ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL

so OF's thing is basically that they capture something essential about being a teenage boy (that adults don't tend to feel any more). maybe this should go in the teenpop thread.

lol shakey mo and ilxor p much the only two involved here i don't know the government names of. critics!

OF's thing is that they're really fucking good at rapping and making rap songs.

maybe this should go in the teenpop thread.

sure why not

look justin bieber, i wasnt trying to say who should be offended or when it was ok or wasnt, i was just expressing my personal comfort level w/ obviously offensive music. it wasnt an attempt to 'defend' anything, i just get pretty tired of the 'odd future arent as bad as guys that really mean it' used to apply to poor guys who arent as good at twitter marketing. or the idea that i cant criticize this stuff for talking about rape & 'faggots' all the time because i listen to artists who are defense. you of all people should recognize that as a defensive copout

i also dont get why its not ok for me to tell ilxor to stfu btu its ok for whiney to talk shit about me & misrepresent my point (which is what ilxor was laughing at when i told him to stfu) except that you seem to like badgering me about this stuff but not others

because i listen to artists who are offensive rather

man i'm rooting for deej but god this feels like watching jeff gordon's car headed for the concrete wall

its not my fault k3ith rlch@rds sides against me in every argument ever

i'm not sidin against you here fwiw. tbh i've been trying to read 3,532,232 posts back to find out what this is all about and well my cpu is too slow so I gave up

OF's thing is that they're really fucking good at rapping and making rap songs.

yeah they're okay but beyond all the extraneous shit that we're talking about - their offensiveness, their teenagerness - they really do not stand out for me on these counts at all - like half the random rappers i've never heard of that deej posts in the gun sounds thread are better

like half the random rappers i've never heard of that deej posts in the gun sounds thread are better

― lex pretend, Monday, March 14, 2011 6:48 PM (27 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is a truth bomb

it's the extraneous shit that sets them apart and i'm pretty sure is a much bigger reason for them blowing up rather than just because they're good at rapping, otherwise why aren't we talking about the jacka or na'tee or, like...square off, i don't even know who that is but i loved the song i just listened to like way more than any OF track i've heard

also, angel haze totally slays OF if you're looking for ~teenage attitude~ that sometimes manifests itself in unpleasantness

it's the extraneous shit that sets them apart and i'm pretty sure is a much bigger reason for them blowing up rather than just because they're good at rapping,

I'm sure this is true, but so what? popular approval has never been a particularly good barometer of quality rapping

jedward

good rapping is kind of a bonus when it comes to most popular rap act amirite

cf Drake

(who cannot rap)

yes but lex's point is that other people do offensive teenage better than OF, nobody does Canadian TV star rap better than Drake (at least not since Tom Green, to my knowledge)

lol

you forgot 'offensive Canadian TV star rap'

i also dont get why its not ok for me to tell ilxor to stfu btu its ok for whiney to talk shit about me & misrepresent my point (which is what ilxor was laughing at when i told him to stfu) except that you seem to like badgering me about this stuff but not others

man I keep thinking "deej is smart, I'll talk with him" but I always forget that your persecution complex makes engaging you a total non-starter. forget I said anything, I knew when you got unbanned it was curtains for rap threads, I'll wait til you're gone again before reading any, have fun

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I do love how when deej accuses any of the people who are super-mean to deej, he pretends that he doesn't have a list as long as his arm of people who're against him, misinterpret him, are focused on him, etc

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ignoring m3atl0af,

i mean, take it as a given that i dont find Big L as hard to listen to as Odd Future, and im trying to work out why -- so i said, you know, big l brings this street subtext in his music that has a real world heaviness to it, that his 'raping nuns' ish is like, the world is a cold, hard place, and im 'street struck' etc, and caricaturish violence is the logical eventual response, that it drives u to sociopathic extreme humor. so for me, theres an irreverence to odd future that feels out of step w/ the minimal context their music provides, the uncommon references to absent fathers etc

Yeah, but anyone who was 16 knows you don't need to be from HARLEM IIRC to be misanthropic or nihilistic or offensive. It's a trademark of alienation that transcends all class and race boundaries

The thing about Big L and Odd Future and Cannibal Corpse and Blowfly and Anal Cunt and Bathtub Shitter and Whitehouse is that society let them down and they feel alienated, outside, out of step.

pretty sure most artists like to think they're alienated, outside, out of step

lol yeah guys ilxor thinks tyler invented "no homo".

hah i am well aware this is a 'thing' & dont think tyler invented it, have heard before etc.- funny to assume otherwise tho?

