Albert Goldman - Classic or Dud?

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Dud, Hack, Buffoon. From the very first chapter of Goldman's book, "Elvis" Goldman spells it out pretty clearly what his slant is. Granted the "King's" life when examined under a scope was bound to be pretty odd compared to some.

Previous posters re Goldman's antipathy towards blacks, southerners, pop-culture etc. is spot on. It was hard to stomach his absurdly lurid descriptions of Elvis sleeping in bed, Elvis eating, Elvis crying at his mothers funeral, Elvis joking with his buddies. It all smacks of some silly pre-existing bias Goldman had against the subject that he chose to write about.

Biographers are not journalists, in that there is no canon that holds them to truthfulness or a documenting of their work. Goldman's book struck some nerve at the time it was published, and got a lot of attention. Not sure why. He was a writer who decided to become a hack, got lucky and capitalized on it.

Didn't read the Lennon book or any others of his after the first one.

Fred Grogan, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

one month passes...
You obviously don't know what antisemitism means. So I'll excuse your stupid comment about Bono's line. What does it have to do with Bono's line? Goldman's hardly worth writing a line about, let alone a song.

love, Sunday, 6 October 2002 17:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dud. I'm all for killing yr idols, but there's a certain line between good natured idol-bashing and plain ol' fashioned hatefulness, and Goldman crossed that line; the very suggestion of even comparing him to Christgau, Marsh, Marcus etc makes my blood boil- no matter what you may think of their writing, at least none of those based their writing on bigotry. And if it's just outright sleaze you're looking for, why take some dead boring old fart's lies second hand instead of making up your own? A bit of creativity please, ppl!

Daniel_Rf, Sunday, 6 October 2002 21:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

one month passes...
GOLDMAN WAS A POMPOUS DICKHEAD.HE MADE HIS LIVING BY GUMMING THE BONES OF FALLEN MEN FAR GREATER THAN HIMSELF. MEN LIKE ELVIS PRESLEY ARE ONE IN A BILLION, MEN LIKE GOLDMAN ARE A DIME A DOZEN.YOU NEED ONLY WALK INTO YOUR LOCAL STAR BUCKS TO SEE THEM ARROGANTLY SIPPING THEIR CAFFE LATTE’.GOLDMAN WAS A MISERABLE BITTER OLD PRICK WITH DEEP FEELINGS OF HIS OWN INADEQUACIES, AND HE HAD TO OVER COMPENSATE BY THUMBING HIS NOSE AT MEN WHO DID FAR MORE WITH THEIR LIVES THAN HE EVER DID. I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AN ELVIS FAN,I ONLY READ GOLDMAN’S “ELVIS-THE LAST 24 HOURS” BECAUSE I HAD NO PREVIOUS KNOWLEDGE OF GOLDMAN’S REPUTATION FOR BEING A WINY LITTLE PISS ANT,SO MAD AT THE WORLD THAT HE HAD TO SYSTEMATICALLY TRY TO POINT OUT THE SKELETONS IN THEIR RESPECTIVE CLOSETS. I ONLY BOUGHT THE BOOK BECAUSE IT HAD TO DO WITH ELVIS,AS I’M SURE MOST PEOPLE DID.SO WHAT GOLDMAN REALLY DID WAS QUITE CHILDISH,HE EXPLOITED THE FAN’S LOVE AND LOYALTY FOR MEN LIKE ELVIS AND USED THAT TO HOOK THEM INTO READING TWO HUNDRED PAGE TEMPER TANTRUM.IN CLOSING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I AM GLAD THAT GOLDMAN,THAT LOUSY SON OF A BITCH, IS DEAD.AND UNLIKE ELVIS WHO PASSED AWAY AND LEFT THIS WORLD HEART BROKEN FROM THE LOSS; WHEN GOLDMAN DIED I LAUGHED MY ASS OFF.I ONLY HOPE THAT GOLDMAN SUFFERED A MISERABLE LINGERING PAIN FULL DEATH THAT HE SO RICHLY DESERVED,AND MAT HE ROT IN HELL FOREVER.

PATRICK BAGDON, Friday, 8 November 2002 12:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

