ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL

lol, alright alright, you showed me.

i just don't like b.o.b. and do like odd future and am pretty ignorant of how big b.o.b is.

yep

b.o.b. has 3 billboard top 10 hits incl a #1 hit... it's really not even a contest

HITS!

1.2 million people "like" B.O.B. on facebook, that's pretty scientific

i mean i kinda admitted i was wrong and guilty of stanning. thanks, though!

but maybe we don't do 'hits'.

the craziest thing about B.O.B is how he's the only rapper in recent memory to cross over to uk urban pop - how did this happen? so weird imo

craig david havin an off year

i believe you stole our craig

the golden age of hip hop was based on word battles; bout fucking time somebody has the testes to just randomly pop shots at people.

http://i52.tinypic.com/2eod3yq.jpg

damn

77 should start conjuring chan-style antics to fuck with earls mom

it's like if NIRVANA's mom didn't let them make records

http://1000timesyes.tumblr.com/post/4163110442/my-notes-from-the-odd-future-sxsw-show

u a fool C.R.

it's like if NIRVANA's mom didn't let them make records

― corkslovetoscrew (some dude), Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:14 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol

http://www.theroot.com/views/odd-future-s-odd-fan-base?page=0,0

urgh puke didn't read. internet is pissing me off today

wtf is that first paragraph arggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg

It's a White Thing

new board description (ilxor voice)

crazy lineup for this festival:
VIVID LIVE 2011 LINEUP ANNOUNCED
SPIRITUALIZED :: CHRIS CUNNINGHAM :: YO GABBA GABBA :: SONNY ROLLINS :: BAT FOR LASHES:: HYPNOTIC BRASS ENSEMBLE :: TAME IMPALA :: CUT COPY :: THE AVALANCHES (DJ SET) :: 2MANYDJS :: TOM KUNTZ :: ARCHITECTURE IN HELSINKI :: OFWGKTA :: WU LYF :: AZARI & III :: CRYSTAL ARK :: DOM :: SNEAKY SUNDAYS :: SUPERBIEN :: MAD RACKET :: VAN SHE :: FLIGHT FACILITIES :: BAG RAIDERS :: CANYONS :: ANDEE FROST :: HORSE MEAT DISCO :: DANIELE BALDELLI :: CLUB KOOKY :: THE SWISS :: BENI :: SOFTWAR :: BAMBOO MUSIK :: CHANGES

For their part, it's not that white music critics and fans are self-loathing (at least, not all of them are); what it comes down to mostly is that whites have fetishized black male rage for years now, and Odd Future is just the latest testament to that interest.

^^^Yeah it's this that also makes me feel uncomfortable about Odd Future. Guys with great potential but could be just the latest fodder for white people seeing their black rage as just entertainment. Call me gay, faggot or having no swag or whatever but shit like this has always been problematic in USA musical history.

I'm done until Goblin is released.

yeah i mean i think you realize there's something weird w/ the black rage angle when its combined w/ the infantilization / condescendion -- 'theyre KIDS doing hip hop' or the "LOL they are mad the sound wasnt working and left the stage -- thats our tyler!" thats like jesus dudes

ol' Dom P already has a rebuttal:
http://ichlugebullets.wordpress.com/2011/03/29/race-baiting-for-pleasure-and-profit/

that article is weird.

that last line is crazy too.

this:

"And while white people love to hear you say you're going to beat and rape some women, God help you if you ever actually do it."

i'm kinda high though. i'll read anything. weird though. people like horror movies. film at 11. white people bought richard pryor all that cocaine. we do our part.

plus, they make it sound like odd future aren't trying to be funny! they totally are trying to be funny. sure, pain, suffering, etc, but the funny too.

