Jay Z/ Nas and other hiphop throwdowns...resurrected. Part 4

"I decipher prophesies through a mic and say piece"-Nas

It's useless disputing with niggaz whose first hearing of Illmatic was in 2001...lol...of course if you've heard it damn near 10 yrs after it's actual release date it's not going to have replay value compared to todays mainstream HIP POP...I mean the nigga was saying shit on that album that fag rappers today are just beginning to grasp...damn how lame can you be...Also, you've already proved how wack of a "rap" consumer you are by callin All Eyes On Me a classic?....how? when? where?...like Havoc said..."you kick that THUG shit, but in vibe magazine on some LOVE shit"...what a fraud. Any who, is it me or does "ILLMATIC I was boss/IT WAS WRITTEN I flossed, one of the most creative lp's ever to his stores/ In THE FIRM, I learned I AM NASTRADAMUS/ QB'S FINEST/ OOCHIE WALLY faced more problems"...give birth to Jay's chorus on MOMENT OF CLARITY. Well all I can say about this is..."Nas designed ya BLUEPRIENT who you kiddin..." Lastly, once again I could care less about who Nas puts on his remixes(even though he does it mainly to bring in more income, hence past remixes with Missy, Jagged Edge, and Mariah Carey)...Ludacris is still WACK...through three terrible albums...he has shown the world nothing but below average word play, non humerous lyrics, and alot thug shit that he as well as his Chicago(yeah that's his home town...he too is another FRAUD that claims he's from the ATL)natives know isn't near being factual...he is a joke as well as his recycled material ass albums. Oh yeah, I would rather thump some Cormega, AZ, and Mobb Deep, than to live through hell with "We Ridin Spinners, We Riding Spinners...It Don't Stop"...those homos aint riding on nada with they rented ass vehicles...lol...I'm gone

Best don't even argue with him about Illmatic, its a no win battle. He just is not a fan of Nas, simple as that. But I'm still up in the air about him downing it the way he does, especially when its the most celebrated critically acclaimed records of all time, but that's his opinion though so you can't go against that.

I think Hillis has something against the Queensbridge housing projects, lol. You are absolutely not feeling any of those niggas from there. I personally would rep AZ, Mega & Mobb Deep before a Ludacris or even a 3'6 Mafia. I don't even see how you cannot like AZ, when Jay-z is the most complementary to his style. In a way I think Jay-z's flow is from AZ's style. Even during his fast rapping days, like you hear some of Jay-z early work, you can see the similarities when you hear AZ on Life's A Bitch. It really kinda surprised me a bit, that you’re not really feeling his styles. I think he is slept on a lot.

I think J-Hood is good... for his age! I'd rather hear him instead of a Lil' Bow Wow, or any other teenager on the mic right now (I think J-Hood is like 19 now). But he really needs to improve on his charisma, he doesn't have any emotion on the mic. You can't tell if he is serious or not. Plus some of his metaphors suck like:

"I got guns bigger than the subs from subway"

WTF is that? He's been doing lines like that for a while now too. Qoolout you should go check out Cassidy, he's better than J-Hood on all levels. He's been getting some good reviews on his album, if that lends any credence towards you possibly giving his album a listen.

Now on to this Black album discussion. I think you missed my point about the Black album Hill. Earlier in my assessment I said in Reasonable doubt he still had that connection to the drug game, in which you felt he was still on the grind. His last few albums have all been a retrospect on his drug game. On Allure I like the way he backtracked to the time he strapped his girl with the crack and sent her on a plane. But the feeling of being there & seeing through retrospect, is the major difference with his flow. Wordplay is great, and I give him props for that. But its just a new gift rap for the same present. He's still saying the same thing, but just saying it with different words. The subject matter has diminished. Its either he ran out of stories, or just kept recycling a style that helped him become successful.

The production is in the top 3 all time on his albums. Not as good as Vol. 2, but maybe better than BP1 & RD. I would have to look on the situation later to have a good look on it.

