ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL

i dont understand this. its not 'arbitrary' at all -- ime tyler's contextual stuff is a whole lot thinner than big L's.
--deej

So? Why does this matter?

yeah...straight dudes explaining how "faggot" is to be understood contextually (& also "bitch" but that horse has left the barn, which sucks but what can you do) maybe oughta come with a sticker imo - disenfranchised populations getting told by the privileged whether they're being insulted or not is a shitty look, and while I recognize that this is about your/our/anybody's response/reading, that's kind of neither here nor there: privileged people (=white straight males no matter what their economic bracket) exercising the luxury of which disenfranchising language uses are "ok" is kinda gross

imo

i dont think anyone said whether gay ppl should or should not be offended

this "who's more offensive: some gangsta FROM THE STREETS rapper or some teenage weirdos" argument was boring the first time it happened on this thread back in Nov 2010 btw

ie I have learned me lesson

apologies for leprechaun dialect

"I hope he isn't one of those when I say "gay" or "faggot" I mean this and not actual gay people. Because a message like that is very fuzzy and not answering the question completely. I'm disappointed that the Billboard reporter did not address this in their article."

The Billboard reporter himself still says faggot sometimes, usually after a few drinks. But he's trying to quit. Drinking.

And I honestly don't get the idea that shocking people is the goal of Odd Future. I think Tyler says things that he finds interesting and/or funny. Which is a pretty healthy way to make art, IMHO. It'll be a problem if saying FUCK MARY IN HER ASS still tickles that fancy in five or ten years, but as of now? It seems perfectly appropriate for his age, as Jordan said. I used to work at a high school and the things I heard kids say on a daily basis there would make OF sound absolutely tame. And the Spud McKenzie biographer was OTM too in that this is nothing new. A big part of the reason I fuck with OF is that they remind me of some of the kids I used to hang out with in high school, right down to the rape jokes and casual homophobia. The only thing that's really changed today is the access to and documentation of how kids talk. I mean this was some shit we'd say in a garage or on the basketball court or in a skatepark. Now it's digestible and permanent. In the 90s when Tribe Called Quest made a record about beating up faggots their label shut them down and we didn't hear it for fifteen years. Now the Odd Futures of the world can drop a song with the same theme and get it directly to their fanbase that afternoon.

big l was such a superhuman punchline rapper that i honestly doubt (and maybe i'm wrong) thought about it much, he seemed pretty amoral in that fuck it, a hot line is a hot line

What the fuck happened to this thread in the time it took me to write that post? This shit is way more offensive than odd future.

would you call it gay

thread got raped by deej

^^i have a feeling this is gonna be like when radiohead called scott tennorman lame

well good work everyone, let's call it a day

This was a nice thread once

on the flip side there was this girl I knew when I was younger who always used to make dead baby jokes and then

she gave birth to a baby and then killed it

dude Whiney where is that small faces line from that is LOL

i dont think anyone said whether gay ppl should or should not be offended

I tried to get a sentence in there explaining that this isn't what I'm saying ("while I recognize that this is about your/our/anybody's response/reading" = "I/you/we are uncomfortable with one usage that seems homophobic/hateful but find another usage nuanced/narrative/whatever"): my point is that drawing those distinctions is a kinda grotesque attempt on behalf of the privileged. Everybody understands this point pretty well with racist language: just don't use it. Don't try to explain how your usage isn't actually racist or whatever. Just don't say that shit. Decent rule also with "faggot" if you're straight.

^^^otm

dude Whiney where is that small faces line from that is LOL

― garage rock is usually very land-based (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, March 14, 2011 6:31 PM (19 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

my own play on J.D's "Money Aint A Thang" line "I been spending hundreds since they had small faces"

kids don't even say these words anymore, they just say japan

[Big L]
I got styles you can't copy bitch, it's the triple six
in the mix, straight from H-E-double-hockey sticks
Every Sunday, a nun lay from my gun spray
Fuck Carlito, we doin' shit the Devil Son's way
Every minute, my style switches up, they said a real man
won't hit a girl well I ain't real cause I beat bitches up
I use words that's ill, L got nerves of steel
I'm cool, but every now and then I get a urge to kill
I'm takin lives for a great price, I'm the type
to snap in heaven with a Mac-11 and rape Christ
And I'm fast to put a cap in a fag chest
The Big L smash stress, cause hell is my address
I'm on some satanic shit, strictly, little kids
be wakin up cryin, yellin, "Mommy Big L is comin to get me!"

http://pressrewind.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/bigl_source495.jpg

A big part of the reason I fuck with OF is that they remind me of some of the kids I used to hang out with in high school, right down to the rape jokes and casual homophobia. The only thing that's really changed today is the access to and documentation of how kids talk. I mean this was some shit we'd say in a garage or on the basketball court or in a skatepark. Now it's digestible and permanent.

I just read a paragraph from someone wistful for the casual homophobia of youth.

man i remember that big l piece from the source

quick someone post that "authenticity" book again xp

is big l's music less effective since he didn't beat up the woman interviewer?

noz, it's possible you need the vicarious distance OF allows, but I'm sure you can find casually homophobic people who make rape jokes your own age if you try hard enough.

Big L ref'ing "Budda Bless," way ahead of the Thai dancehall guest spot trend

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vthkdfsjmO4

Hi I'm new here so I don't yet know who is a trollish asshole and who just doesn't read well. To play it on the safe side I'm going to very calmly and carefully explain my earlier post to the one da croupier: I was saying that these kids are similar to the types of kids I grew up with. (a) This appeals to me for nostalgic reasons not relating to casual homophobia (b) but sometimes a degree of casual homophobia does come with that personality type.

People who aren't head to toe politically correct - especially young kids - can still be fun, likable and downright good. They just say stupid things sometimes.

HEY GUYS THAT SYD TRACK UPTHREAD IS DOPE

yeah but tyler's thing isn't just calling ppl "fagg0t" in a casual bro-sorta context... it's saying shit like "whoa whoa, NO HOMO... i ain't GAY... fagg0t" on his trax, which goes a bit beyond casual banter in his world of young ppl

― thank you ilxor for starting this much needed thread (ilxor), Monday, 14 March 2011 21:01 (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol yeah guys ilxor thinks tyler invented "no homo".

everyone else: stfu this is stupid.

GUYS. SHOW GO ON!

also Big L is awesome

da croupier = anthon0ny m1cci0

Anthonony

haha why am i being outed?

This appeals to me for nostalgic reasons not relating to casual homophobia

Sorry I didn't read A big part of the reason I fuck with OF is that they remind me of some of the kids I used to hang out with in high school, right down to the rape jokes and casual homophobia well

whoops

sorry if my pc-ness bothered you too, j0rdan

heh, pc-ness

if only some group would document the ignorant spirit of the "me chinese" jokes that filled my 8 year old heart with glee

So it's safe to assume trollish asshole then? What with the prolonged bickering over a poorly structured and already clarified sentence on an internet message board and all.

Because I found the idea of your post offensive and hilarious.

Yo, there's these trap cats in Atlanta that literally put peepee in your coke

Trollish asshole it is.

sorry if my pc-ness bothered you too, j0rdan

― da croupier, Monday, March 14, 2011 7:30 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

lol it didn't

okay lmfao @ whiney's last post

everyone here knows who pretty much everyone else is, didn't think 'outing' you to noz was some huge deal

what was the point, though?

PS yeah syd the kyd - "flashlight" is like top 5 songs of this year for me (it did come out this year right? or was i just sleeping?)

It's okay Jordan. I don't have the slightest clue who anthon0ny m1cci0 is irl.