GOLDMAN WAS A POMPOUS DICKHEAD.HE MADE HIS LIVING BY GUMMING THE BONES OF FALLEN MEN FAR GREATER THAN HIMSELF. MEN LIKE ELVIS PRESLEY ARE ONE IN A BILLION, MEN LIKE GOLDMAN ARE A DIME A DOZEN.YOU NEED ONLY WALK INTO YOUR LOCAL STAR BUCKS TO SEE THEM ARROGANTLY SIPPING THEIR CAFFE LATTE’.GOLDMAN WAS A MISERABLE BITTER OLD PRICK WITH DEEP FEELINGS OF HIS OWN INADEQUACIES, AND HE HAD TO OVER COMPENSATE BY THUMBING HIS NOSE AT MEN WHO DID FAR MORE WITH THEIR LIVES THAN HE EVER DID. I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AN ELVIS FAN,I ONLY READ GOLDMAN’S “ELVIS-THE LAST 24 HOURS” BECAUSE I HAD NO PREVIOUS KNOWLEDGE OF GOLDMAN’S REPUTATION FOR BEING A WINY LITTLE PISS ANT,SO MAD AT THE WORLD THAT HE HAD TO SYSTEMATICALLY TRY TO POINT OUT THE SKELETONS IN THEIR RESPECTIVE CLOSETS. I ONLY BOUGHT THE BOOK BECAUSE IT HAD TO DO WITH ELVIS,AS I’M SURE MOST PEOPLE DID.SO WHAT GOLDMAN REALLY DID WAS QUITE CHILDISH,HE EXPLOITED THE FAN’S LOVE AND LOYALTY FOR MEN LIKE ELVIS AND USED THAT TO HOOK THEM INTO READING TWO HUNDRED PAGE TEMPER TANTRUM.IN CLOSING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I AM GLAD THAT GOLDMAN,THAT LOUSY SON OF A BITCH, IS DEAD.AND UNLIKE ELVIS WHO PASSED AWAY AND LEFT THIS WORLD HEART BROKEN FROM THE LOSS; WHEN GOLDMAN DIED I LAUGHED MY ASS OFF.I ONLY HOPE THAT GOLDMAN SUFFERED A MISERABLE LINGERING PAIN FULL DEATH THAT HE SO RICHLY DESERVED,AND MAT HE ROT IN HELL FOREVER.

PATRICK BAGDON, Friday, 8 November 2002 12:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

four years pass...
Have just started on the Lennon biog. So far it reads like Bizarro world Comstock Carabinieri. Nice to know that Lonnie Donegan came from the North of England and that Liverpool didn't fall for any of Larry Parnes' "Elvis clones," the most prominent of which was Billy Fury from, er, Liverpool.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 5 February 2007 10:23 (seventeen years ago) link

(A funny thought came to me over the weekend: Did you ever get through all them Dylan albums?)

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 5 February 2007 10:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Thus far I have reached Planet Waves.

"On a night like theeeeeees"...for some reason it originally came out on Island here. Maybe he liked Bryan Ferry.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 5 February 2007 10:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I got a cheapie "blood on the tracks" CD (the 'millennium album facsimile remaster') and quite liked it.

Oh, yeah I have that "Island" LP. It's very strange seeing Bob Dylan's name on that label.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 5 February 2007 11:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Goldman deserves classic for Disco and Ladies and Gentlemen, Lenny Bruce and dud for the bios. Frankly I found the Lennon to be more boring than provocative, couldn't finish it.

If you read the collected pieces in Freakshow it becomes clear that Goldman didn't much care for rock or the counterculture and took delight in both baiting the hippies and appropriating some of their "gonzo" writing style (though in truth I think Goldman's shtick was derived from Lenny Bruce's confrontational style). This has as much to do with the invective hurled at him from Marcus and Christgau as Goldman's sins again Elvis and St. John. He was a Coulmbia professor writing in mainstream publications like LIfe about the new music and culture with total irrereverance -- not to mention disrespect and occ. contempt-- and compared to that the nascent rock crits were cheerleaders.

The race thing is trickier, in this case I'd say that Goldman opened himself up to charges of racism by refusing to write about black musicians in hushed pious tones. As far as the Sam Phillips anecdote that Matos mentions upthread, it's worth noting that many southerners of that period pronounced/slurred the word "Negro" so it sounded like n****r. I'll never forget being 10 years old and hearing George Wallace talk like that on TV, truly shocking.

Goldman's writing style is undoubtedly over-the-top though I can easily think of far more egregious examples of gonzo prose overkill from the 70s. whatevs, one man's meat is another's poison.

My gaydar is non-existent but Michael D is right on in speculating about Goldman's conflicted sexuality, there are passages in Disco that feel unconsciously ah enthusiastic about some of the goings-on in the backrooms and sidelines.

Last time I flipped through Freak Show I got absorbed by a 1984 piece Goldman did on Michael Jackson -- prescient, eerie.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 5 February 2007 11:51 (seventeen years ago) link

The first twenty pages of the Lennon book where he describes a typical 1979 day in the life are pretty chilling and I suspect pretty near the truth.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 5 February 2007 11:54 (seventeen years ago) link

If you read the collected pieces in Freakshow it becomes clear that Goldman didn't much care for rock or the counterculture and took delight in both baiting the hippies and appropriating some of their "gonzo" writing style (though in truth I think Goldman's shtick was derived from Lenny Bruce's confrontational style). This has as much to do with the invective hurled at him from Marcus and Christgau as Goldman's sins again Elvis and St. John.

Not sure if I understand you correctly: didn't Freakshow predate the Elvis bio by about a decade?

