the rectal prolapse of norman lamont: terrible post-britpop/dadrock ephemera

can't believe you guys continued without me :(

lol nineties indie kids, lauren laverne is never going to give u the time of day and u might as well admit

i had crushes on two of kenickie, neither of them the gofton siblings

kenickie drummer kinda looked like the stomach-baby guy from total recall

Scarfo are the elephant in the room here.

they are?

oh god i saw them (supporting seahorses lol before seahorses had released any material so i didnt know they were gonna be so bad)

then i saw the kills supporting primal scream

dudes bound to pop up with a 3rd band in 10 years time

i liked scarfo (and the first 2 kills albums for that matter) quite a bit

"hotel" put out a couple of singles as Fiji in between. 'cattlecount' was fantastic, probably my favourite song the dude was involved in

Kenickie C/D

CLASSIC and if i've said it once i'll say it a million times they had the SPUNKIEST BASS PLAYER evah oh my god swoon swoon swoon

― electric sound of jim, Friday, 24 May 2002 01:00 (8 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i cant even remember the bass player

scarfo were shit, it has to be said

kenickie bassist looked like a giant brian molko

The 90s UK music press really did use "Ireland" and "Northern Ireland" interchangeably. Ash and the Divine Comedy were always described as "Irish" and then turned out to be from NI and now I'm being surprised that Kerbdog weren't from NI.

Not to rake over simmering political coals, but NI is in Ireland, if you take Ireland to mean the second largest of the British Isles - and many people there, and not necessarily just nationalists/ republicans, will happily self identify as 'Irish' without this indicating any political allegiance to the Republic.

iirc, there has been some sort of controversy regarding this point? vaguely sectarian, i think.

If they've been reduced to the level of Facebook pests and playing at the Hobgoblin, then I think their threat has been effectively nullified.

Were split for ten years, now every November they play 1xBrixton Academy and 1xGlasgow/Manchester/Brum equivalent – Fruitbat happy playing the Hobgoblin with his pub rock band the rest of the time, Jim Bob alternatively constantly churns out band album/solo album/acoustic reinvention/memoir/novel/narrates musicals etc etc while hoping for something to catch.

Travis came up alongside Embrace and the like, they were meant to be sort of New Serious Rock. Then their first single came out and was called 'U16 Girls', which kinda put paid to that.

First single was actually All I Wanna Do Is Rock, sadly retitled for commercial release from original All I Wanna Do Is Fuck – could have set them on a different path

and a bad triphop poll too. man that shit was everywhere

Yeah but no-one can tell any of it apart enough to decide what’s good and what’s worst. Unless we can get Matos and Jess back for the thread.

b) Incoherent interlull - there's also the regular fries, lo-fidelity all stars, campag velocet push from the papers around the turn of the millennium.

All of these had great early singles and totally good first albums (okay, if you pretend the Campag one is only LP-length and turn it off at 45 minutes).

remember i am klolt?

Touring Australia THIS VERY MINUTE, talking about how they’ve had their commercial breakthrough recently

menswe@r-I am probably the only person on here that bought the second album, I wouldn't exactly recommend it.

They discovered a new “country direction,” wasn’t it? Sadly a couple of years too early to be adopted and raised up by Allan Jones And His Merry Men.

smaller-The singer (Bagsy i think?) was mates with Noel Gallagher.

Digsy.

Peter Hook's second band with David potts.

Not reeeally I think, iirc the young feller just replaced someone else at the very tail end of Revenge? And then they formed the new band because no-one else could put up with Hooky, or something.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/39/102267034_af57e96362.jpg

Singer from Embrace, or lovechild of David Cameron and chap?

Anyone remember Strangelove?

-Goth singer called Patrick, stole all of Suede’s haircuts

lol nineties indie kids, lauren laverne is never going to give u the time of day and u might as well admit

idgas abt meeja Laverne, but Kenickie are fukkn grate

xxp Oh, I know, but I'd expect (mainland) British magazines to trumpet their UKishness, like how Scottish bands are British until the mag wants to slag them off, etc - but I guess the two words are a bit unwieldy

this seemed like more of a point when I thought the same was happening in reverse but to be fair I have no idea how or why I thought Kerbdog were from NI except that I vaguely remember a deal being made of them being from somewhere near the same place as Therapy?

what is it with ILM & Kenickie. Go right back to the beginning and it was still the same

xp

let go

i think i had/have a kerbdog pic disc, the bside was a cover of Mr Clean by The Jam

beside 2 kenickie 7"s i got for 50p

50p too much amirite

it is nice to get things for free

i thought the best things in life were meant to be free

Lets not forget the Britpop Bible, the magazine that invented Britpop
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40682000/jpg/_40682146_select_203300.jpg

i'd have to disagree with your choice of words. Select didn't 'invent' Britpop but it may have put a wrapper on a few british pop bands under the britpop tag that made it easier to market and sell to the public. The musicians 'invent' their own music and there are almost no similarities in The Auteurs and St. Etienne, for example, so putting those bands together under the same banner was bogus from the start. St. Etienne are in no way britpop, imo.

