Shania Twain's Ramones T-shirt: C/D?

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She looks airbrushed and carved out of plastic. Yech.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 January 2003 16:23 (twenty-three years ago)

c'mon, man.. girl next door... givin' ya li'l tease... wearing her fathers, I mean boyfriend's, t-shirt.
Careful, dave, Kim might call YOU a sexist ass, too.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 23 January 2003 16:28 (twenty-three years ago)

what's wrong with being sexy?

― dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 23 January 2003 16:32 (twenty-three years ago)

(credit to Nigel Tuffnel, by the way.)

― dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 23 January 2003 16:32 (twenty-three years ago)

D'ya reckon the background to that photo is fake? Who asked Shania to don a Ramones T-shirt and then stand in front of some friggin' mountains and shrubbery?

It's rather incongruous seeing the Ramones in that context - far more jarring than the placing of da bruddas' logo on La Twain's body, when such devices are seen any day on fashion catwalks.

― Jerry (Jerry), Thursday, 23 January 2003 17:26 (twenty-three years ago)

I just assumed that those mountains were part of her backyard, now that she lives in 'em.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 23 January 2003 17:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Are you saying Shania's mountians are fake Sean?
Your not helping the sexist rumour here.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 23 January 2003 21:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Do women in Switzerland need plastic surgery? There's some Shakira tie-in here but damned if I can find the words for it.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 23 January 2003 21:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Careful, dave, Kim might call YOU a sexist ass, too.

Dude, don't worry. Just one more of those beers and I probably would have posted "Sean = sexy ass" instead.

― Kim (Kim), Friday, 24 January 2003 01:29 (twenty-three years ago)

I have a friend that is a minor league comedian that bought a "Pigface" t-shirt only because the word is usually worth a few laughs. He has never as far as I known ever even heard any of their music, he just thinks the word "pigface" is funny as shit.

― earlnash, Friday, 24 January 2003 02:50 (twenty-three years ago)

I think it's depressing that one mention of my ass killed this thread. Maybe we should mention Ally's ass or Julian Casablancas' ass to get this thread going again?

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Saturday, 25 January 2003 15:48 (twenty-three years ago)

b-b-but Julian Casablancas ass is all pasty and hairy. We don't want to talk about that.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 25 January 2003 15:57 (twenty-three years ago)

mmmm pasty

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 25 January 2003 16:52 (twenty-three years ago)

TS: pasty, hairy asses vs. me going out and getting some donuts

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 25 January 2003 18:06 (twenty-three years ago)

John, THAT IS NOT A CONTEST!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 25 January 2003 18:47 (twenty-three years ago)

I am now in possession of the donuts and I must say that I am utterly persuaded that I made the right decision

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 25 January 2003 19:13 (twenty-three years ago)

John, YOU HAVE MADE THE WRONG CHOICE!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 25 January 2003 19:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Were they honey glazed, chocolate frosted, jelly filled or powdered sugar covered?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 25 January 2003 19:30 (twenty-three years ago)

It's brilliant how this thread is suddenly about ass and donuts.

― Kim (Kim), Saturday, 25 January 2003 19:35 (twenty-three years ago)

As is, ahem, widely known, my ass is always suger-covered but seldom honey-glazed. As for the donuts I got a dozen of 'em and enjoyed one jelly-filled and half of a chocolate-chip one. There are more in the kitchen, where the hell are all you guys, we could have donuts & coffee & make mashups of "Still the One" and "Beat on the Brat"

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 25 January 2003 20:06 (twenty-three years ago)

John, your ass may be sugar coated, but is it punk rock?

― Kim (Kim), Saturday, 25 January 2003 20:09 (twenty-three years ago)

I think by putting sugar-coating on John's ass, he has devalued it. Sugar-coating is more powerful than his ass.

― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 25 January 2003 20:36 (twenty-three years ago)

step off you haytaz, I was sugar-coating back before it became a trend

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 25 January 2003 20:42 (twenty-three years ago)

John, you really should honey-glaze your ass.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 25 January 2003 21:14 (twenty-three years ago)

honey-glaze is the Pro Tools of ass-coating and I will have none of it, if sugar-coating is old guard then I am doing down with the ship

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 25 January 2003 21:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Sugarist.

― Kim (Kim), Saturday, 25 January 2003 22:43 (twenty-three years ago)

donut update: killed another glazed one instead of cooking a proper lunch. there are two more jelly-filled in the box (amongst others) but I can only pretend to ignore them for so long, anybody who wants one had better get here soon as the clock is ticking on yet another poor donut's short earthly life

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 25 January 2003 23:12 (twenty-three years ago)

I think it's depressing that one mention of my ass killed this thread. Maybe we should mention Ally's ass or Julian Casablancas' ass to get this thread going again?

Me and a friend discussed my ass in depth tonight. Apparently my clean living has given me back my booty! It's very exciting. Also, the donut I ate today might've helped. I hadn't eaten a donut in like 2 years. BAVARIAN CREME IS DELICIOUS!

― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 26 January 2003 09:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Ah, Ally's ass have finally been invoked, much like Hastur the Unspeakable in the Cthullu chronicles by H.P. Lovecraft. I now proclaim this thread officially dead.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 26 January 2003 16:28 (twenty-three years ago)

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I HAVE BEEN INVOKED, AND I NOW CLAIM THE SOUL OF ALEX IN NYC. COME SLAVE! NOW SERVE YOUR DREAD MASTER!

― HASTUR THE UNSPEAKABLE! (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 26 January 2003 18:13 (twenty-three years ago)

You cannot claim the soul of one who is soulless, o master. I serve only one god. Behold....