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 5 February 2007 12:10 (seventeen years ago) link

bob and greil had it in for goldman since the 60s is what I meant.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 5 February 2007 12:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't remember Christgau ever saying anything Goldman before the bios. Greil, I don't know. Of course there might be backstage professional jealousies we don't know anything about -- didn't Goldman do some pieces for Esquire around the same time as Christgau?

See maybe I'd be more sympathetic to Goldman if I cared any for Lenny Bruce or gonzo, that shit to me is like the granddaddy of 21C attention-whoredomry, emphasis on "grandaddies" not to mention "whore." Plus the way he found the counterculture beneath him while trying really desperately trying to absorb some of its aristocratic hip makes him seem less like a gadfly than a more venal version of other sixties archetypes like the hip priest or the love-beads-wearing-professor. Or, hell, the swinger.

Also, you'd kinda figure someone who'd been in the South for X amount of time researching a book on Elvis would eventually understand the distinctions between how "Negro" and "n*gg*r" sounds coming out of a Southern mouth.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 5 February 2007 12:43 (seventeen years ago) link

"nigra" is how it came out and you could take it either way.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 5 February 2007 13:31 (seventeen years ago) link

The first twenty pages of the Lennon book where he describes a typical 1979 day in the life are pretty chilling and I suspect pretty near the truth.

I reckon its pretty accurate. It's based mostly on Fred Seaman's notes.

Fred Seaman's book is my favourite Lennon biog, and I think the best, although it only covers a period of less than 2 years.

Bob Six (bobbysix), Monday, 5 February 2007 13:33 (seventeen years ago) link

too bad Goldman's gone, he could've ghostwritten the memoir of Yoko Ono's chauffeur.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 5 February 2007 13:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh that's interesting, I didn't know about the Seaman book. Is it still in print? (xpost)

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 5 February 2007 13:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Not sure - but it's readily available second hand.

Bob Six (bobbysix), Monday, 5 February 2007 14:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, Fred Seaman *who was charged in a criminal case* for stealing possessions from Lennon.

A Radio Picture (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 11:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Is that why he (Seaman) got shot?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 11:20 (seventeen years ago) link

He got shot?

A Radio Picture (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 11:49 (seventeen years ago) link

According to Goldman's book he did. In the car, argued with the driver of another car who backed into him, woman got out of the car and shot him, but he survived.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 12:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Ah. I kind of jumped around in that book.

A Radio Picture (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 12:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Of course, Goldmans's biogs say more about Goldman than their subjects.

Always fascinating how a person's temperament colours their perception of the world around them.

Phil Knight (PhilK), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 17:30 (seventeen years ago) link

It was Norman Seaman who got shot. Fred's uncle. He was a manager and concert promoter who had worked with Yoko.

Fred's aunt Helen was Sean's nanny.

Bob Six (bobbysix), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

So, is the forthcoming Philip Norman book the "lives of John Lennon it's ok to discuss now"?

I got the AlbGol book for a pound recently, so far am actually impressed by the scale of the book, and some of the things that have been stated as "Goldman says in his book" turn out to be not so.

He does not say John beat up Stu and caused his death (he actually says the opposite), but he does say John felt guilty about it.

Mark G, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 14:12 (fifteen years ago) link

two years pass...

just said this on the shapiro thread: re goldman's disco book, is it worth reading? i've seen it for around £70 which is crazy but so does anyone here have it and fancy scanning it in?

ps. the vitriol on this thread is quite something!

NI, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link

I remember Phil Spector writing a pretty scathing letter to some magazine when they printed Goldman's obituary. Something along the lines of "Albert Goldman's dead? I want someone to check and make sure, because I don't trust him." It ended with "Time wounds all heels."

^^^this thread brings the lolz

ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link

ps. the vitriol on this thread is quite something!

Well, he brought it upon himself, the guy was a message board troll avant la lettre.

Here is a nicely written, even-handed, clear-headed takedown of his Elvis bio: http://www.ulmus.net/ace/aceworks/presley.html.

What You Know Is POLLS!: The Orson Welles Poll (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link

Meant to use italics, not bold, aargh.

What You Know Is POLLS!: The Orson Welles Poll (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link

three years pass...

so excited to tear into the lennon book tmrw

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 10 June 2014 07:23 (nine years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY4aPAehQ4A

piscesx, Tuesday, 10 June 2014 18:04 (nine years ago) link

watching videos like that last night, and the one where he's with Hunter Davies, really repulsed me though, and yeah, his bigotry and self-loathing makes everything he writes reek, but damn this lennon book is jUICY

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 10 June 2014 18:20 (nine years ago) link

Goldman's origin story explains a lot:

http://vk.com/video175391573_163319014

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 10 June 2014 18:51 (nine years ago) link

lmfao

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 10 June 2014 19:15 (nine years ago) link


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