ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL

its not 'an excuse' dude! him putting a ring around a girl's eye is reprehensible. but big l was never on the cover of billboard or performing on late night shows (he was too hardcore for arsenio for fucks sake) & yes it being street rap does give violent language a different context

J0rdan it has nothing to do with GENERATION POKEMON or whatever shit, it has everything to do with being TEENAGERS. And anyone who cant remember dudes throwing around "faggot" and "rape" and swastika shit in high school has been an adult far too long

deej your argument of "big l saw a lot of violence and grew up poor so it's cool for him to rap constantly about killing faggots" is pretty condescending

lex, you're someone that is v vocal about hating "comedy" so your dislike of OF is not surprising in the least to me

thing is, most of my favourite rappers i actually love because i find them funny...like OF are way less overtly "comedic" than ludacris or nicki minaj

i remember j@son furl@nd drew swatikas on his notebook in 5th grade i was like woah dude but his sisters were sluts and i think he drank already. he gave himself a prison tattoo with a needle and thread and india ink in 7th grade art class. he like iron maiden and black sabbath and shit but then in jr high he got into hip hop.

and oh yeah the jerk girls - see that is ridiculous and slightly misanthropic teenage humour that i'm 100% down with

j0rdan theres a reason ppl argue that tyler is at his most interesting when hes talking about stuff like lilsoulbrother was talking about ... empty shock is nothing, it becomes a statement when there's come kind of context. and frankly the contextual stuff here is a whole lot thinner than it was for big l

deej your argument of "big l saw a lot of violence and grew up poor so it's cool for him to rap constantly about killing faggots" is pretty condescending

― J0rdan S., Monday, March 14, 2011 4:19 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

its also not what im saying. read harder

there's always the kid in school who draws swastikas on his folders - it's always a him - and tries to claim they're the other way round

i knew a kid that tattooed a swatiska on the bottom of his foot with india ink

its also not what im saying. read harder

― deej, Monday, March 14, 2011 5:20 PM (54 seconds ago) Bookmark

lol this is what you said, sorry

deej i get the argument you're making but the way you went straight to "but he was from HARLEM" was kinda lol

There's a band called "No, They're The Good Swastikas" and if you never heard some kid say that in high school, then you must have went to some prissy frou-frou private school

also i'm sure if twitter was popping in 1995 that big l would've dropped a "faggot" every so often

harlem, where the life expectancy is equivelant to a third world country? where he was murdered bcuz his brother was involved in drugs & L got killed out of revenge? cmon

lol this is what you said, sorry

― J0rdan S., Monday, March 14, 2011 4:22 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i never said it was 'cool' that he said faggot

well i'm certainly not wearing a sweater that says "free this nigga"

― J0rdan S., Thursday, March 10, 2011 9:26 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark

now that i know it's impossible to offend anyone born after 1986 with harmless li'l words i should ask j0rdan if he'd wear a sweater that said "free this faggot jew"

as a faggot jew myself, maybe

j@son furl@nd wasn't drawing the good kind of swastikas

honestly i thought this was the post that was gonna earn j0rdan a pile-on:

I haven't read this yet but feminist critique of music almost always sucks

― pascal's swagger (J0rdan S.), Friday, March 4, 2011 4:21 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i never said it was 'cool' that he said faggot

― deej, Monday, March 14, 2011 5:24 PM (29 seconds ago) Bookmark

"it's more understandable"

feminist (and other -ist) critique of music almost always sucks because ppl forget to talk about whether the music sounds good

"it's more understandable"

― J0rdan S., Monday, March 14, 2011 4:25 PM (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i said that with that context, its more bearable for a listener

that is not the same thing at all

i was listening to these UK grime tapes where dudes are always talking about "smoking fags," is that more or less understandable than Big L

deej, what's the over/under on how poor you have top be to say faggot?

feminist (and other -ist) critique of music almost always sucks because ppl forget to talk about whether the music sounds good

― J0rdan S., Monday, March 14, 2011 4:25 PM (43 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

dude, i guarantee in a year or two u will look back on this & be like, "wait"

deej, what's the over/under on how poor you have top be to say faggot?

