ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL

that article is weird.

that last line is crazy too.

this:

"And while white people love to hear you say you're going to beat and rape some women, God help you if you ever actually do it."

i'm kinda high though. i'll read anything. weird though. people like horror movies. film at 11. white people bought richard pryor all that cocaine. we do our part.

plus, they make it sound like odd future aren't trying to be funny! they totally are trying to be funny. sure, pain, suffering, etc, but the funny too.

people are kind of fucking crazy

the "oh it's just another example of whites fetishizing black male rage" line doesn't totally ring true to me, because aside from the stuff about being fatherless, most of the anger or violence in Odd Future's lyrics doesn't seem to be about typical black problems or necessarily aimed at the stereotypical targets of angry hip hop (cops/government, "haters," whites and non-black minorities, crack) and even the misogyny is more pointedly mean than just objectifying women or calling them bitches. like, they're not exactly mad about the stuff Ice Cube or DMX or Lil Boosie was mad about. i mean there definitely IS a racial element to how much white critics have embraced these guys, but if anything it has to do with how different they are from the traditional lineage of dark violent hip hop than how similar they are.

it's a motherfucking paradox
no it's not

can i just say a lot of "Yonkers" and especially that line is just cringe-inducingly corny imo

it wouldnt be bad if it wasnt being highlighted all the time

lol "tastes horrible and such large portions"

the "oh it's just another example of whites fetishizing black male rage" line doesn't totally ring true to me, because aside from the stuff about being fatherless, most of the anger or violence in Odd Future's lyrics doesn't seem to be about typical black problems or necessarily aimed at the stereotypical targets of angry hip hop (cops/government, "haters," whites and non-black minorities, crack) and even the misogyny is more pointedly mean than just objectifying women or calling them bitches. like, they're not exactly mad about the stuff Ice Cube or DMX or Lil Boosie was mad about. i mean there definitely IS a racial element to how much white critics have embraced these guys, but if anything it has to do with how different they are from the traditional lineage of dark violent hip hop than how similar they are.

― ★ Project Pat ★ What Cha Starin At ★ I Ain't A Mirror ★ (some dude), Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:04 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah this strikes me as true--its like "finally! black guys being mad about stuff i can relate to!"

yeah i mean i think you realize there's something weird w/ the black rage angle when its combined w/ the infantilization / condescendion -- 'theyre KIDS doing hip hop' or the "LOL they are mad the sound wasnt working and left the stage -- thats our tyler!" thats like jesus dudes

― they reminisce over dayo (D-40), Tuesday, March 29, 2011 9:24 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

also i think the "infantilization" thing is sort of underexplored. or at least i havent read anything about it. i dont know that its quite infantilization, either, but the age-gap weirdness is at least as weird to me as the racial weirdness.

white music critics fetishize black male rage - look at punk

and yes there's probably a subset of that, but as some dude points out, that's not really the realm OFWGKTA is working in - like is anybody out there comparing them to ice cube

i just actually finished the article we're talking about and got to the part that pretty much points out what i just said btw:

"It's this overarching sense of youthful whimsy, this idea that they don't mean most of what they say, that keeps Odd Future in white fans' good graces. Because history has shown that white critics have a very low tolerance for actual, tangible black rage."

also i think the "infantilization" thing is sort of underexplored. or at least i havent read anything about it. i dont know that its quite infantilization, either, but the age-gap weirdness is at least as weird to me as the racial weirdness.

― max, Wednesday, March 30, 2011 2:34 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

part of it is just weird because there's this self-aware level of remove -- oh, i remember when i felt that way. i dont any more, but this reminds me of that.

can you imagine what would go down if any member of Odd Future caught a rape charge

a little on the nose, guys

its also this whole weird dynamic that the root article gets at, where ofwgkta sets out to be super offensive to middle-class whites or whatever and ends up with an adoring ny times style section article

like that, combined w/ their youthfulness and blackness, just makes the whole hype storm feel "weird" to me. its hard not to start throwing around words like "fetishization"