It's what the music press wanted to be britpop though. It just didn't happen that way. I still hate that Select cover more than any other though. It just smacks of Daily Mail/Sun type xenophobic shit.

Do people remember how bad Select became from about 1997 onwards? It was atrocious by the very end. Needless to say I bought most issues anyway

idgas abt meeja Laverne, but Kenickie are fukkn grate

kinda think kenickie are the futureheads of this poll in that they may not be the actual worst but goddamn they were pretty bloody bad, and yet somehow they've escaped with a decent reputation, thus making it all the more necessary to BURY THEM

angelica >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenickie

I still haven't figured out why Oasis were considered great and Dodgy not. Except Liam Gallagher was an asshole and Dodgy were not (and obviously, assholes sell papers) See also the reason why John Lennon (who was an asshole) is seen as much "cooler" than Paul McCartney (who is actually a nice, but somewhat boring, guy)

(And I think this attitude comes through in the reasoning why NME consider Chris Martin one of the worst frontmen ever - frankly, he doesn't give them any headlines, and they hate him for that)

oasis, dodgy, lennon and mccartney are pretty much equal to me

equal WORST EVER, of course

geir, oasis made a really great debut album, dodgy never made any good albums and good enough was one of the greatest crimes against music ever.

angelica >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenickie

Teenage Girl Crush is a cute song but so twee I'm surprised your ears don't curdle!

i heard TGC for the first time in years and thought it was completely painful

take me i'm your disease is their best trk

angelica >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenickie

― lex pretend

Hahahaha, this is why lex is always wrong. Seriously? Have you listened to Angelica lately? They were SHIT written on a toilet wall with a shitty stick. One of the absolute worst bands ever. Oh, and by the way lex, you might want to find out what music they're making now. I think you would throw up.

oasis made a really great debut album

No, not at all. They did make a really good followup though. But not as good as Dodgy at their best.

But sure, the critics couldn't accept Dodgy because Dodgy was pure pop, without any rock elements at all. And yet, the classic Beatlesque form of pop, not the hip-hop/dance-influenced stuff that people tended to confuse with pop by the mid 90s.

Powerpop fans know that Dodgy are great, but they were not assholes enough for the music press to like. They didn't have the rock'n'roll attitude or any other kind of attitude for that matter. They were just clever musicians, knowing how to construct good pop tunes and arrange them in a clever way.

i've never heard "teenage girl crush"! the only angelica i heard was their the end of a beautiful career mini-album, which weirdly i went back to a couple of months ago and it HOLDS UP. kenickie always seemed a bit graceless to me even at the time.

Oh, and by the way lex, you might want to find out what music they're making now. I think you would throw up.

of course in many respects my musical tastes are the opposite of Lex's, but if anything I have a higher tolerance for twee but smug look-at-me ineptitude, and that is just. too. much.

kenickie always seemed a bit graceless to me even at the time.

You're getting it wrong. "Grace" isn't the point.

Didn't actually like Kenickie at the time and they don't really have any kind of rep now except for a bit of residual affection, but Punka is still a decent tune.

Still got a soft spot for that one Mint Royale song w/LL tbh

I'll always love Kenickie they had a perfect career. The debut was a really exciting record full of energy and great tunes. Then just over a year later they put out a second album that was a great Britpop comedown album (five months before Pulp's This Is Hardcore which did a similar thing) It still had some poppy moments but on the whole was quite dark and sounded like they were already burning out, especially on the song Weekenights. Then they split weeks later after a shambolic a gig where they Lauren Lavern said "We were Kenickie...a bunch of fuckwits" It was all so brief but it was exciting and they left two great records that still sound good now.

But sure, the critics couldn't accept Dodgy because Dodgy was pure pop, without any rock elements at all. And yet, the classic Beatlesque form of pop, not the hip-hop/dance-influenced stuff that people tended to confuse with pop by the mid 90s.

You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro)

Actually they were really critically acclaimed when they started out.

http://www.rocklist.net/

They rated The Dodgy Album higher than The Verve, Radiohead, Manics, Paul Weller, Rage Against The Machine, New Order and most amazingly Nirvana.

Also Geir I think when you said

They were just clever musicians, knowing how to construct good pop tunes and arrange them in a clever way.

You were possibly getting them confused with The Boo Radleys, who at times wrote brilliant simple pop but also made interesting albums that sound just as good now and even did entertaining interviews in the press, Basically they were everything Dodgy were not.

The Rocklist link was meant to be the 1993 NME Albums list which has The Dodgy album at number 17.

yeah I mentioned this earlier re Dodgy, think the 'party line' was morelike "these noodleheads are never gonna be cool or big stars but they can't half write a nice tune"

critics couldn't 'accept' dodgy because dodgy were shite

how true

I couldn't accept Dodgy because they were named Dodgy and therefore already knew everything about themselves that I could ever contribute

lol menswear, bought that album :(

tbf its one of the best albums released by anyone on here

longpigs-The first album had some great singles and the second one was kind of a lost indie classic, the singer was a twat though.