ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL

i mean i was just laughing at your apparent surprise that THE LEX wasn't jamming ANTHRAX when he was 13

― some dude, Wednesday, March 30, 2011 10:09 AM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the "aren't you" implied i'm not really up on the lex

i listened to a lot of hardcore but it was all "politically progressive" and vegan and shit

that's funny in and of itself! the lex is at least as ubiquitous a poster that's as vocal about what music he hates as you are. xpost

lol was totally unaware that you were a teen vegan hardcore bro max

it totally makes sense that max had an earnest phase though!

max at 16:

http://iamstraightedge.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/ab7c0_face+tattoo+for+the+vegan+edge+band+earth+crisis.jpg

oh so that explains why he has all those str8 edge tattoos on his head

i say this every time that picture makes an appearance:

the eyebrows

max what is with those

lol yes nice touch

thanks to this thread I am hyper-sensitized to hip-hop misogyny and violence today

like, I just listened to UGK-"Touched", which is pretty... antisocial, in its own way (altho there's a weird kind of justice to it also?)

(for ppl who haven't heard the song: it starts with Bun B getting a gun pulled on him by some punk kid, then (after he whoops the kid's ass) goes into some reflection on what's wrong with 'the kids these days' that's got them thinking they're hardened killers or w/e just cuz of "easy access to 9's" and "exaggerated rhymes"; then Pimp C (RIP) comes in to complain about how his baby-mama's father treats him like a child because he doesn't know he "hangs with killers". but basically most of it is about busting on fake thugs.)

((also includes the [to me] hilariously antisocial line "Yo' ass deserve/ To get bucked real bad in front of your kids / Just to show you what a real type of bitch you is"))

you should listen to this album:

http://www.rapreviews.com/coverart/convictsconvicts.jpg

it's ridiculously anti-social

(big mike who was in the geto boys for a while's first group before he went solo)

need an exemplary verse or line to fully persuade me — but I'll look into it

it's kinda funny that rappers used to rap about their kids and now rappers are kids

I wonder if this has to do with a broader generational shift

well, how many groups had the courage to speak out about people that didn't wash they ass in the late 80s?? huh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-JKpdklFGw

I wonder if Lil B will adopt children from impoverished third-world nations when he's rich and famous

I wonder if Tyler will break into his house and shake them really hard

novelty of this song is sorta lost on me cuz I used to f/w whichever Del Tha Funkee Homosapien album had the track about ppl who needed to wash — obviously that was like 10 years later but I heard it first so *shrug*

also: it doesn't seem very antisocial at all — it is clearly doing the 'dirty work'(lol) of policing important social norms!!

xp at least two, Matt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJEArOnEbcE

it's kinda funny that rappers used to rap about their kids and now rappers are kids

― bernard snowy, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:12 (1 minute ago)

i dont get this 'shift.' rakim was 18 when 'paid in full' dropped & rappers still rap about their kids

also, i have not heard the convicts album gonna go get that now

xp ya I kno I'm just talkin shit. plenty of kids in rap history. still tho, OF seems like a unique case of "these kids are so CRAZY and CREATIVE!" rather than "aw, look at those cute kids rapping!" or "woah that kid can really spit!"

like, you know that one Nas song where he talks about being 7 or 8 years old, "too scared to grab the mics in the park & kick my lil' raps, cuz I thought n**gas wouldn't understand"? — Wolf Gang is what would have happened if he had gone for it

xp ya I kno I'm just talkin shit. plenty of kids in rap history. still tho, OF seems like a unique case of "these kids are so CRAZY and CREATIVE!" rather than "aw, look at those cute kids rapping!" or "woah that kid can really spit!"

― bernard snowy, Wednesday, March 30, 2011 11:22 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

De La were about Tyler's age when they made 3 Feet High, people thought they were pretty crazy and creative but didn't really call them kids

i mean obv Earl being i guess 3-4 years younger than the other members of OF kind of distorts the image of how young they are as a whole but it's definitely a little overstated

haha wutang had that little kid hanging around for a minute

loved that master p lil' kid group

lil wayne was legit little at one point

weren't we all

I dunno; I seem to remember people calling De La kids?
I think the shift has more to do with the age and primacy of the artform of hip hop than anything. it made sense that kids were rapping in the 80's/90's cuz it was a new thing and being made and remade on the fly. In the '00s and beyond, the form has started to ossify a bit both in form, style and top level performers (biggest rappers of the past five years are mostly the biggest rappers of the prior five years) so fresh young talent that isn't generated within the label system, is actively 4chan nihilistic, sprawls out and embraces new media methods of communication/distribution and resists immediate definition as a group is an understandable culture shock. Also, one of the major members of the collective has been stopped from performing or contributing BY HIS MOM. This sorta defines being a kid and prolly has people overly sensitive to the fact that they're clever young guns, which leads to hyperbole and a need to stratify them from what's gone before?

yeah ice cube was 18/19 when he wrote a bunch of classic NWA shit and no one was like OMG he's a CHILD

Also: LL Cool J was younger than these dudes and dropping classics

xxp yeah that all makes a lot of sense

slick rick was 20 when "la di da di" came out

I dunno; I seem to remember people calling De La kids?

― slight even by tweet standards (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, March 30, 2011 11:41 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

did they? maybe i dunno, i'm younger so most of what i've read about them has been later looking back so that might distort my view

i didn't think of any of those people as kids. rakim, de la, etc.

ll i did kinda though. when radio came out.

and since i'm old i can say that i don't remember anyone talking about how de la were kids.

i don't remember De La being perceived as kids at all, if anything i thought they were older cuz they seemed kinda chilled out and sophisticated and stuff....well maybe just Posdnous cuz he always looked a little old for his age IMO

with De La I would imagine the throwback hippie peace-lovin' vibes overshadowed ages, confirm/deny?

btw it doesn't take much imagination to rewrite
isn't generated within the label system, is actively 4chan nihilistic, sprawls out and embraces new media methods of communication/distribution and resists immediate definition as a group
so that it applies to the Wu!

prob it was just that most rappers were really young back then

i always felt that rakim was, like, 400 in earth years.

"sprawls out and embraces new media methods of communication/distributionill-fated licensed comic and apparel endeavors"

part of it's prob physical appearance too -- even though the "Me Myself & I" video took place in a high school they kinda looked like they were too old to be there

the context for calling de la kids was that me myself and i video was in a school and they were all daisy age hippy kids during a brief blip of that being a pop youth rap movement so yeah, i feel like the fact they were young helped define that first album and also made the mainstream/critical disdain to sophomore effort easier to understand

bumping that convicts album right now btw
i love living in the future

xxxps on that of course.
and i agree with snowy of course, i've been arguing that ofwgkta is, in essense, what happens if the wu had cellphones for a minute now

odd future really embraces juvenile attitudes/lifestyles where most rappers try to seem more worldly/gansta

convicts is good but "illegal aliens" might be the nastiest shittiest song in hip hop history

also

oddfuture isn't even close to on the level of nas and wu-tang