In Praise Of : New Order's 'Movement'

the premix version of Crystal has an additional bass riff that isn't included in the single or album version. FACT!

Grimly likes "Rock The Shack" now?!?!?!?!

Basically: yes. Honestly, this whole album sounds totally different today. It's full of melodies I've never picked out before; I've always heard it as being grey and sludgy and amorphous, but this is almost revelatory.

Obviously, I'll have to follow up with WFTSC, which I always thought was better but still bollocks in parts. I'm actually not quite as convinced I'll change my opinion about that one, basically because I've listened to it a lot more, and without nearly as much prejudice.

hey people we are in the movement thread here. as great as get ready and waiting for the sirens call are, and they are, movement is playing in a different league. in the joy division league. maybe not at the top. but not at the bottom neither.

^ Yes, absolutely.

movement is playing in a different league. in the joy division league

Are you implying that Joy Division is superior to New Order?

yes, i am. if i had to choose between joy division and new order i would go for joy division. and you?

Are you insane? Joy Division, as good as they were, were pretty much a one-trick pony. It's like... would you rather have BLACK AND WHITE or SPARKLING RAINBOW TECHNICOLOUR SPANGLES OF IRRIDESCENCE?

I'd quite contentedly go the rest of my life without ever hearing a Joy Division album. But life without New Order would not be worth living.

So will this ensuing discussion be more Kirk/Picard or Joel/Mike?

add Ceremony and Procession to the 81/82 FACTUS8 EP and you're left with a collection that rivals or surpasses any collection of Joy Division tunes.

Who the hell are Joel and Mike?

'In the not-too-distant future...'

I mean, we're talking about THE BERNARD.

Who pretty much pwns everything in the history of ever.

I mean, remember when I couldn't decide between the Velvet Underground and Hawkwind? If New Order had been in that contest, I wouldn't have even hesitated. (That was not a suggestion, Kerr.)

It had to be done, I guess...

Joy Division vs. New Order

Christ. It's like being in Dodgy Malcolm's second-hand shop in Layton, circa 1990, all over again :)

TO THE POLL!

sorry about the pedestrian question but in which of the three files is that version? honestly i haven't got the space on my hd for half a gig of new order live stuff.

I already combined everything into one bigass folder ... but I think it was originally in the third file (flac format, running time 4:02). I think the second, much faster version of "Truth" was in the first file.

I'm listening to it again as I write this -- ffs, this is just SAVAGE, maybe the heaviest performance I've ever heard from New Order. It's like proto black metal or something.

too many clicks. too many bullshit ads. thanks anyway.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxpost but Grimly - do check out the 'In Sessions' version of "Rock the Shack" (w/o Bobby G.) - closest they've sounded to JD in recent years and that's really how I got into that song

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/akadaver/bernard-sumner-1-sized.jpg

"Pass the Pernod, thanks."

OK, I'm going through my collection to find more 81-82 gigs. Hearing these songs live is where it's at.

This one's GREAT! Stokvishal, Arnhem in '82. The New Order Gigography claims it's the last gig where they played an all-'Movement'-era set.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/f5v4w6

I don't care if Barney was a twat. MAN, was he hott back then.

Yep. Have you seen this one where he's in short shorts?

He's as hot as his singing, which means: he's gotta work at it.

Oh good lord... how long will that take to load? Nnggg... My lust for Barney knows no sense or rationality. I think he's hottest when he's not really trying.

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Yeah, the funny thing is I don't *always* think he's hot but there's just certain times when it just WORKS. I think the hottest I ever saw him though was the PFD (Pumped Full of Drugs) live video (Lowlife era).

There are lots of times when he looks like a complete and utter pencil necked geek! But he kind of proves just how sexy geeks can be.

I had the weirdest realisation tonight, walking to meet a friend for a drink. I kept thinking about, like... New Order vs. Band X after realising that yes, I would choose them over both the Velvet Underground *and* Hawkwind. And I was trying to think of a band that I *would* pick over New Order. And I realised that I'd pick New Order over Stereolab, I'd pick them over Spacemen 3 by a hair (the only bass player I like better than Will Carruthers would be Peter Hook).

And it's weird, because if you asked me "who's your favourite band?" I'd *never* say New Order; I would probably say Stereolab or Spacemen 3 or the Velvets. But I can not think of a band that I would actually choose over New Order.

I guess they're just not a personality-defining band in the way that Stereolab or Spacemen 3 or the Velvets are - but their music never fails to make me happy.

Yeah, that's how it happened with me, too. In the 80's I would never have said they were my favourite band, and then somewhere along the way it began to occur to me they had created something timeless.

I remember seeing this in the 80s. The BBC did a sort of NO special. There was a cracking version of Age of Consent.

I have the whole show on a VHS in the loft somewhere.

It was simultaneously broadcast in stereo on Radio 1, I had that on cassette (they finished the version of Confusion (or was it Temptation), which faded out on the TV, but god knows where *that* cassette is)

I guess they're just not a personality-defining band in the way that Stereolab or Spacemen 3 or the Velvets are - but their music never fails to make me happy.