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― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 26 January 2003 20:09 (twenty-three years ago)

RENOUNCE YOUR ALLEGIENCE TO...UM...AZATHOTH...AND BOW DOWN BEFORE YOUR *NEW* MASTER!
*Unleashes Death Pod at Alex in NYC*
DIDN'T BARGAIN ON THE POWER OF THE DEATH POD, DID YA..HUH? *HHUUUNH*! **HUUUUUUNH!!**

― HASTUR THE UNSPEAKABLE (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 26 January 2003 20:16 (twenty-three years ago)

NOW HONOUR *MY* FIRE!!

― HASTUR THE UNSPEAKABLE (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 26 January 2003 20:18 (twenty-three years ago)

A sqaudrillion paltry death pods are nothing against the awesome majesty of KILLING JOKE! HONOR THE FIRE, SCUM LORD!

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― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 26 January 2003 20:20 (twenty-three years ago)

I FEAR NOT YOUR INFERNAL MICKEY MOUSE GHOST IMAGE ILLUSION SPELL ATTACK! THIS IS NOTHING TO THE KING IN YELLOW! YEILD YOUR SOUL TO ME *NOW* ALEX IN NYC!

― HASTUR THE UNSPEAKABLE (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 26 January 2003 20:23 (twenty-three years ago)

CURTAINS FOR YOU, INFIDEL!

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― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 26 January 2003 20:26 (twenty-three years ago)

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― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 26 January 2003 20:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Alex, don't you know the only way to get rid of one these damned elder god is to do THIS:

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BACK BACK to the Hell that spawned Thee! FOUL ELDER THING!

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 26 January 2003 20:34 (twenty-three years ago)

RUN FOR YR LIVES PPL! ALEX AND CUSTOS HAVE FORGED AN ALLIANCE..

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 26 January 2003 20:36 (twenty-three years ago)

haha satanic poppadum power

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 26 January 2003 20:39 (twenty-three years ago)

See, no more elder thang.
*snaps fingers*

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 26 January 2003 20:42 (twenty-three years ago)

mmmmm donuts is there anything they can't do?

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 27 January 2003 15:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Ok, I've had it with the fashion commentary, I'm taking on this thread.

Alex, who loves you baby, but dave225, nabisco, mark s and Tom are on the money. The more you all complain about this, the more the Ramones t-shirt is doing what it's supposed to be doing, which is to get you talking about Shania. This just in: music is a business.

"Ramones" is just a logo. More proof that Baudrillard was right when he postulated that in the future the strength of a signifier, rather than its qualitative meaning, will ultimately be the value that people seek in using them.

At "least" she's not selling Ramones T-shirts like at the boring rock-chick-by-the-numbers fashion in the Anna Sui boutique.

Would anyone like to talk about the album? I like "Up!" and "In My Car (I'll be the Driver). They sound like gasoline commericals written by Def Leppard. The blue disc isn't all that.

Oh no! The NYCILXCHIXoRs listened to the ILX comp, "No More Heroes" AND "Up!" yesterday when we were driving around Upstate NY. Oh No! (Well, I made them listen to Up! but it was my Strangelers comp, too!

― felicity (felicity), Monday, 3 February 2003 15:23 (twenty-three years ago)

"'Ramones' is just a logo."

Maybe to you.

"At 'least' she's not selling Ramones T-shirts like at the boring rock-chick-by-the-numbers fashion in the Anna Sui boutique."

Anna Sui herself is, at least, a fan of the band/scene/genre.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 3 February 2003 15:40 (twenty-three years ago)

IT LIVES

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 3 February 2003 16:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Yay revenants!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 February 2003 16:14 (twenty-three years ago)

I realized several hours ago the mentalist factor of complaining about a fashion discussion on a thread that's explicity devoted to a particular T-shirt several hours ago, but yes, let's carry on.

Alex, that's fine that as far as the T-shirt goes it's just a logo to me but the word "The Ramones" obviously means more than that, including a band that I have seen and records that I own.

Even assuming you know for a fact that one is a fan and the other is not, are you saying Anna Sui can sell $70 Ramones T-shirts and Shania Twain can't wear one? It's the exact same shirt -- what is the difference in effect? I mean, isn't it a good test -- would true Ramones fans be fooled? Where exactly are the boundaries of the band/scene/genre set such that that you can say a particular fashion designer is a fan and a particular pop singer isn't?

I'm not disagreeing with your position, just trying to understand it. I would expect you to be equally upset with Anna Sui for trading off Ramones logos but now I'm confused. I ahave always been curious about these what-is-okay-to-wear threads, I mean, wouldn't it be strange if I continually harped on the designer clothes a lot of musicians wear -- I mean, Mayn*rd K*enan in his Prada shoes, who does he think he is, Eurotrash? J.J. Burnel in a stripey boatneck -- what, is he a merchant sailor?

― felicity (felicity), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:15 (twenty-three years ago)

I have a strange over powering urge to eat a double chocolate donut.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:21 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm not necessarily defending Anna Sui -- in fact, I could probably argue that she is in fact *MORE* guilty (i.e. worthy of being set on fire) than Shania because she should know that hawking glamified Ramones t-shirts is going to offend certain purists circles, but she's a fashionista to begin with (thus, an idiot). But, at least if you were to put a gun to Anna's head (and oh wouldn't that be nice) and demanded her to name two or three Ramones tracks, she could probably do it (though I'd shoot her anyway). Shania would probably fail that test, because she's a poser. Anna merely outfits posers.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:23 (twenty-three years ago)

At this point I guess we have to wait until somebody interviews her and asks.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:25 (twenty-three years ago)

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