ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL

well i'm certainly not wearing a sweater that says "free this nigga"

― J0rdan S., Thursday, March 10, 2011 9:26 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark

now that i know it's impossible to offend anyone born after 1986 with harmless li'l words i should ask j0rdan if he'd wear a sweater that said "free this faggot jew"

as a faggot jew myself, maybe

j@son furl@nd wasn't drawing the good kind of swastikas

honestly i thought this was the post that was gonna earn j0rdan a pile-on:

I haven't read this yet but feminist critique of music almost always sucks

― pascal's swagger (J0rdan S.), Friday, March 4, 2011 4:21 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i never said it was 'cool' that he said faggot

― deej, Monday, March 14, 2011 5:24 PM (29 seconds ago) Bookmark

"it's more understandable"

feminist (and other -ist) critique of music almost always sucks because ppl forget to talk about whether the music sounds good

"it's more understandable"

― J0rdan S., Monday, March 14, 2011 4:25 PM (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i said that with that context, its more bearable for a listener

that is not the same thing at all

i was listening to these UK grime tapes where dudes are always talking about "smoking fags," is that more or less understandable than Big L

deej, what's the over/under on how poor you have top be to say faggot?

feminist (and other -ist) critique of music almost always sucks because ppl forget to talk about whether the music sounds good

― J0rdan S., Monday, March 14, 2011 4:25 PM (43 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

dude, i guarantee in a year or two u will look back on this & be like, "wait"

deej, what's the over/under on how poor you have top be to say faggot?

― i been serving humble pie since he had small faces (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, March 14, 2011 4:27 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i was raised on welfare & dont say 'faggot' so do try to pay attention to the words im actually saying instead of the words you wish i was saying so you could turn this thread into another idiotfest

maybe we did not invent it but i think j0rdan & i's generation brought this to the next level ito both absolute offensiveness of content & it being more widespread & ubiquitous, reaching tuff kids nerds jocks skateboarders rap fans alike. & also ito becoming so commonplace & a natural part of our language. don't deny previous generations did it to a great degree & don't think it's necessarily part of a greater trend of descent but just like i was really young when i first watched south park, what is the precedent that was as or more offensive for previous generations?

you brought it to the internet via 4chan, thats it.

i'd broadly agree but slightly shift what deej said about context being important - it's more about what else the artist can bring to the table; like i enjoy several JA dancehall artists who i'm sure are actually homophobic (and as j0rdan says i don't think that OF are IRL), because i get so much else out of buju banton/beenie man songs. and that's been the case for most rappers who've dropped the occasional "faggot" too. it's just not the case here.

so yeah, i can't honestly say "faggot" or other expressions homophobia are dealbreakers for me, but even w/artists i love it's still something that should be called out and not just tolerated - if i'd got to interview nicki i'd 100% have pulled her up on letting eminem say "faggot" on "roman's revenge" - and when it's deliberately put front & centre of an act's schtick as it is here, well, sure that's what the conversation should be about.

i was listening to these UK grime tapes where dudes are always talking about "smoking fags," is that more or less understandable than Big L

looooool A+

im critiquing the music here. the entire subtext of L's music was that he was coming from a violent place. as a listener, to me, this makes it less in-your-face ... its part of the entire world he creates as an artist. w/ odd future, that world is just kids who like to use offensive shock-tactics, and tyler's occasional forays into psychological impact of his dad leaving him dont strike me as being deep enough contextually, are too limited & uncommon, to make up for this

this doesnt mean tyler's not a nicer guy than big l. it just means that doesnt matter

hey ilxor, stfu

i'd broadly agree but slightly shift what deej said about context being important - it's more about what else the artist can bring to the table;

^^^this is waht i was saying fyi

hey ilxor, stfu

when you get your next sb and go on a huge whinefest about how you're never coming back if they do this to you again, remember that within days of your unbanning you were being a worthless shithead again with unconstructive, pointless "stfu"s @ ppl

hey ilxor, stfu

oh sorry, didn't mean to A+ whiney's comment there, total accident- deej otm

*crawls back into "idk" cave*

sigh

^^ deej otm

so calling me a 'worthless shithead' is ok but telling ilxor to ease off his diarrhea posting style crosses some line?

i was raised on welfare & dont say 'faggot' so do try to pay attention to the words im actually saying instead of the words you wish i was saying so you could turn this thread into another idiotfest

― deej, Monday, March 14, 2011 Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

This really is A+.