people are kind of fucking crazy

the "oh it's just another example of whites fetishizing black male rage" line doesn't totally ring true to me, because aside from the stuff about being fatherless, most of the anger or violence in Odd Future's lyrics doesn't seem to be about typical black problems or necessarily aimed at the stereotypical targets of angry hip hop (cops/government, "haters," whites and non-black minorities, crack) and even the misogyny is more pointedly mean than just objectifying women or calling them bitches. like, they're not exactly mad about the stuff Ice Cube or DMX or Lil Boosie was mad about. i mean there definitely IS a racial element to how much white critics have embraced these guys, but if anything it has to do with how different they are from the traditional lineage of dark violent hip hop than how similar they are.

it's a motherfucking paradox
no it's not

can i just say a lot of "Yonkers" and especially that line is just cringe-inducingly corny imo

it wouldnt be bad if it wasnt being highlighted all the time

lol "tastes horrible and such large portions"

the "oh it's just another example of whites fetishizing black male rage" line doesn't totally ring true to me, because aside from the stuff about being fatherless, most of the anger or violence in Odd Future's lyrics doesn't seem to be about typical black problems or necessarily aimed at the stereotypical targets of angry hip hop (cops/government, "haters," whites and non-black minorities, crack) and even the misogyny is more pointedly mean than just objectifying women or calling them bitches. like, they're not exactly mad about the stuff Ice Cube or DMX or Lil Boosie was mad about. i mean there definitely IS a racial element to how much white critics have embraced these guys, but if anything it has to do with how different they are from the traditional lineage of dark violent hip hop than how similar they are.

― ★ Project Pat ★ What Cha Starin At ★ I Ain't A Mirror ★ (some dude), Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:04 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah this strikes me as true--its like "finally! black guys being mad about stuff i can relate to!"

yeah i mean i think you realize there's something weird w/ the black rage angle when its combined w/ the infantilization / condescendion -- 'theyre KIDS doing hip hop' or the "LOL they are mad the sound wasnt working and left the stage -- thats our tyler!" thats like jesus dudes

― they reminisce over dayo (D-40), Tuesday, March 29, 2011 9:24 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

also i think the "infantilization" thing is sort of underexplored. or at least i havent read anything about it. i dont know that its quite infantilization, either, but the age-gap weirdness is at least as weird to me as the racial weirdness.

white music critics fetishize black male rage - look at punk

and yes there's probably a subset of that, but as some dude points out, that's not really the realm OFWGKTA is working in - like is anybody out there comparing them to ice cube

i just actually finished the article we're talking about and got to the part that pretty much points out what i just said btw:

"It's this overarching sense of youthful whimsy, this idea that they don't mean most of what they say, that keeps Odd Future in white fans' good graces. Because history has shown that white critics have a very low tolerance for actual, tangible black rage."

also i think the "infantilization" thing is sort of underexplored. or at least i havent read anything about it. i dont know that its quite infantilization, either, but the age-gap weirdness is at least as weird to me as the racial weirdness.

― max, Wednesday, March 30, 2011 2:34 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

part of it is just weird because there's this self-aware level of remove -- oh, i remember when i felt that way. i dont any more, but this reminds me of that.

can you imagine what would go down if any member of Odd Future caught a rape charge

a little on the nose, guys

its also this whole weird dynamic that the root article gets at, where ofwgkta sets out to be super offensive to middle-class whites or whatever and ends up with an adoring ny times style section article

like that, combined w/ their youthfulness and blackness, just makes the whole hype storm feel "weird" to me. its hard not to start throwing around words like "fetishization"

I've only heard a handful of tracks but I haven't heard anything that's good. This shit was done already and done better. Anybody heard the Wordsound Label? Deltron 3030 and loads of other rappers namechecked in articles/reviews have done this style and done it better. I think the gimmick of their age is what's making people excited. Their performance on Jimmy Fallon was nearly unlistenable. Action Bronson is about a bazillion times better than these guys. His shit has been done too but at least it's good.

if you start singling out the 'offensiveness' and 'shock value' of OFWGKTA as being integral to their success, then what are they doing differently than what eminem did 10 years ago?

btw I haven't been keeping up w/ this thread so...no whiney...I mean, yes whiney