★ The Weeknd ★ What You Need ★

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ok well ive got class in ten minutes & have to eat a sub before so itèll have to wait i guess

have fun eating a sub and not reading the thread, whiney

bamcquern also have we considered the plight of those hermits living in a cave these past four years who understandably will have no idea of The-Dream at al? If they only emerged in the last week it'd make total sense that they were into The Weeknd but not The-Dream yet. It's not a conspiracy though! We really should think about such people before jumping to inane, unsustainable conclusions like "The Weeknd has gotten more internet hype in 1 week than The-Dream got in 1 year."

feel salem lean way too heavy on the latter & their music doesn't feel like they understand how achingly beautiful dj screw music can be, how deep/low it is, how it crawls etc

Think it's your wording, flopson, rather than what you meant. No offense to you :)

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wow the founder of Pitchfork digs the album Pitchfork just named 'best new music,' great find dude

this whole thread plays like a superiority contest btw its totally gross

you just won the contest btw

nothing but generalizations and judgmental assholes imo

Srsly though who apart from lex has been remotely judgmental in this thread?

Why does indie dudes get so butthurt about their taste in stuff?

yeah idk maybe not w/e

god i'm such an idiot--srly thought i had a chance in the superiority contest

cheer up; with that attitude you stand a good chance at the inferiority contest

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it's not like they commonly get anything written for them in the mainstream music press so yeah, i'll take that

― lex pretend, Wednesday, March 30, 2011 1:16 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark

keep on thinking of whoever said earlier in the thread that lex treats pitchfork as his NYT of music journalism

at some point it's just like, stop hitting yourself, why are you hitting yourself

it kind of is that though. pretty much all music critics orient themselves around it

like, daily newspaper critics in the major papers consistently cover pitchfork acts. odd future was on the 1st page of the nyt

kinda doubt that jon caramanica is getting his cues from pitchfork?

don't you understand, you're playing by their rules

not sure what jon gets his cues from right now

but i doubt its his decision what page his piece runs on

I am certain that NYT's decision to run a piece about a musical collective of young black men saying violent, repellent shit was wholly driven by Pitchfork approval

very much doubt that scott veale is getting his cues from pitchfork

maybe not directly but cmon. the entire culture of music criticism has formed around the pfork canon. how else do u explain pnj results the last few years

'around' btw doesnt mean 'replicating' but rather the idea that everyone must engage w/ pfork-acclaimed artists

whether pro or con

Huh.

anyway lex thinking that the only reason this album 'blew up' is because of 'chillwave production' & a bunch of tumblrs is evidence of lex ngi

feel like if it was an album of female-empowerment anthems lex would be all up on it tho

feel like we need a spin-off thread soon, is pitchfork really the center of the music criticism universe

the entire culture of music criticism has formed around the pfork canon. how else do u explain pnj results the last few years

Music criticism as a field is imploding and the same 50 people write for overlapping venues?

why is indie central to music canons now in a way it wasnt a decade ago

im not saying there arent critics out there who work outside this obv ... i consider myself one. but cmon, the critical discourse is now oriented around the idea that indie records are consistently some of the most important & interesting records in a given year, and critics around the country / world reinforce that

using the big picture umbrella 'indie' here not just the national or w/e

i mean its kind of funny to listen to people go IF YOU DONT WANT TO HEAR ABOUT HOW GREAT INDIE IS DONT READ PITCHFORK READ VIBE OR THE SOURCE & its like, do you think i can get an unsigned hype rapper article in a local paper faster than i can get an article on the weeknd into one? who is the editor paying attention to -- the one pitchfork critics are making a lot of noise about, or the one that source critics are making a lot of noise about

im not saying there arent critics out there who work outside this obv ... i consider myself one.

lol

why is that 'lol' to you

i feel bad for ppl showing up earlier in this thread naively 'enjoying the music' like mindless automatons. when will they learn to augment their listening by addressing the more fundamental issue that their emotional response takes place in a cultural space poisoned by ryan schreiber's ignorant hegemony. stop taking the blue pill guys

feel like you and lex spend so much time railing against the pitchfork hegemony that you two have become defined by your antipathy towards p4k, i.e. those who are always seeking to decenter the discourse end up becoming defined by the center *shrug*

except that doesnt describe my actual stance at all. i dont spend most of my writing time disparaging pitchfork acts, at all

i dont even think they should necessarily be disparaged. i dont rail against it 'because' its pitchfork. i like some groups that happen to be 'pfork bands' and some who arent. i write about acts that i think deserve critical attention, whether or not they fit into a preconceived idea of what pfork listeners 'like' but based on whether i like it & think it deserves those ears

so you've never complained about the rappers that p4k covers, or how p4k isn't covering enough of the rap & R&B you like?

so you've never complained about the rappers that p4k covers, or how p4k isn't covering enough of the rap & R&B you like?

― who is john nult? (dayo), Wednesday, March 30, 2011 12:05 AM (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

no, i got a job w/ them and wrote about the ones i like

to be clear here,

1) i criticize certain artists for being generally not good vs. consensus, or underrated vs. consensus
2) i dont criticize 'pitchfork' or blame pitchfork for its audience or who its trying to target
3) i do think the pfork effect is damaging & unnecessarily and unfairly privileges certain kinds of artists -- and again, this isnt the site's fault per se -- but the way critics treat it as the center of the critical world is unfortunate

1) i criticize certain artists for being generally not good vs. consensus, or underrated vs. consensus

this is what I mean - if consensus for you is primarily determined by p4k, and you spend your time evaluating things against the p4k consensus, then...

fact is, as we've talked about like 9million times on ilx before, pitchfork isnt an entity in & of itself you can 'blame.' maybe you dont like what a specific writer does, or an editorial decision or direction someone has made. but its a group of ppl. the problem comes in when people take those individual opinions as being THE authority on music & that happens all the time. any small-scale band that happens to get a bnm is going to be in newspapers around the country for the forseeable future. that doesnt happen w/ say rappers in the source or bands in whatever metal mag is hot right now.

this is what I mean - if consensus for you is primarily determined by p4k, and you spend your time evaluating things against the p4k consensus, then...

― who is john nult? (dayo), Wednesday, March 30, 2011 12:10 AM (50 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

sure but i dont blame pitchfork. i blame the ppl who let pitchfork become this dominant voice! the people who think that they're missing out if they dont reflect what pitchfork is talking about, that few places w/ any kind of audience are willing to take a dramatic & unique step towards having another worldview. The Source tried it by giving the bun b record 5 mics & that was like :-/

3) i do think the pfork effect is damaging & unnecessarily and unfairly privileges certain kinds of artists -- and again, this isnt the site's fault per se -- but the way critics treat it as the center of the critical world is unfortunate

― they reminisce over dayo (D-40), Wednesday, March 30, 2011 12:09 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i should mention that this is contingent on it being a place that continues to target one 'indie' audience -- like, you cant have it both ways, where its either a) 'if you want to read about rap treated fairly read another publication' or b) i think it should cover other genres fairly

so, 3) is only true if i'm forced to agree with a)

say im a music writer who wants to pitch a piece on kendrick lamar OR the weeknd. who do u think a big-city newspaper is likely to cover first (removing home team advantage from both artists -- no LA Weekly or Toronto whatever)