Yep, it's like saying your favourite band was the Beatles. it's kinda understood that everyone has regard for them, but to say who you are, you do have to be a bit more specific in your tastes.

(cut me some slack here, I know you don't *all* love the btls.

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You can grab MP3s of the whole session here: http://www.new-order.net/no/audio/ (scroll down to 84 AUG 25)

Perhaps the problem with New Order is that they *don't* have a cult of personality in the way that, say, Joy Division did. But then again, maybe that utterly workmanlike approach to music was a reaction against the whole Ian Curtis mythos. There are lots of bands that claim to be "all about the music, man" but New Order kind of quietly got on with the business of making AMAZING music without making much of a fuss about it.

They're kind of unique in my favourite bands that they kind of don't have a "syllabus" or an image or a lifestyle attached - they're actually quite enigmatic as public figures. And yet the music is so epic and so amazing thatit bulldozes pretty much anything else.

I always thought of it as the Factory 'socialist' ethos. Joint songwriting credits, bass, synths and drums as important - if not more important - than guitar and singing, no band pics on the covers, no prima donnas. It probably all myth and illusion, but I prefer it like that.

Do you think that Barney and Hooky would still be *fighting* like this if it were actually like that? Ha ha.

Print the legend, I say

http://thepowerofindependenttrucking.blogspot.com/2009/04/homage-new-order-western-works-980.html

Incredible sounding FLAC of the Western Works demo including the experimental jam with Cabaret Voltaire. Truth sounds particularly great in a very slow, oppressively solemn sounding take.

thanks for posting this link... downloading now!

Yeah, it's bloody great to hear this with decent sound quality after all these years! My cassette sounds like mud and it always did. Wasn't worth hearing, really. Never heard that track they supposedly did with the Cabs. Just kinda sounded like...early Cabs. Which is fine, but I'm going to keep a healthy sense of skepticism about whether New Order/Rob Gretton were really involved.

Okay people, look. You're supposed to get excited about this. The thread can't just die. You can actually hear HOMAGE now, clearly, okay? YOU CAN HEAR THE SONG CLEARLY FOR THE FIRST TIME. This is an early New Order fan's wet dream. Ah, but never mind. Carry on not caring.

Hey, I care! Downloaded them yesterday, gave a listen.

I haven't expressed much excitement because a) I've been listening to their Scamps, Blackpool show (performed two days before the WW demos!) and b) girls distract me.

ha! just watching that bbc live footage... christ! bernard sumner can't sing for shit, nor can he play guitar very well, even easy stuff. peter hook does the same exact thing in every song, gilian just held down 2 notes on some argegiator preset through the whoe song, and the drumming, while not being as noticeably bad as the rest of them, is sloppy. how on earth did they ever manage to become the best band of the 80's?

therein lies the beauty of new order.

and yet, perfect kiss is out there wild in the world, gainsaying all naysayers.

Okay people, look. You're supposed to get excited about this. The thread can't just die. You can actually hear HOMAGE now, clearly, okay? YOU CAN HEAR THE SONG CLEARLY FOR THE FIRST TIME. This is an early New Order fan's wet dream. Ah, but never mind. Carry on not caring.

'Homage' is not terribly good though, is it?

I have the whole show on a VHS in the loft somewhere.

It was simultaneously broadcast in stereo on Radio 1, I had that on cassette (they finished the version of Confusion (or was it Temptation), which faded out on the TV, but god knows where *that* cassette is)

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Actually, do you know what? I *think* I had the stereo sound from the Radio 1 broadcast fed into the VHS instead of the mono terrestrial sound. So, the NO session continues whereas the BBC pics go to something else.

Still haven't actually found it tho.

Frankly, I spent ages downloading stuff to deal with Flac and RAR files or whatever, and wished I hadn't bothered. Still love Movement though.

NEW ORDER: Movement (Factory).

The clean, industrial sound of New Order fulfills all the expectations that inevitably result from their history (Joy Division) without being predictable. Insistent, itching rhythms underly music that is electronic but human (even romantic!), sometimes beautiful and often melancholy. Only the vocals let it down by their characterlessness. Let's have more passion, please! Bernard Albrecht, Peter Hooke, Gillian Gilbert and Stephen Morris are Very Serious Young People as tracks like "Truth", "Sensors" and "Denial" underline. And there's nothing wrong with that.

(8 out of 10)

Neil Tennant

-Taken from Smash Hits album reviews, November 26th 1981 - page 25.

Note: Everything typed above is how it actually appears.

