frat rap

is there a name for the self-perpetuating cycle of distribution that happens at American colleges, like the scene of a doe-eyed freshmen arriving on campus and being given a burned Pavement CD with a "Listen to this! It'll blow yer mind" uttered by some wizened, alt junior

At one point it would have been 'college radio trainee orientation'

Haha Ned served that function for me as a homeschooled 14 yr old getting into Dinosaur Jr

Wait...I did? How?

Dude, allmusic.com changed my life. I think I read your review of "Where You Been" and DL'd the whole thing, eventually buying all the albums.

Ned's reviews got me into Nick Drake iirc

at a similar age

Really, I spent an obscene amount of time tracking down bands on there. Anything that mentioned "stuttering feedback snorts" etc. was guaranteed a listen. Once you get a fuzz habit, the tendency is to push it as far as it can go.

Homeschooling can really fuck a kid up, but by golly I was hip. I was pretty sure I was the only kid in town who listened to "Hex". Then again, I didnt know any other kids : p

try breaking out of your shell

Nah, its very refined and cosy in here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JOl3YaDCQI

Nutty. Well, glad to be able to help! Seriously, that's pretty cool.

i hate to be this guy, but franklin this isn't THAT ned raggett

Please, I'm trying to help him here and you are shattering his crystal palace.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

also like frat audiences are responsible for like 95% of the dubstep bought in america, mostly by people youve never heard of, with like the other 5% being the dubstep pitchfork writes about and we post about

― Whiney On The Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, March 13, 2011 5:04 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

seriously over the last year or so i've had so many confused conversations with people about dubstep who're like 'oh rad you like dubstep?? who do you like??' and i'll mention some names and they'll mention some names and we'll slowly realize there's literally no overlap

i've been trying to figure out why this is

dubstep is just an illusion hoos

flopson otm about dubstep!

i had genuinely assumed mac miller was a comedian. rather than just "as morally reprehensible as a comedian"

saying you like "dubstep" is like saying you like "pop" or "rock" or "indie"

yeah i guess it is the 2k11 equivalent of using "techno" to mean "all electronic dance music"

its definitely an internet myopia thing on your part HOOS. Like the circles we travel (Pitchfork, Quitus, Dusted, Brooklyn Vegan, blogs, ILX) treat dubstep as this post-Burial thing of murky sounds and moody textures (King Midas Sound, 2562, James Blake, Mount Kimbie, Shakleton, Zomby). Meanwhile--mostly thanks to Caspa & Rusko--there's been a whole other scene taking over bro-dudes who are into things like Coachella and Deadmu5 (Skrillex, Bassnectar, Trillbass, Boregore).

Problem is, rock critics only cover the former, and I think I like the brostep latter BETTER.

its def like when you say "indie rock" you mean Arcade Fire and Sonic Youth, but to other people it means Owl City and She & Him and Mumford & Sons and Kings Of Leon (ie, shit that gets half the writeups of the shit we like but sells enormo numbers)

its def like when you say "indie rock" you mean Arcade Fire and Sonic Youth, but to other people it means Owl City and She & Him and Mumford & Sons and Kings Of Leon (ie, shit that gets half the writeups of the shit we like but sells enormo numbers)

this is otm but in order to retain my cheery disposition I have to pretend he is notm

I would def lump Arcade Fire in with Owl City and She & Him and Mumford & Sons and Kings Of Leon and not with Sonic Youth.

challops4u

wow, I must be really out of touch -- I'd have assumed quote-unquote "fratty" electronic tastes would run more toward that big grinding straightahead electroish stuff like Deadmau5 or Skrillex

Whiney mentioned both of them a few posts back!

oops sorry Whiney, you just said that! but do folks really conceive of that stuff as "dubstep????" I guess I think of it as some kind of electro / house post-Daft Punk world where everything is big and obvious and robotic because Human After All somehow convinced bros that you could listen to electronic music in the same big-slabs-of-noise spirit you'd listen to nu-metal

but do folks really conceive of that stuff as "dubstep????"

