ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL

and yes there's probably a subset of that, but as some dude points out, that's not really the realm OFWGKTA is working in - like is anybody out there comparing them to ice cube

i just actually finished the article we're talking about and got to the part that pretty much points out what i just said btw:

"It's this overarching sense of youthful whimsy, this idea that they don't mean most of what they say, that keeps Odd Future in white fans' good graces. Because history has shown that white critics have a very low tolerance for actual, tangible black rage."

also i think the "infantilization" thing is sort of underexplored. or at least i havent read anything about it. i dont know that its quite infantilization, either, but the age-gap weirdness is at least as weird to me as the racial weirdness.

― max, Wednesday, March 30, 2011 2:34 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

part of it is just weird because there's this self-aware level of remove -- oh, i remember when i felt that way. i dont any more, but this reminds me of that.

can you imagine what would go down if any member of Odd Future caught a rape charge

a little on the nose, guys

its also this whole weird dynamic that the root article gets at, where ofwgkta sets out to be super offensive to middle-class whites or whatever and ends up with an adoring ny times style section article

like that, combined w/ their youthfulness and blackness, just makes the whole hype storm feel "weird" to me. its hard not to start throwing around words like "fetishization"

I've only heard a handful of tracks but I haven't heard anything that's good. This shit was done already and done better. Anybody heard the Wordsound Label? Deltron 3030 and loads of other rappers namechecked in articles/reviews have done this style and done it better. I think the gimmick of their age is what's making people excited. Their performance on Jimmy Fallon was nearly unlistenable. Action Bronson is about a bazillion times better than these guys. His shit has been done too but at least it's good.

if you start singling out the 'offensiveness' and 'shock value' of OFWGKTA as being integral to their success, then what are they doing differently than what eminem did 10 years ago?

btw I haven't been keeping up w/ this thread so...no whiney...I mean, yes whiney

if you start singling out the 'offensiveness' and 'shock value' of OFWGKTA as being integral to their success, then what are they doing differently than what eminem did 10 years ago?

― who is john nult? (dayo), Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:46 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

being black, being 17, having tumblrs

eminem was talking about murdering his baby moms like mentioning her by name. have these guys done anything like that? i know em is an easy shorthand for 'rappers invoking violence against women' but aren't details like that important.

its also this whole weird dynamic that the root article gets at, where ofwgkta sets out to be super offensive to middle-class whites or whatever and ends up with an adoring ny times style section article

― max

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I get the offensiveness part, I get the 'cultural tourism' and vicarious experience part, where I don't follow is that OFWGKTA's success is because of their blackness, or that it adds to their transgressiveness.

like uh, rapping about rape and murder is offensive no matter who does it. idk

the eminem comparisons make no sense to me, still. em became a pop star, then came the critical adulation. em also 'offended' people because he dropped into their homes -- he was fighting for spots w/ the spice girls on TRL. because of the way people can just 'enjoy their own niches,' there are basically no 'monoculture' spaces for people to get offended by odd future. they are 'offensive' to the choir

i mean, unless you're a big jimmy fallon fan and you somehow understood the words odd future were yelling into their microphones

yeah em's def a shaky parallel because he was such a pop phenom/cult of personality. who's the biggest underground/cult white rap act that has a lot of violent/women-hating content in their lyrics? ICP?

cannibal corpse

but the thing with em is that critics still chose to adulate him, even if it was after the fact - there are plenty of pop phenoms that critics universally deride

DMX definitely wasn't getting tons of critical raves in his "blood on my dick cause I fucked a corpse" era

the other thing about 'offensive' is something julianne shepard posted about odd future that i thought was otm -- i cant find it now cuz i cant remember her tumblr address -- who is 'offended' by what odd future is saying? is anyone? who that listens to it is shocked by these ideas?

I want to know more about DMX's blood on my dick era

found
http://jawnita.tumblr.com/post/3793829507/monique-r-re-the-oddfuture-billboard-magazine

Actually, offended isn’t the right word… feeling a way is more accurate. That way is all kinds of emotions — grossed out, depressed, scared, anxiety-laden, pissed off at the overall fucking rape culture, etc. Who under 40 gets ‘offended’ at fucking anything anymore?

i cant believe you people havent gotten bored

lol at "bring your hole crew"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbcyhHRTAXo

I want to know more about DMX's blood on my dick era

― who is john nult? (dayo), Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:02 PM (51 seconds ago) Bookmark

iirc first line on this album (which was released at the height of his popularity and had a Marilyn Manson feature):

http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/d/dmx/album-flesh-of-my-flesh-blood-of-my-blood.jpg

i kicked it w/ dmx once. weird dude.

did he really have blood on his dick?

no remorse, too

he was wearing matching yellow leather pants + jacket

blood on my dick cause I look like a tampon

fwiw that line was a huuuuge hit among my friends and every male i knew at camp that summer

so i guess i was a sick necrophilia-rape fetishist degenerate at the age of 12

nah I'm sure you all just had blood on your dick at camp that summer

you've come a long way, surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally

if its anything, its the fetishization of black COOL, which is nothing new.

Whites like all the fuck school/stab people stuff because it's what we're already familiar with from punk and metal. Saying this is the exploitation of black rage is like saying TV On The Radio is an exploitation of black angst

to be honest, i'll take my rage anywhere i can get it.

but i don't even think "rage" is why i like odd future. i like the sounds. they're goofy too!

cant believe Im saying this but whiney otm

xxxxp no i haven't come a long way. thank god or else i'd be arguing in circles in this thread about who gives a fuck

iirc first line on this album (which was released at the height of his popularity and had a Marilyn Manson feature):

http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/d/dmx/album-flesh-of-my-flesh-blood-of-my-blood.jpg

― some dude, Wednesday, March 30, 2011 11:05 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark

lol I've only listeend to the critfave it's dark and hell is hot

I guess another difference is, and it's brought in up the weeknd thread too, is the matter of degree - like yeah, rape and murder is nothing new in hip hop, but to have your entire output focused on those themes takes it to a new level...same with the weeknd, drugged out desolate party music is not a new area for R&B, but to focus an entire album around that...

listen to "Earl" first

http://unheard78.blogspot.com/2009/04/crustified-dibbs-night-of-bloody-apes_04.html

^has no one made the RA/OFWGKTA connection already cuz it's kinda duh

it's a motherfucking paradox
no it's not

― slight even by tweet standards (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:09 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

can i just say a lot of "Yonkers" and especially that line is just cringe-inducingly corny imo

― ★ Project Pat ★ What Cha Starin At ★ I Ain't A Mirror ★ (some dude), Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:11 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol yes i feel like what gets lost in these arguments is how awful the music is, tho obv there is a point to be made abt their fans being racist paedos to

http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/2851/opinion.jpg

rape and murder is nothing new in hip hop, but to have your entire output focused on those themes takes it to a new level...

THEY ARE NOT FUCKING DOING THIS, MAYBE LISTEN TO THE MUSIC INSTEAD OF JUST DRAWING A CONCLUSION BASED ON SOME BLOG SHIT. "entire output". Jeez.

sorry Sam thats the strawman I have been dealt

I've listened to a few of the albums and all I remember are the rape and cop killing lines

oh and tylers dad skipped out