AHHHH

http://ventsmagazine.com/2018/12/19/new-order-announce-release-of-movement-definitive-edition-boxed-set/

TRACKLISTING
LP / CD1 (original album)
Dreams Never End
Truth
Senses
Chosen Time
ICB
The Him
Doubts Even Here
Denial
CD2 (previously unreleased tracks)

Dreams Never End (Western Works Demo)
Homage (Western Works Demo)
Ceremony (Western Works Demo)
Truth (Western Works Demo)
Are You Ready For This? (Western Works Demo)
The Him (Cargo Demo)
Senses (Cargo Demo)
Truth (Cargo Demo)
Dreams Never End (Cargo Demo)
Mesh (Cargo Demo)
ICB (Cargo Demo)
Procession (Cargo Demo)
Cries And Whispers (Cargo Demo)
Doubts Even Here (Instrumental) (Cargo Demo)
Ceremony (1st Mix – Ceremony Sessions)
Temptation (Alternative 7”)
Procession (Rehearsal Recording)
Chosen Time (Rehearsal Recording)

New Order – Movement DVD
Live Shows
Hurrah’s, NY 1980
In A Lonely Place
Procession
Dreams Never End
Mesh
Truth
Cries & Whispers
Denial
Ceremony
Recorded on 27th September, 1980.
Produced, directed and filmed by Merrill Aldighieri

Peppermint Lounge, NY 1981
In A Lonely Place
Dreams Never End
Chosen Time
ICB
Senses
Denial
Everything’s Gone Green
Hurt – instrumental
Temptation

TV Sessions
Granada Studios 1981
Doubts Even Here
The Him
Procession
Senses
Denial

BBC Riverside 1982
Temptation
Chosen Time
Procession
Hurt – instrumental
Senses
Denial
In A Lonely Place

Extras
Ceremony CoManCHE Student Union 1981
In A Lonely Place Toronto 1981
Temptation Soul Kitchen, Newcastle 1982
Hurt Le Palace, Paris 1982
Procession Le Palace, Paris 1982
Chosen Time Pennies 1982
Truth The Haçienda 1983
ICB Minneapolis 1983

12” Singles
Ceremony (version 1)
Recorded at Eastern Artists Recordings in East Orange, New Jersey, during the US visit the previous September, New Order’s first single might, in an alternative universe, have been Joy Division’s next. The 12” single, originally released in March 1981 (the 7” having been released in January) including the original version of ‘Ceremony’, will feature remastered audio on heavyweight vinyl.
Side 1
Ceremony (version 1)
Side 2
In A Lonely Place
Ceremony (version 2)
The alternative, re-recorded version of ‘Ceremony’ now also featuring Gillian Gilbert in the band was released later in 1981 and will feature the later alternative ‘cream’ sleeve rather than the original green and copper. This 12” will feature remastered audio on heavyweight vinyl.
Side 1
Ceremony (version 2)
Side 2
In A Lonely Place
Everythings Gone Green
Originally released on Factory Benelux in December 1981, this 12” featured Everythings Gone Green, which had previously been on the reverse of the band’s second 7” single ‘Procession’ in September 1981,and ‘Cries And Whispers’ and ‘Mesh’ whose titles were flipped on the cover causing confusion amongst fans and compilers ever since. This 12” will feature remastered audio on heavyweight vinyl.
Side 1
Everythings Gone Green
Side 2
Cries And Whispers
Mesh
Temptation
Featuring the full versions of both tracks this 12” was first release in May 1982 and were the first self-produced released recordings. With ‘Temptation’ being a cast iron New Order classic, this is an essential part of any New Order collection. This 12” will feature remastered audio on heavyweight vinyl.
Side 1
Temptation
Side 2
Hurt

remix:

12” Singles

Ceremony (version 1)

Recorded at Eastern Artists Recordings in East Orange, New Jersey, during the US visit the previous September, New Order’s first single might, in an alternative universe, have been Joy Division’s next. The 12” single, originally released in March 1981 (the 7” having been released in January) including the original version of ‘Ceremony’, will feature remastered audio on heavyweight vinyl.

Side 1

Ceremony (version 1)

Side 2

In A Lonely Place

Ceremony (version 2)

The alternative, re-recorded version of ‘Ceremony’ now also featuring Gillian Gilbert in the band was released later in 1981 and will feature the later alternative ‘cream’ sleeve rather than the original green and copper. This 12” will feature remastered audio on heavyweight vinyl.

Side 1

Ceremony (version 2)

Side 2

In A Lonely Place

Everythings Gone Green

Originally released on Factory Benelux in December 1981, this 12” featured Everythings Gone Green, which had previously been on the reverse of the band’s second 7” single ‘Procession’ in September 1981,and ‘Cries And Whispers’ and ‘Mesh’ whose titles were flipped on the cover causing confusion amongst fans and compilers ever since. This 12” will feature remastered audio on heavyweight vinyl.

Side 1

Everythings Gone Green

Side 2

Cries And Whispers

Mesh

Temptation

Featuring the full versions of both tracks this 12” was first release in May 1982 and were the first self-produced released recordings. With ‘Temptation’ being a cast iron New Order classic, this is an essential part of any New Order collection. This 12” will feature remastered audio on heavyweight vinyl.

Side 1

Temptation

Side 2

Hurt

I am looking forward to this because I never did get the two CD reissues after all the kerfluffle about sound quality, so if this is a full new series, I'm happily on board.