They do now. In fact that post of Whiney's so perfectly crystallizes the split in conception/definition at work that I won't be able to think of it any other way.

xp bros listened to Prodigy and Fatboy Slim too..

yeah, googling "skrillex dubstep" really firmly answered that question for me. meanwhile, the 8 billion publicity emails I've gotten about him all just say "electro."

xpost -- prodigy seems exactly right!

Crystal Method too. All that 'mainstream' big beat stuff, bros listened to. I remember someone 10 years ago - could've been on ilm - making fun of bros for saying they liked electronica "because they listened to Sasha & Digweed."

Justice surely is another bridge at work here.

where's your head at

btw, I imagine it's super-rare that I type the exact same sentence as Whiney about something, but:

what hath asher roth wrought

^ this is, verbatim, the sentence I used when I heard Tom Hanks's son rapping about Northwestern ("White and Purple") and shouting out dorms

i followed rapping hanks son on twitter for a min, he wasnt even funny :/

i'm the rappin hanks and i'm here to say

In fact that post of Whiney's so perfectly crystallizes the split in conception/definition at work that I won't be able to think of it any other way.

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, March 13, 2011 12:42 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is like the tiniest of small victories, but feels good nonetheless :)

Yeah the Big Beat era version of brostep was like def Crystal Method. Except stuff like Prodigy/Fatboy Slim def had both Spin/bro crossover. I don't think ANY dubstep/"dubstep" artist is successfully reaching both audiences right now!

yeah the "The Two Dubsteps" thing is def a separate matter, I was just responding to the "now bros think it's ok to listen to electronic music" thing.

The Two Dubsteps reminds me of The Two Emos.. seems like there was pop punk emo and then there was mopey biebergoth emo.. i dunno

http://grab.by/9rPk

"The Two Dubsteps"

I guess I think of it as some kind of electro / house post-Daft Punk world where everything is big and obvious and robotic because Human After All somehow convinced bros that you could listen to electronic music in the same big-slabs-of-noise spirit you'd listen to nu-metal

can we please not mention one of the secretly best albums of the '00s in connection w/ this mass popularization of electro/dubstep ;_;

yeah, that band that sells out arenas and scores disney movies is a huge secret. don't tell anyone

seems like there was pop punk emo and then there was mopey biebergoth emo.. i dunno

― Kerm, Sunday, March 13, 2011 1:10 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Yeah, but mopeyemo had like a solid 10 years of indie-level post-Rites Of Spring star tattoo messenger bag ish before the other thing sort of grew as a logical mainstream Alt-Press extension of it. The two dubsteps both sort of came to their peaks of attention at the same time!

which is why it's confusing. It's not like the 10 year gap between Black Flag and Youth Of Today on some "don't call this hardcore, this is not what I call hardcore" hairsplitting. Its two distinct sounds with two distinct audiences, rising at the same time, both with the same name and often completely unaware of the others' existence!

yeah, that band that sells out arenas and scores disney movies is a huge secret. don't tell anyone

one of the secretly best albums of the '00s

i.e. the one everyone writes off as way inferior to Homework (zzzzz) and Discovery

When local clubs around here started putting on dubstep nights is when I first realized "Okay they can't ALL be sitting around listening to Kode9."

I mean, this disparity might say a lot more about the sheltered world that WE (as music nerds/hipsters/indie-type/et al) live in, than the way fratbros react to music. I mean, I had like 900 posts in the last three years like "No one listens to dubstep" when I really meant "No one listens to the type of lol dubstep we talk about, because I'm mostly unaware of this bigger trend also occuring"

deej would you mind if we changed the thread title to "frat rap (also brostep and mainstream-indie discussion too)"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpmkJD26A7E

learning abt "brostep" may force me to redo hipness rankings for some of my casual acquaintances