the rectal prolapse of norman lamont: terrible post-britpop/dadrock ephemera

let go

i think i had/have a kerbdog pic disc, the bside was a cover of Mr Clean by The Jam

beside 2 kenickie 7"s i got for 50p

50p too much amirite

it is nice to get things for free

i thought the best things in life were meant to be free

Lets not forget the Britpop Bible, the magazine that invented Britpop
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40682000/jpg/_40682146_select_203300.jpg

i'd have to disagree with your choice of words. Select didn't 'invent' Britpop but it may have put a wrapper on a few british pop bands under the britpop tag that made it easier to market and sell to the public. The musicians 'invent' their own music and there are almost no similarities in The Auteurs and St. Etienne, for example, so putting those bands together under the same banner was bogus from the start. St. Etienne are in no way britpop, imo.

It's what the music press wanted to be britpop though. It just didn't happen that way. I still hate that Select cover more than any other though. It just smacks of Daily Mail/Sun type xenophobic shit.

Do people remember how bad Select became from about 1997 onwards? It was atrocious by the very end. Needless to say I bought most issues anyway

idgas abt meeja Laverne, but Kenickie are fukkn grate

kinda think kenickie are the futureheads of this poll in that they may not be the actual worst but goddamn they were pretty bloody bad, and yet somehow they've escaped with a decent reputation, thus making it all the more necessary to BURY THEM

angelica >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenickie

I still haven't figured out why Oasis were considered great and Dodgy not. Except Liam Gallagher was an asshole and Dodgy were not (and obviously, assholes sell papers) See also the reason why John Lennon (who was an asshole) is seen as much "cooler" than Paul McCartney (who is actually a nice, but somewhat boring, guy)

(And I think this attitude comes through in the reasoning why NME consider Chris Martin one of the worst frontmen ever - frankly, he doesn't give them any headlines, and they hate him for that)

oasis, dodgy, lennon and mccartney are pretty much equal to me

equal WORST EVER, of course

geir, oasis made a really great debut album, dodgy never made any good albums and good enough was one of the greatest crimes against music ever.

angelica >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenickie

Teenage Girl Crush is a cute song but so twee I'm surprised your ears don't curdle!

i heard TGC for the first time in years and thought it was completely painful

take me i'm your disease is their best trk

angelica >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenickie

― lex pretend

Hahahaha, this is why lex is always wrong. Seriously? Have you listened to Angelica lately? They were SHIT written on a toilet wall with a shitty stick. One of the absolute worst bands ever. Oh, and by the way lex, you might want to find out what music they're making now. I think you would throw up.

oasis made a really great debut album

No, not at all. They did make a really good followup though. But not as good as Dodgy at their best.

But sure, the critics couldn't accept Dodgy because Dodgy was pure pop, without any rock elements at all. And yet, the classic Beatlesque form of pop, not the hip-hop/dance-influenced stuff that people tended to confuse with pop by the mid 90s.

Powerpop fans know that Dodgy are great, but they were not assholes enough for the music press to like. They didn't have the rock'n'roll attitude or any other kind of attitude for that matter. They were just clever musicians, knowing how to construct good pop tunes and arrange them in a clever way.

i've never heard "teenage girl crush"! the only angelica i heard was their the end of a beautiful career mini-album, which weirdly i went back to a couple of months ago and it HOLDS UP. kenickie always seemed a bit graceless to me even at the time.

Oh, and by the way lex, you might want to find out what music they're making now. I think you would throw up.

of course in many respects my musical tastes are the opposite of Lex's, but if anything I have a higher tolerance for twee but smug look-at-me ineptitude, and that is just. too. much.

kenickie always seemed a bit graceless to me even at the time.

You're getting it wrong. "Grace" isn't the point.

Didn't actually like Kenickie at the time and they don't really have any kind of rep now except for a bit of residual affection, but Punka is still a decent tune.

Still got a soft spot for that one Mint Royale song w/LL tbh

I'll always love Kenickie they had a perfect career. The debut was a really exciting record full of energy and great tunes. Then just over a year later they put out a second album that was a great Britpop comedown album (five months before Pulp's This Is Hardcore which did a similar thing) It still had some poppy moments but on the whole was quite dark and sounded like they were already burning out, especially on the song Weekenights. Then they split weeks later after a shambolic a gig where they Lauren Lavern said "We were Kenickie...a bunch of fuckwits" It was all so brief but it was exciting and they left two great records that still sound good now.

But sure, the critics couldn't accept Dodgy because Dodgy was pure pop, without any rock elements at all. And yet, the classic Beatlesque form of pop, not the hip-hop/dance-influenced stuff that people tended to confuse with pop by the mid 90s.

You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro)

Actually they were really critically acclaimed when they started out.

http://www.rocklist.net/

They rated The Dodgy Album higher than The Verve, Radiohead, Manics, Paul Weller, Rage Against The Machine, New Order and most amazingly Nirvana.

Also Geir I think when you said

They were just clever musicians, knowing how to construct good pop tunes and arrange them in a clever way.

You were possibly getting them confused with The Boo Radleys, who at times wrote brilliant simple pop but also made interesting albums that sound just as good now and even did entertaining interviews in the press, Basically they were everything Dodgy were not.

The Rocklist link was meant to be the 1993 NME Albums list which has The Dodgy album at number 17.

yeah I mentioned this earlier re Dodgy, think the 'party line' was morelike "these noodleheads are never gonna be cool or big stars but they can't half write a nice tune"

critics couldn't 'accept' dodgy because dodgy were shite

how true

I couldn't accept Dodgy because they were named Dodgy and therefore already knew everything about themselves that I could ever contribute

lol menswear, bought that album :(

tbf its one of the best albums released by anyone on here

longpigs-The first album had some great singles and the second one was kind of a lost indie classic, the singer was a twat though.

longpigs, divine comedy, gomez are the only 3 here that i f/w though and gomez not anymore really

Lead singer of Gomez playing solo at Shepherd's Bush Hall next month - I was there last night and they had posters up advertising it. Not sure if it's too much time on ILX that I immediately thought of this thread and would've been tempted to deface the poster with "can't believe this cunt's still going" if I had a pen on me.

worst post britpop era song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGwB-f1xfxM&feature=related

Would rather listen to that than Gene or Shed Seven.

haha

srsly with a lot of britpop it's difficult to parse song and artist titles

posh / mermaid
bingo / catch
oasis / supersonic

I actually liked a handful of Dodgy songs from Howngrown and the singles for that album. Never heard the other album(s).

staying out for the summer was okay.

but that was it. good enough is one of the worst songs ever recorded

So Let Me Go Far was pretty good too.

You were possibly getting them confused with The Boo Radleys, who at times wrote brilliant simple pop but also made interesting albums that sound just as good now and even did entertaining interviews in the press, Basically they were everything Dodgy were not.

The only pure pop album Boo Radleys made was "Wake Up", which is usually hated by the same people who hate Dodgy. The others were all full of screaming and really loud guitars, i.e. not pop but rock. Hard rock even.

But, sure, I know, they were critically acclaimed for a while. In fact, those who hate them do it because of just one song. A song that was far from their best, but still by far their biggest hit.

http://i.imgur.com/OWfS4.jpg

ha, i thought 'no way no way' sounded pretty bad in my head, but actually listening to it, it's baffling that anyone thought this was something suitable for release.

(and then people bought it!)

the 'and you can hold me' bit is one of the three or four most important pieces of recorded sound in the 20th century

girl just finds notes nobody else could reach

and once she finds them, she fuckin disembowels them