ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL

no one tyler's age or earl's age would find the phrase "that faggot nigga b.o.b." to be offensive -- this is the world, you guys

apparently syd doesn't, but ... really? even if they were queer?

anyway i still can't play these records in my house because you know what, my friends might not understand that they shouldn't be offended by all the "faggot" stuff because hey, it's 2011, and this is hip-hop. it's a problem for at least some of the audience, why is that not worth talking about?

j0rdan just wants to reassure the olds that his generation is the shittiest generation

ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once

I can't get over "I raped you in x box" tbh

why is that not worth talking about?

― just woke up (lukas), Monday, March 14, 2011 5:06 PM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark

lol everyone has talked about this so much -- anyway i think it's barely worth talking about because it's a genre/generational thing that is not unique to odd future -- we've talked about this too

if ppl are put off by their lyrics i totally understand that & think they should say that

shakey i heard "rape" used in that context like 3 million times when i was in high school

also ilxor is wrong -- tyler is far from big l

do we think that ofwgkta's appropriation of the swastika means that they think jews are inferior people that should be eliminated from the earth

lol everyone has talked about this so much

maybe i should re-read, but i seem to remember every exchange going like "hey this is sort of bothering me" greeted by "rmde, have you ever listened to hip-hop before"

well the "have you ever listened to hip hop" point is a valid one imo

ofwgkta's appropriation of the swastika

okay hold up, what??? lol

shocking!!

do we think that ofwgkta's appropriation of the swastika means that they think jews are inferior people that should be eliminated from the earth

― J0rdan S., Monday, March 14, 2011 5:09 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

no it makes them boring nihilistic douchebags who aren't that different from the white kids who think it's hilarious to say the N word 24/7 because they soooo aren't racist

anyway thx for the new display name. im out, gonna listen to more GOLF WANG b4 i keep saying how offended i am (not all that much, really, but there are lots of better rappers using far fewer slurs & rape joeks, so i'm still wondering "why bother?")

i don't think tyler is a homophobe nor do i think that he's someone that condones rape -- it is really a generational thing with people that are my age and younger (and this was used by em when he had to defend himself against homophobe allegations) where words, esp slurs, mean less than they used to -- and it's not just "faggot" either, like ime hispanic kids will say "nigga" all the time & to & in the presence of black kids & it's just seen as a normal word -- same with "rape" being used as a verb i.e. "i raped you in x box" -- i'm not condoning any of that esp for ppl that ARE my age and are long out of high school, but it's a thing i think ppl should understand

― J0rdan S., Monday, March 14, 2011 4:57 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is, dare i say, retarded

i'm cool w/ anyone thinking they're "boring nihilistic douchebags" -- i would disagree on many levels, but taste is taste!

there really arent tons of rap artists who revel in this kind of stuff. even the big l comparison is bonkers ... the entire subtext of his career was the fighting-for-your-life growing up in harlem where ppl get shot on a daily basis ('street struck,') the violence & shock tactics are intended to draw attention to how supposedly-evil its made him -- he doesnt throw around 'faggot' to one up ppl on twitter

the artists i can think of who DO revel in this stuff arent critically acclaimed either, tho they tend to be loved by dom passantino

"retarded" is hate speech, iirc

this is, dare i say, retarded

― i been serving humble pie since he had small faces (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, March 14, 2011 5:14 PM (48 seconds ago) Bookmark

i'm not making any excuses -- but ppl should understand where this kinda shit comes from

lol deej don't make an excuse for big l

j0rdan, the only thing your generation has produced thus far is "You just lost THE GAME" and you certainly didn't invent tossed off swear words

j0rdan it's not a generational thing, it's a teenager thing, and it's not an interesting teenager thing either. it wouldn't necessarily be a dealbreaker but when it's so front & centre, and there's little else that i'm latching on to except, like, gross-out jokes...

lex, you're someone that is v vocal about hating "comedy" so your dislike of OF is not surprising in the least to me

wait swastikas?

its not 'an excuse' dude! him putting a ring around a girl's eye is reprehensible. but big l was never on the cover of billboard or performing on late night shows (he was too hardcore for arsenio for fucks sake) & yes it being street rap does give violent language a different context