I've only heard a handful of tracks but I haven't heard anything that's good. This shit was done already and done better. Anybody heard the Wordsound Label? Deltron 3030 and loads of other rappers namechecked in articles/reviews have done this style and done it better. I think the gimmick of their age is what's making people excited. Their performance on Jimmy Fallon was nearly unlistenable. Action Bronson is about a bazillion times better than these guys. His shit has been done too but at least it's good.

if you start singling out the 'offensiveness' and 'shock value' of OFWGKTA as being integral to their success, then what are they doing differently than what eminem did 10 years ago?

btw I haven't been keeping up w/ this thread so...no whiney...I mean, yes whiney

if you start singling out the 'offensiveness' and 'shock value' of OFWGKTA as being integral to their success, then what are they doing differently than what eminem did 10 years ago?

― who is john nult? (dayo), Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:46 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

being black, being 17, having tumblrs

eminem was talking about murdering his baby moms like mentioning her by name. have these guys done anything like that? i know em is an easy shorthand for 'rappers invoking violence against women' but aren't details like that important.

its also this whole weird dynamic that the root article gets at, where ofwgkta sets out to be super offensive to middle-class whites or whatever and ends up with an adoring ny times style section article

― max

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I get the offensiveness part, I get the 'cultural tourism' and vicarious experience part, where I don't follow is that OFWGKTA's success is because of their blackness, or that it adds to their transgressiveness.

like uh, rapping about rape and murder is offensive no matter who does it. idk

the eminem comparisons make no sense to me, still. em became a pop star, then came the critical adulation. em also 'offended' people because he dropped into their homes -- he was fighting for spots w/ the spice girls on TRL. because of the way people can just 'enjoy their own niches,' there are basically no 'monoculture' spaces for people to get offended by odd future. they are 'offensive' to the choir

i mean, unless you're a big jimmy fallon fan and you somehow understood the words odd future were yelling into their microphones

yeah em's def a shaky parallel because he was such a pop phenom/cult of personality. who's the biggest underground/cult white rap act that has a lot of violent/women-hating content in their lyrics? ICP?

cannibal corpse

but the thing with em is that critics still chose to adulate him, even if it was after the fact - there are plenty of pop phenoms that critics universally deride

DMX definitely wasn't getting tons of critical raves in his "blood on my dick cause I fucked a corpse" era

the other thing about 'offensive' is something julianne shepard posted about odd future that i thought was otm -- i cant find it now cuz i cant remember her tumblr address -- who is 'offended' by what odd future is saying? is anyone? who that listens to it is shocked by these ideas?

I want to know more about DMX's blood on my dick era

found
http://jawnita.tumblr.com/post/3793829507/monique-r-re-the-oddfuture-billboard-magazine

Actually, offended isn’t the right word… feeling a way is more accurate. That way is all kinds of emotions — grossed out, depressed, scared, anxiety-laden, pissed off at the overall fucking rape culture, etc. Who under 40 gets ‘offended’ at fucking anything anymore?

i cant believe you people havent gotten bored

lol at "bring your hole crew"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbcyhHRTAXo

I want to know more about DMX's blood on my dick era

― who is john nult? (dayo), Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:02 PM (51 seconds ago) Bookmark

iirc first line on this album (which was released at the height of his popularity and had a Marilyn Manson feature):

http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/d/dmx/album-flesh-of-my-flesh-blood-of-my-blood.jpg

i kicked it w/ dmx once. weird dude.

did he really have blood on his dick?

no remorse, too

he was wearing matching yellow leather pants + jacket

blood on my dick cause I look like a tampon

fwiw that line was a huuuuge hit among my friends and every male i knew at camp that summer

so i guess i was a sick necrophilia-rape fetishist degenerate at the age of 12

nah I'm sure you all just had blood on your dick at camp that summer

you've come a long way, surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally

if its anything, its the fetishization of black COOL, which is nothing new.

Whites like all the fuck school/stab people stuff because it's what we're already familiar with from punk and metal. Saying this is the exploitation of black rage is like saying TV On The Radio is an exploitation of black angst