rain gathering in the sky, listening to Sonata No. 2 (Olga Kern, Harmonia Mundi, terrific) - Chopin wins this poll for sure
― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 6 March 2011 00:28 (25 minutes ago)
the german gods sent the rain cuz they knew u were going to decide a damn franco-slav could do sturm und drang better than them
― Leighton Baines (nakhchivan), Sunday, 6 March 2011 00:57 (thirteen years ago) link
it's not the sturm und drang it's the finer feelings that Chopin excels in!
― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 6 March 2011 01:50 (thirteen years ago) link
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_hk2dup6KMsI/TSTllKjZ6iI/AAAAAAAAAWI/AIno1vO3Dsg/s1600/bismarck.jpg
― Leighton Baines (nakhchivan), Sunday, 6 March 2011 01:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Monday, 7 March 2011 00:01 (thirteen years ago) link
ChopinBecause Schubert and Mozart wrote other things besides piano music
― Odult Ariented Rock (Ówen P.), Monday, 7 March 2011 00:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Tuesday, 8 March 2011 00:01 (thirteen years ago) link
dang
― save a tree, write a twitter (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 00:32 (thirteen years ago) link
polonaise in Ab major op 53 olga kern
whole life lived in 6:49
― five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 28 April 2011 20:04 (thirteen years ago) link
paul badura-skoda
everybody remotely interested in this thread get him doing mozart at the very least
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 7 August 2011 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
Thanks. I've been wanting to get into the Mozart sonatas but wasn't sure who to go with. Don't want to hear it overly romanticized.
― corey, Sunday, 7 August 2011 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
^ u need the Ivan Moravec Plays Mozart disc on Supraphon IMO.
Also I believe Aero has repped strong for the period-piano Mozart recordings of Kristian Bezuidenhout before, I really want to check out one of those. I think there are now two volumes on Harmonia Mundi and an earlier one on a smaller label...
― Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Monday, 8 August 2011 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
uchida tbrr
― nakhchivan, Monday, 8 August 2011 17:29 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ79dUvhrXs
― corey, Saturday, 13 August 2011 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
low placement of schubert incomprehensible to me
― j., Sunday, 14 August 2011 01:01 (twelve years ago) link
is he on spotify? could use a good sunday morning mozart sesh
― tine nic (k3vin k.), Sunday, 14 August 2011 01:04 (twelve years ago) link
she is truly one of the greatest pianists of all time imo
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 14 August 2011 01:21 (twelve years ago) link
but badura-skoda on mozart is something that everybody who loves mozart should really hear because he really seems bent on making the voice of the composer audible. just so crisp
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 14 August 2011 01:24 (twelve years ago) link
i love the uchida schubert box
― j., Sunday, 14 August 2011 02:51 (twelve years ago) link
Schubert, and only Schubert, on R3 for the next few days...
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 23 March 2012 22:55 (twelve years ago) link
On the classical thread I was going bonkers recently over Andsnes' recording of the Sonata D958.
― Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Saturday, 24 March 2012 00:18 (twelve years ago) link
do you rate andsnes w/ liszt?
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Saturday, 24 March 2012 01:21 (twelve years ago) link
Trying to play this now and realizing I never will get it even remotely close to performance tempo. It's depressing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t1eE8sZKIo
― hot and brothered (Eric H.), Saturday, 24 March 2012 03:22 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsoUIBcl7iw imo
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Saturday, 24 March 2012 04:14 (twelve years ago) link
Why come piano gotta be so hard!
― hot and brothered (Eric H.), Saturday, 24 March 2012 04:15 (twelve years ago) link
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan)
I like his Liszt recital disc pretty well, and his Grieg, but his Schubert's on another level entirely (at least D958 and D959 which are the ones I have).
― Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Saturday, 24 March 2012 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
good recording of Schubert's impromptus?
― Dominique, Friday, 17 August 2012 17:14 (eleven years ago) link
I've tried about 12 different cycles and I just keep coming back to Brendel (his analog one from the 70s, available in a 2fer with the Moments Musicaux etc, not his digital one). It has the most subtly hypnotic effect. I don't like for the performer to do too much to these pieces. They should just 'come down from the sky and stand there'.
― Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Friday, 17 August 2012 17:26 (eleven years ago) link
oh sweet thanks. I listened to some of Krystian Zimerman play on youtube, but I don't know Schubert from Flaubert
― Dominique, Friday, 17 August 2012 17:39 (eleven years ago) link
Zimerman is ok but not great (I do love him in Liszt and Debussy). an easily available alt choice imo would be Radu Lupu.
― Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Friday, 17 August 2012 18:03 (eleven years ago) link
I stan for Lupu that dude is great plus it's fun to say his name
― steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 17 August 2012 18:13 (eleven years ago) link
It really is!!!
I've sung it before to myself as well: ra-DOOO, Lu-POOO, ra-DOO lu-POO ra-DOO...
― Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Friday, 17 August 2012 18:17 (eleven years ago) link
this Chopin fellow was quite good at his job I daresay
― .oO (silby), Friday, 22 December 2017 17:11 (six years ago) link
http://navonarecords.com/catalog/nv6123/
― .oO (silby), Friday, 22 December 2017 17:12 (six years ago) link
chopin barcarolle is my favorite solo piano piece these days. wish I could play it..
― ciderpress, Friday, 22 December 2017 17:25 (six years ago) link
Neither Mozart nor Chopin ever wrote anything as transcendent as Schubert's last three piano sonatas.
― pomenitul, Friday, 22 December 2017 17:31 (six years ago) link
makes a killer dip too
― Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 22 December 2017 17:41 (six years ago) link
That's quite a statement. What do they transcend?
― timellison, Friday, 22 December 2017 17:51 (six years ago) link
To begin with, the piano sonata as a classical genre unto itself. In terms of length, breadth and sheer expressivity. Krystian Zimerman's recent recordings of the final two (D 959 & D 960) showcase this quite well.
― pomenitul, Friday, 22 December 2017 17:55 (six years ago) link
Sviatoslav Richter's readings of the D 960 are outliers, but I couldn't do without them. For example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lncNcNtGkJY
― pomenitul, Friday, 22 December 2017 17:59 (six years ago) link
So, is structure the primary way you are arguing that they are transcendent?
― timellison, Friday, 22 December 2017 18:28 (six years ago) link
The melodic/harmonic material as well, especially in the D 960, though you could argue that it also falls under the umbrella of 'structure'.
― pomenitul, Friday, 22 December 2017 18:36 (six years ago) link
I just wonder if melodic/harmonic means we are talking about Schubert's musicality (as being transcendent) or if we are again talking about formal matters.
― timellison, Friday, 22 December 2017 18:46 (six years ago) link
I'm not sure I understand the distinction between form and musicality in music.
― pomenitul, Friday, 22 December 2017 18:50 (six years ago) link
I.e. it's all form to me.
― pomenitul, Friday, 22 December 2017 18:51 (six years ago) link
"Musicality" for me would be the distinction between something that manages some kind of expressive accomplishment in its use of form rather than merely managing something that is of interest for its formal aspects.
― timellison, Friday, 22 December 2017 18:56 (six years ago) link
I get what you're saying. For me, a form is 'musical' (in the meliorative sense) if it is formally interesting, which always implies expressivity, including when the stated goal is inexpressivity. Said form can be simple or complex, and I don't think of it as being reducible to 'dead notes on a page'. Rather, the interaction between score and performance (in most classical music anyway) brings about a specific form that is the music itself, which can then be broken down into subcategories (treatment of melody, harmony, rhythm, etc.), so I suppose that's a broader understanding of what we usually mean when we say 'form' or 'structure'. But I'm not a musician so my conception of these things is no doubt rather idiosyncratic.
― pomenitul, Friday, 22 December 2017 19:17 (six years ago) link
It seems to me that the view of music you are describing would lead one to think that a Mozart opera overture is only as interesting as one of a lesser composer as long as there are the same number of things that are of formal interest in the latter, i.e., that there is no consideration of the magic in music that, yes, works within a formal design but cannot be reduced to it.
― timellison, Friday, 22 December 2017 19:28 (six years ago) link
Then you misunderstand my point, which is precisely that form is not a mere architectural plan. It is alive, and it is unpredictable, and it is context-dependent. I get the sense that we agree but are approaching the concept of form from two divergent angles.
― pomenitul, Friday, 22 December 2017 19:34 (six years ago) link
If it's context-dependent, then I'm curious what those contexts are that make these sonatas transcendent in ways that Mozart and Chopin are not.
― timellison, Friday, 22 December 2017 19:46 (six years ago) link
Every musical performance is a singular event that creates a context of its own. Such as Sviatoslav Richter's above. Pollini's readings of Schubert's late sonatas, while incredible in their own right, don't emphasize their 'transcendent' aspects nearly as much.
By the way, I love Chopin (Mozart, not so much, aside from his minor key works, all too rare in his oeuvre).
― pomenitul, Friday, 22 December 2017 20:00 (six years ago) link