― i been serving humble pie since he had small faces (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, March 14, 2011 4:27 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i was raised on welfare & dont say 'faggot' so do try to pay attention to the words im actually saying instead of the words you wish i was saying so you could turn this thread into another idiotfest

maybe we did not invent it but i think j0rdan & i's generation brought this to the next level ito both absolute offensiveness of content & it being more widespread & ubiquitous, reaching tuff kids nerds jocks skateboarders rap fans alike. & also ito becoming so commonplace & a natural part of our language. don't deny previous generations did it to a great degree & don't think it's necessarily part of a greater trend of descent but just like i was really young when i first watched south park, what is the precedent that was as or more offensive for previous generations?

you brought it to the internet via 4chan, thats it.

i'd broadly agree but slightly shift what deej said about context being important - it's more about what else the artist can bring to the table; like i enjoy several JA dancehall artists who i'm sure are actually homophobic (and as j0rdan says i don't think that OF are IRL), because i get so much else out of buju banton/beenie man songs. and that's been the case for most rappers who've dropped the occasional "faggot" too. it's just not the case here.

so yeah, i can't honestly say "faggot" or other expressions homophobia are dealbreakers for me, but even w/artists i love it's still something that should be called out and not just tolerated - if i'd got to interview nicki i'd 100% have pulled her up on letting eminem say "faggot" on "roman's revenge" - and when it's deliberately put front & centre of an act's schtick as it is here, well, sure that's what the conversation should be about.

i was listening to these UK grime tapes where dudes are always talking about "smoking fags," is that more or less understandable than Big L

looooool A+

im critiquing the music here. the entire subtext of L's music was that he was coming from a violent place. as a listener, to me, this makes it less in-your-face ... its part of the entire world he creates as an artist. w/ odd future, that world is just kids who like to use offensive shock-tactics, and tyler's occasional forays into psychological impact of his dad leaving him dont strike me as being deep enough contextually, are too limited & uncommon, to make up for this

this doesnt mean tyler's not a nicer guy than big l. it just means that doesnt matter

hey ilxor, stfu

i'd broadly agree but slightly shift what deej said about context being important - it's more about what else the artist can bring to the table;

^^^this is waht i was saying fyi

hey ilxor, stfu

when you get your next sb and go on a huge whinefest about how you're never coming back if they do this to you again, remember that within days of your unbanning you were being a worthless shithead again with unconstructive, pointless "stfu"s @ ppl

hey ilxor, stfu

oh sorry, didn't mean to A+ whiney's comment there, total accident- deej otm

*crawls back into "idk" cave*

sigh

^^ deej otm

so calling me a 'worthless shithead' is ok but telling ilxor to ease off his diarrhea posting style crosses some line?

i was raised on welfare & dont say 'faggot' so do try to pay attention to the words im actually saying instead of the words you wish i was saying so you could turn this thread into another idiotfest

― deej, Monday, March 14, 2011 Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

This really is A+.

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so calling me a 'worthless shithead' is ok but telling ilxor to ease off his diarrhea posting style crosses some line?

as the guy who specializes in hairsplitting you should appreciate this one, pal: I didn't say you're a worthless shithead; I said you were being one

deej aint one to talk about diarrhea posting style imo

anyway- outta here!

golf wang 666 fuck steve harvey

before this goes any further i want to highlight the part where there seems to be some misunderstanding:

"the entire subtext of his career was the fighting-for-your-life growing up in harlem where ppl get shot on a daily basis ('street struck,') the violence & shock tactics are intended to draw attention to how supposedly-evil its made him -- he doesnt throw around 'faggot' to one up ppl on twitter"

in other words, the subtext here is his CAREER, as in his MUSIC, not his life or how poor he 'actually was' -- i dont know why u guys assume i meant 'because hes poor and from the streets hes allowd to say faggot!' except that you have some caricature of who i am and what i think in your heads at all times

i dont know why i rile so many of you dudes up so badly considering jordan's the one in here saying shit like 'all feminist critiques of music are worthless' except that hes got more e-friends

everybody poopsposts

"he doesnt throw around 'faggot' to one up ppl on twitter"

And this distinction matters... oh wait it doesn't.

don't get mad doggie

& further, lead singer of iron & wine, if telling ilxor to stfu means i get permabanned than i want to be permabanned bcuz i dont really want to participate in a discussion forum where i cant occasionally tell a poster to stfu

And this distinction matters... oh wait it doesn't.

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, March 14, 2011 4:54 PM (39 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

in terms of the quality of the music & my interest in listening to it, it does