J0rdan it has nothing to do with GENERATION POKEMON or whatever shit, it has everything to do with being TEENAGERS. And anyone who cant remember dudes throwing around "faggot" and "rape" and swastika shit in high school has been an adult far too long

deej your argument of "big l saw a lot of violence and grew up poor so it's cool for him to rap constantly about killing faggots" is pretty condescending

lex, you're someone that is v vocal about hating "comedy" so your dislike of OF is not surprising in the least to me

thing is, most of my favourite rappers i actually love because i find them funny...like OF are way less overtly "comedic" than ludacris or nicki minaj

i remember j@son furl@nd drew swatikas on his notebook in 5th grade i was like woah dude but his sisters were sluts and i think he drank already. he gave himself a prison tattoo with a needle and thread and india ink in 7th grade art class. he like iron maiden and black sabbath and shit but then in jr high he got into hip hop.

and oh yeah the jerk girls - see that is ridiculous and slightly misanthropic teenage humour that i'm 100% down with

j0rdan theres a reason ppl argue that tyler is at his most interesting when hes talking about stuff like lilsoulbrother was talking about ... empty shock is nothing, it becomes a statement when there's come kind of context. and frankly the contextual stuff here is a whole lot thinner than it was for big l

deej your argument of "big l saw a lot of violence and grew up poor so it's cool for him to rap constantly about killing faggots" is pretty condescending

― J0rdan S., Monday, March 14, 2011 4:19 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

its also not what im saying. read harder

there's always the kid in school who draws swastikas on his folders - it's always a him - and tries to claim they're the other way round

i knew a kid that tattooed a swatiska on the bottom of his foot with india ink

its also not what im saying. read harder

― deej, Monday, March 14, 2011 5:20 PM (54 seconds ago) Bookmark

lol this is what you said, sorry

deej i get the argument you're making but the way you went straight to "but he was from HARLEM" was kinda lol

There's a band called "No, They're The Good Swastikas" and if you never heard some kid say that in high school, then you must have went to some prissy frou-frou private school

also i'm sure if twitter was popping in 1995 that big l would've dropped a "faggot" every so often

harlem, where the life expectancy is equivelant to a third world country? where he was murdered bcuz his brother was involved in drugs & L got killed out of revenge? cmon

lol this is what you said, sorry

― J0rdan S., Monday, March 14, 2011 4:22 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i never said it was 'cool' that he said faggot

well i'm certainly not wearing a sweater that says "free this nigga"

― J0rdan S., Thursday, March 10, 2011 9:26 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark

now that i know it's impossible to offend anyone born after 1986 with harmless li'l words i should ask j0rdan if he'd wear a sweater that said "free this faggot jew"

as a faggot jew myself, maybe

j@son furl@nd wasn't drawing the good kind of swastikas

honestly i thought this was the post that was gonna earn j0rdan a pile-on:

I haven't read this yet but feminist critique of music almost always sucks

― pascal's swagger (J0rdan S.), Friday, March 4, 2011 4:21 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i never said it was 'cool' that he said faggot

― deej, Monday, March 14, 2011 5:24 PM (29 seconds ago) Bookmark

"it's more understandable"

feminist (and other -ist) critique of music almost always sucks because ppl forget to talk about whether the music sounds good

"it's more understandable"

― J0rdan S., Monday, March 14, 2011 4:25 PM (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i said that with that context, its more bearable for a listener

that is not the same thing at all

i was listening to these UK grime tapes where dudes are always talking about "smoking fags," is that more or less understandable than Big L

deej, what's the over/under on how poor you have top be to say faggot?

feminist (and other -ist) critique of music almost always sucks because ppl forget to talk about whether the music sounds good

― J0rdan S., Monday, March 14, 2011 4:25 PM (43 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

dude, i guarantee in a year or two u will look back on this & be like, "wait"

deej, what's the over/under on how poor you have top be to say faggot?

― i been serving humble pie since he had small faces (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, March 14, 2011 4:27 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i was raised on welfare & dont say 'faggot' so do try to pay attention to the words im actually saying instead of the words you wish i was saying so you could turn this thread into another idiotfest