★ The Weeknd ★ What You Need ★

washington post: 1 profile of marsha ambrosius; 1 capsule review of the weeknd (alongside a capsule review of mindless behavior)

based on my not-at-all-scientific survey of google results i think the guardian is doing more to push the weeknd than pitchfork is

apropos of nothing but i cant stand saying 'ambrosius' out loud, makes me feel seasick

ILM: 0 threads about "I Hope She Cheats On Your With A Basketball Player", 3 threads about OJ Da Juiceman "basketball player" freestyle

i mean i just dont see anything you say was being true & i guess its all pointless bcuz i cant really prove that sitting here in my office on my laptop but: there is no discourse. or there are a thousand different discourses & a thousand different outlets & a thousand new ways of hearing & caring abt music. & so many of them exist outside of 'indie' & 'p4kworld' & its like these all dont count bcuz its not ppl you consider your peers or smthing idk

― spectrum dudes (Lamp), Wednesday, March 30, 2011 5:11 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the argument here isnt that worldstar's audience doesnt exist its that they have a legitimate perspective too & that recognizing that is the responsibility of a good cultural critic

looking forward to your 50 Tyson review dude

idk what the hell u are even talking abt any more

just because you kinda liked one ariel pink song doesnt mean u get an entire aesthetic this seems foundational a good cultural critic accepts their limitations

its ok to be wrong sometimes it doesnt mean u hav to think the weeknd is very good or cool

i shoulda stuck to associative youtube posting and gnomic subgabbenb quotations i shoulda been happy

ILM: 0 threads about "I Hope She Cheats On Your With A Basketball Player", 3 threads about OJ Da Juiceman "basketball player" freestyle

― some dude, Wednesday, March 30, 2011 1:20 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark

dying

The Weeknd being described as "what you need" seems like a good subject line for a thread of wrongness imo

― some dude, Wednesday, March 30, 2011 5:27 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

hey did you get around to listening to this mixtape yet or

i know that's a song title i was just joking around

the question stands. just curious.

only listened to some individual songs on youtube, didn't compel me to want to download the entire full-length

cool, man.

just because you kinda liked one ariel pink song doesnt mean u get an entire aesthetic this seems foundational a good cultural critic accepts their limitations

its ok to be wrong sometimes it doesnt mean u hav to think the weeknd is very good or cool

i shoulda stuck to associative youtube posting and gnomic subgabbenb quotations i shoulda been happy

― spectrum dudes (Lamp), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 17:40 (33 minutes ago) Permalink

what are you even responding to any more

bringing up ariel pink was in defense of the accusation, which was incorrect, that im a kneejerk pfork aesthetic hater. it had nothing to do w/ me claiming that i 'got an entire aesthetic' idk what that even refers to

looking forward to your 50 Tyson review dude

― some dude, Wednesday, March 30, 2011 5:38 PM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ariel pink >>>

im confused abt this idea that somehow bcuz indie is music that evolved out of critics, that means that non-indie listeners have no use for well-written and thoughtful music criticism. if u guys know of any such venues that dont hold indie central to their aesthetic worldview and actually have a readership of some kind & pay on time, plz let me know

like my take is we should be cognizent of this stuff bcuz the audience might not exist because they're not being written to, no that their not being written to because that audience doesnt care about well-written critcism

blargh poorly written.

my take is we should be cognizant of this stuff because fans of xyz might not read music writing because they dont see people writing to them, rather than because they have no interest in well-written music crit

i just look at whatever numerical score pfork gave something, check to see if there's a free mp3 download, then move on to the next review.

i realize the 'well-written' thing sounds pompous (& prob lol considering how my last posts) but i just mean that the aim of the crit is towards, like, 'serious critical writing' -- not trying to make any value statements abt the quality of my writing -- there are prob some R&B message board posts out there w/ more insight i dont doubt

wow i tried to read this whole thing while streaming the album, i really did.

this music is v. boring, forks "baby dreams" comment otm.

btw wicked games and gaudy side of town have a few things in common to my ears.

at this point I have no desire to hear the entire mixtape but the two-three songs I played off of Youtube were nice, plus I am always going to be pro-sampling of bands/songs I like

(& prob lol considering how my last posts)

lol wtf is wrong am i stroking or something

what you need is the only good track

i don't know if i need it but i would like to know, what is the good track? /abbottandcostello

some dude if "the morning" happens to be one of the songs by The Weeknd you didn't get around to listening to on youtube, i'd be interested to hear your thoughts on it

I think there have been a lot of interesting questions about taste asked in this thread that unfortunately have been steamrolled under all this 'pitchfork controls my life: yes or no?' bs.

heh i think the cheesy guitar noodling is my fav part of this song and the "make that money rain" line makes me think of andy k comparing "knock your boots off" to bezerker xpost

heh i think the cheesy guitar noodling is my fav part of this song

otm

I think there have been a lot of interesting questions about taste asked in this thread that unfortunately have been steamrolled under all this 'pitchfork controls my life: yes or no?' bs.

― Tim F, Wednesday, March 30, 2011 8:11 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yah true sorry for contributing to this

im not rlly sure what term to use to describe this phenomenon of value systems so end up using 'pfork' or 'indie' which just confusing things further

the "make that money rain" line makes me think of andy k comparing "knock your boots off" to bezerker

lol fair enough

use the language of the oppressor: 'altbros'

feels like this thread has become alternating calls of "if you want good R&B you're just stubbornly looking in the wrong place despite the right places being right out in the open" and "if you want good R&B criticism you're just stubbornly looking in the wrong place despite the right places being right out in the open"

you are crazy

::blows kiss::

why doesn't music critics ever just want to chill

i chill all the time bro

describing someone who disagrees w/ you as stressed & not chill is a timeless tactic i suppose

tbf you're ilx presence is decidedly unchill

ha was gonna say

your**********

what about his ********?

tbf you're ilx presence is decidedly unchill

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, March 30, 2011 9:47 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

itt?

a little. mine too admittedly.

I think gr8080 was using a slightly different type of "chill".

NB. it should hardly be surprising to anyone that a new album steeped in modern R&B signifiers but feted by the indie-rock crowd would incite fairly values-loaded reactions (which we've seen in both the pro and con camps) as opposed to say, yo, this Loggins & Messina album I found at the op shop.

Maybe in 20 years time when the equivalent of balearic/beardo is old and forgotten noble failure attempts at indie-R&B everyone will be able to chill more wholeheartedly.

i'm just playin' dudes

while Lamp remains the most OTM poster itt, i've read about 95% of this thread and actually enjoyed most of your nerdy chin-stroking from the sidelines

oh shit did i just win the superiority contest