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so calling me a 'worthless shithead' is ok but telling ilxor to ease off his diarrhea posting style crosses some line?

as the guy who specializes in hairsplitting you should appreciate this one, pal: I didn't say you're a worthless shithead; I said you were being one

deej aint one to talk about diarrhea posting style imo

anyway- outta here!

golf wang 666 fuck steve harvey

before this goes any further i want to highlight the part where there seems to be some misunderstanding:

"the entire subtext of his career was the fighting-for-your-life growing up in harlem where ppl get shot on a daily basis ('street struck,') the violence & shock tactics are intended to draw attention to how supposedly-evil its made him -- he doesnt throw around 'faggot' to one up ppl on twitter"

in other words, the subtext here is his CAREER, as in his MUSIC, not his life or how poor he 'actually was' -- i dont know why u guys assume i meant 'because hes poor and from the streets hes allowd to say faggot!' except that you have some caricature of who i am and what i think in your heads at all times

i dont know why i rile so many of you dudes up so badly considering jordan's the one in here saying shit like 'all feminist critiques of music are worthless' except that hes got more e-friends

everybody poopsposts

"he doesnt throw around 'faggot' to one up ppl on twitter"

And this distinction matters... oh wait it doesn't.

don't get mad doggie

& further, lead singer of iron & wine, if telling ilxor to stfu means i get permabanned than i want to be permabanned bcuz i dont really want to participate in a discussion forum where i cant occasionally tell a poster to stfu

And this distinction matters... oh wait it doesn't.

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, March 14, 2011 4:54 PM (39 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

in terms of the quality of the music & my interest in listening to it, it does

i dont know why u guys assume i meant 'because hes poor and from the streets hes allowd to say faggot!' except

when multiple ppl are reading something differently than you intended, it means that you probably worded it wrong

because that's pretty much what your post said

get yr 'îron & wine game up, rap

btw i said feminist critique of music "almost always" (not "all") sucks -- i could expound on that but it doesn't seem pertinent

xxxp no no it's cool because HIS PERSONA is that he's poor and from the streets.

because that's pretty much what your post said

― J0rdan S., Monday, March 14, 2011 4:56 PM (48 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i copy and pasted it seconds ago. do you still think that?

it was just so nice being able to follow and enjoy conversations about rap music while you were gone is all w/o this posing, hardman fronting shit you pull is all. you're a guy with a broad base of knowledge in music I care about and much to share, but as soon as any rap thread threatens to get interesting, you just start shitting all over the place, and it's just such a bummer. Jordan's full of shit in the line you quote too but I hardly see what it has to do w/anything other than your weird cliquish take on how ilx works ("If Jordan said something stupid & I did too omg unfair!" -- bad look man), frankly "feminist critiques of music are worthless" seems like such a self-invalidating point (really? without google, which feminists are you talking about? even with google, "worthless" is pretty intense, you might wanna bear that out a little) that one just ignores it. But here if it'll make you happy, Jordan that's an idiotic thing to say

you rile people up badly because you are incapable of admitting that when, over the course of many years, people tend to hear your speech/writing a certain way, ~the problem is probably not their preconceived notions of you, but something about how you talk/write.~ I don't think my voice sounds nasal, but 20 years of people saying so leads me to understand that yes, it does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VePxbFQ-qfw

get yr 'îron & wine game up, rap

― i been serving humble pie since he had small faces (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, March 14, 2011 4:57 PM (19 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

nicci wayne coyne

in terms of the quality of the music & my interest in listening to it, it does

http://www.principledinnovation.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/Authenticity%20Cover%20low-res.jpg

if telling ilxor to stfu means i get permabanned than i want to be permabanned bcuz i dont really want to participate in a discussion forum where i cant occasionally tell a poster to stfu

dude i understand & certainly am appreciative of the occasional "stfu" from folks, but to burn yr stfu pass on me saying "lol A+" to whiney is not the best use of yr stfu pass; pick yr battles!

you could read the context of big l's music in the opposite manner of deej anyway & you'd also be right

xxxp no no it's cool because HIS PERSONA is that he's poor and from the streets.

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, March 14, 2011 4:58 PM (5 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

no, his music is about something more.

and like i said, big l's stuff is sometimes 'reprehensible.' i never said he was more morally righteous. i just said his music was more listenable to me because his entire career was a project in bringing a particular context & mentality alive w/ music. this included reprehensible aspects but bcuz he was so artful w/ that context it made that stuff work, that even the offensive parts served a greater purpose

i happen to think that purpose is much, much thinner w/ odd future.

and realize that j0rdan's argument here is essentially, 'because lots of music deej loves has bad parts, he has no right to criticize bad parts in this music,' which is not really a tenable position

whiney this has nothing to do w/ 'authenticity' u goof, im sure that tyler is authentically true to himself too

i'm just excited to learn that m. ward posts here! love your shit bro

"i happen to think that purpose is much, much thinner w/ odd future."

Sounds pretty arbitrary.