ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL

xxxxp no i haven't come a long way. thank god or else i'd be arguing in circles in this thread about who gives a fuck

iirc first line on this album (which was released at the height of his popularity and had a Marilyn Manson feature):

http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/d/dmx/album-flesh-of-my-flesh-blood-of-my-blood.jpg

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lol I've only listeend to the critfave it's dark and hell is hot

I guess another difference is, and it's brought in up the weeknd thread too, is the matter of degree - like yeah, rape and murder is nothing new in hip hop, but to have your entire output focused on those themes takes it to a new level...same with the weeknd, drugged out desolate party music is not a new area for R&B, but to focus an entire album around that...

listen to "Earl" first

http://unheard78.blogspot.com/2009/04/crustified-dibbs-night-of-bloody-apes_04.html

^has no one made the RA/OFWGKTA connection already cuz it's kinda duh

it's a motherfucking paradox
no it's not

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can i just say a lot of "Yonkers" and especially that line is just cringe-inducingly corny imo

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lol yes i feel like what gets lost in these arguments is how awful the music is, tho obv there is a point to be made abt their fans being racist paedos to

http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/2851/opinion.jpg

rape and murder is nothing new in hip hop, but to have your entire output focused on those themes takes it to a new level...

THEY ARE NOT FUCKING DOING THIS, MAYBE LISTEN TO THE MUSIC INSTEAD OF JUST DRAWING A CONCLUSION BASED ON SOME BLOG SHIT. "entire output". Jeez.

sorry Sam thats the strawman I have been dealt

I've listened to a few of the albums and all I remember are the rape and cop killing lines

oh and tylers dad skipped out

I think white indie critics gravitate towards Tyler bcuz of how emo he is. It's like Elliot Smith as rap -- rap being emo isn't new of course but Tyler rapping about personal probs s far from the legions of rappers who make music about inner city struggle and what not. I think that's a big reason why critics have gravitated towards Tyler in particular. I wonder how many of them would care about or would even have discovered Earl's/hodgy's "black rage" if Tyler didn't exist. And anyway I think lots of ppl want to feel "dangerous" -- I think there is a racial element to OF, but there's a reason why the "bad boy" is a tried and true romantic archetype. Or why ppl trespass. I read the OF stuff as ppl who were/are introverted gravitating towards kids who they wish they were like in high school. Idk I'm heavy on some Dr. Melfi shit here, sorta spitballing.

I think age is as much of a factor as race in terms of fetishization

yeah that people use music to vibe out to being sexy or dangerous is not news, sometimes it might be kind of gross or w/e

it feels sort of ungenerous to deny people their escapism even if they might be somewhat ODD

Mos Def seems to fetishize OF in the same way, and yet mos is black. But, he is old.

if you want to talk fetishization its p clear the main thing operating w/odd future is music industry peoples lust for the next big thing

idk that this makes sense cuz the next big thing could be anything. my pinky nail for ex

yeah thats what gets people so riled up

i mean im not trying to say people dont genuinely like this group but theres def a major network effect happening at this point

well they do a good job marketing themselves

sure, and then people are writing article praising their marketing acumen and then that becomes like a legit reason for admiring them

like i wasnt really feelin the mix tape but damn those kids understanding of social media is next level

and then like mos def wants to feel like hes a taste maker instead of a guy who does guest spots on house

Also white ppl jumped onto OF first but I'm not so sure that the black community hasn't or won't also embrace them. They obviously now pal around with plenty of famous rappers and XXL did actually ask Tyler to be on the freshman cover but he turned them down. Nah Right and 2db would've def posted their music long ago if Tyler didnt have his vendett against them. The way they initially distributed their music led itself to be discovered by indie critics first but they're definitely in the realm of the pure hip hop world now. Clearly they'll never draw the same demographic crowd as webbie but there is also a big aesthetic difference between their music and the rap that draws almost 100% black fans (same as webbie vs mf doom I would think)

lol wtf why doesnt he want to be on magazine covers

serious question

He's not the first person to turn down the xxl freshman cover -- drake (no censoro) and minaj both did last year

Drake cosign pretty important nowadays

i didn't know minaj turned down that cover, what reasons did she give?

comparing OF to punk/metal/emo => lol

i finally heard "yonkers" and i thought it was boring btw

blood on my dick cause I look like a tampon

drake should say this given that he basically makes tampon rap

Both Drake & Nicki thought they had transcended the level of artist that typically appears on that cover, and they were probably right.

Tyler isn't really on that level yet and probably never will be commercially but I think he has valid reasons to turn down the cover (the least of which being that it would slightly dilute the OF brand and mission statement for him to show up on a cover with mac miller and diggy simmoms)

freshman cover is stupid as fuck and a p much buries whoever is on it? doesn't seem stupid to me to turn it down. not exactly many success stories coming from it.

freshman cover = sports illustrated cover in terms of career

don't really think you need to secondguess the inner lives of music critics to see the connection beween OF and previous edgy, transgressive overhyped acts

they will be performing at sydney opera house that famous whitish building by the sea.

I still think whoever characterized them upthread as LA skate punks who happen to rap got it OTM. besides their music, everything about them is punk - irreverence for authority, transgressing taboos, internal value system. surely its their 'outsider status' and the way they've been able to leverage that that brings thme so many critical plaudits.

punk is so unpunk though, it's boring and played. what taboos do they transgress? j0rdan said this is what all teenagers do, p much. it'd be more transgressive to actually flirt/play with the idea of queerness, like lil b does.

that's one of the points, they don't really transgress any taboos! but it's not just about transgressing taboos - it's about having this fully-formed aesthetic from the get-go, from not 'playing by anybody's rules', which yeah, as you point out, is a well-worn path, which is maybe why critics are so ready to accept these guys. I mean, I think I like them for the same reason I love JAMC.

it's about having this fully-formed aesthetic from the get-go, from not 'playing by anybody's rules'

yeah, i don't see how these are automatically positive qualities though? they're value-neutral

by itself yeah, but when placed in tension with 'rap music today' I feel they become a positive point in many critics' eyes

it's STILL value-neutral!

neither of those attributes have anything to do w/whether you make good music or not

fully-formed aesthetic from the get-go AND they make good music, so

lex arent you the dude who told me he never listened to anthrax or watched horror movies as a kid?

i watched some horror movies! but not particularly enthusiastically. i don't know what anthrax is, sorry.

i've always found the "they're really talented" the best argument for OF, that's the one that makes me actually feel a bit bad that i can't connect with it myself

i don't know what anthrax is, sorry.

smh, i'm gonna send you some, check your mailbox!

suggest patriot act

:/

trepidation

do i get to send u dubstep in return

lex you're just being stubborn about this. so many new rappers are cookie cutter industry clones hedging as close to the established trends as possible that there's absolutely virtue or at least appeal in someone going against the grain or having their own sound, even if those are obviously abstract qualities that don't necessarily produce good music.