bluegrass Breakdown" (the second show originates in Nashville). Both got good range and deep stash.
http://apr.org/

dow, Sunday, 14 June 2015 01:59 (ten years ago)

neat!

rallizes mcguire (unregistered), Sunday, 14 June 2015 02:03 (ten years ago)

one year passes...

Bluegrass legend Dr. Ralph Stanley died Thursday night after a battle with skin cancer, according to a Facebook post by his grandson, Nathan Stanley.

Dr. Stanley was 89 years old and a member of the Grand Ole Opry and the Bluegrass Hall of Fame. After receiving an honorary Doctorate of Music from Lincoln Memorial University in 1976 (and another from Yale in 2014), he was known to fans worldwide as "Doctor Ralph."

http://www.tennessean.com/story/entertainment/music/2016/06/23/ralph-stanley-bluegrass-legend-dead-89/86038242/

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 24 June 2016 05:25 (nine years ago)

A Facebook friend posted this. Apropos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjPeeUpdK1U

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 24 June 2016 05:28 (nine years ago)

four years pass...

Got one of those 8 Classic Albums box-CDs of the Stanley Brothers for a great price. Excellent winter driving music. This one feels almost sinister.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seaDfe_mtEE

clemenza, Thursday, 18 February 2021 22:10 (five years ago)

seven months pass...

I learned recently that that extra beat in Clinch Mountain Backstep (above) makes the tune "crooked" - which is kind of a catchall term for tunes that don't quite follow standard form. Usually means an extra bar, extra half bar, extra beat or something like that, but occasionally can be standard pulse/bars but with an odd or offbeat change.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 02:48 (four years ago)


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