The thing about Big L and Odd Future and Cannibal Corpse and Blowfly and Anal Cunt and Bathtub Shitter and Whitehouse is that society let them down and they feel alienated, outside, out of step.

― i been serving humble pie since he had small faces (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, March 14, 2011 7:21 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

nah i know this, im not saying harlem is the only place that this is possible! im just saying the content of the music here, to my exp., isnt bringing enough context to make all the rape jokes bearable. maybe when i was 18 i woulda been all BADASS!! about it but i think im just too old for it now.

The thing about Big L and Odd Future and Cannibal Corpse and Blowfly and Anal Cunt and Bathtub Shitter and Whitehouse is that society let them down and they feel alienated, outside, out of step....and they intentionally say really ignorant shit guaranteed to offend large swaths of the populace (while hopefully selling to a large enough audience to make it worth it).

deej you realize that you're making a value judgment that growing up poor and in harlem gives you a reason to be nihilistic while growing up, say, without a father, or just feeling alienated for whatever reason, doesn't -- or at least doesn't give you a good enough reason

i mean i guess that's your decision to make but it's kinda BS

xpost Just so we don't mistake them for the alienated, outside, out of step artists like James Taylor, the Arcade Fire and Nina Simone.

deej you realize that you're making a value judgment that growing up poor and in harlem gives you a reason to be nihilistic while growing up, say, without a father, or just feeling alienated for whatever reason, doesn't -- or at least doesn't give you a good enough reason

i mean i guess that's your decision to make but it's kinda BS

― J0rdan S., Monday, March 14, 2011 7:33 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark

dude its not how they *grew up* for the last time its about what they put in the music itself

for all i know tyler's had a really rough life, but i wish his music would reflect that balance more if he wants to get away w/ expressing that kind of shit & instead he just comes across as a 4chan type 'irreverent' OTT type to me

my first post itt said Big L's CAREER not his LIFE

itargument

for all i know tyler's had a really rough life, but i wish his music would reflect that balance more if he wants to get away w/ expressing that kind of shit & instead he just comes across as a 4chan type 'irreverent' OTT type to me

that does sound like you're saying "a person who had a rough life can 'get away' with being noxious, a person who hasn't cannot." which is weird place-of-privilege stuff. his music does not indicate that he's had a rough life, so therefore, when he expresses something noxious you are less likely to feel/enjoy/excuse it.

idk i figured the casual nihilism of *teen years* is basically why ppl like this band, empathy or nostalgia. like i guess the ways in which they are repellent little douchebags strikes a chord w/ me and figured this would be the general mode of reception or w/e

that does sound like you're saying "a person who had a rough life can 'get away' with being noxious, a person who hasn't cannot." which is weird place-of-privilege stuff. his music does not indicate that he's had a rough life, so therefore, when he expresses something noxious you are less likely to feel/enjoy/excuse it.

― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, March 14, 2011 7:45 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

his irl life doesnt really have to do w/ it, im talking about the music im listening to ffs

i said 'tyler might have had a really rough life' making a point that it doesnt really matter bcuz his music doesnt have the kind of depth to me needed to keep me from being put off by random rape jokes

So his music doesn't sound like he's had a rough enough life. It sounds like he's a 4Chan nerd.

but the subtext is that if he did have a rough life (like big l) then his music would have that depth to you and you'd find his nihilism rewarding

All of this is a really really elaborate way of saying I like "Big L and I don't really care for Odd Future". Great. Lock thread.

Oh wait other people might actually care about Odd Future. Nevermind. Leave it open.

All of this is a really really elaborate way of saying I like "Big L and I don't really care for Odd Future". Great. Lock thread.

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, March 14, 2011 7:59 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

no shit? isnt that what everyone on this thread is doing? im not the one who started arguing w/ myself

I think everyone measures the 'noxiousness' of music against its depth, wit, skill, etc. context is definitely a potential trap - lots of hateful dudes are also self-pitying - but very few of us are successful about keeping a hard line about this stuff.

for all i know tyler's had a really rough life, but i wish his music would reflect that balance more if he wants to get away w/ expressing that kind of shit

I kinda pride myself on my ability to parse sentences & tease out multiple meanings but how you can claim that this says anything other than "because his music does not indicate that he's lived a rough life, I can't give him a pass for the things he says" (implying, consequently, the inverse: that people from harder circumstances are somehow able "to get away w/ expressing that kind of shit) is beyond me. This also does seem to be a recurring feature of your hermeneutical approach. that's right your hermeneutical approach