I had expectations for the album, but that didn't effect my personal thoughts on how the album turned out. Really it wasn't even my personal expectations... He actually said that these things were going to be in there, and it wasn't! I honestly think dude is going to regret going out the way he did in a few years.

Finally I have to say I liked God Son. Nas is by far the best concept rapper of our generation. Who cares if he contradicts himself. Or fabricates his stories, the dude is the best lyricist of this generation of Hip-Hop. Maybe ever! I like The Cross, and Book of Rhymes, Warrior Song, Revolutionary Warfare, Made You Look, Last Real Nigga Alive, Pussy Killz. I think its a good album, bar none. I'll wait to explain totally why I like the album. But its certainly one of the best albums of 2002, IMHO.

"They just suck, they no good, I ain't never heard a nigga say they like them in the hood..." - 50 Cent

If All Eyez On Me ain't a classic, then Illmatic isn't close.

Honestly, H*WOOD, I couldn't care less if AZ or Cormega were my cousins, peep the quote at the beginning. That doesn't just describe Cadillac Tah, it describes them, too. If you feel them more than 3-6 or the Freestyle King, then cool, but them niggas impact in hip hop is minimal - actually, it's non exsistent. At least 3-6 has some popular songs. AZ and Cormega don't have shit goin for them other than we seem to know their names. But I couldn't name a good Cormega song to save my life. And as you know, Best has been known to rep Chino XL. I guess he may be the Project Pat for East Coast rap fans, cause Chino XL sucks. And Mobb Deep put out ONE decent album, which I liked one song on. Other than that, their albums have been boo boo which is in line with their "skills." And the only thing AZ has in common with Jay-Z is, well, their names rhyme. Other than that, Jay-Z is nice, and AZ is dick in the bootie.

H*WOOD, God's Son is garbage to me. Again, if you like it, bump it. I ain't hatin. But I need not discuss where Nas lays as a concept rapper. Saying that I'm not a fan of Nas is a little off base. I like a lot of Nas's stuff and I give Nas his props for having a solid fan base, and he probably will go down as one of the top 10, possibly top 5 rappers of all time. HOWEVER... The nigga SHOULD be #1, if you look at his lyrical ability. I think he is extremely overrated, still. For someone who has the potential to spit a classic every time he picks up the mic, he has put out LOTS of garbage. LOTS. A lot of them songs you mentioned on God's Son I think are wack, but that's my opinion. Still, how can you follow up the Made You Look remix with I Can? That's vintage Nas right there. From flames to trash to flames to trash and so on and so forth. From I Gave You Power to Money Is My Bitch. From Blaze A 50 to Nastradamus. From Ether to Hey Nas. From 2nd Childhood to Oochie Wally. I know plenty of good rappers come out with bad songs, but with Nas, his bad songs are just unbearable. I may be the only person on this thread who feels that way, but I can't count the number of people I met who agree with me. I Can is a perfect example of this. I mean, you can diss Southern music all day, but you'd be lying if you said there was a song worse than that. Seriously, no exaggeration, that is the worse rap song I have ever heard. Easily. Hands down. I know it may just be one bad song to others, but to me, it's a microcausm of his entire career.

Nigga, you still usin them lame ass rappers to diss 2Pac? lol

Well, I'm gonr.

No, wait, my bad, I'm still here... This nigga actually quoted Havoc??? lol

I'm out like the Lakers on this win streak and the Redskins on this ferocious L streak that Qoolout loves. Peace!

Hillshire you are trippin.' If I made it sound like I was 'reppin' Chingy, then that was my mistake. I'm just saying that I like that one song (well, the first two verses). You are still trying to flip what a brother says. I didn't mean those lines were the best ever, and yes cuz does seem along the lines of Cash Money. However, that song alone is pretty good to me. I've conveyed that it surprises me a lot that I really like it, but yeah I like it. Cuz does have a point, the song is funny, and as much as I hate to admit it, he is somewhat flowing. Notice I didn't just say its funny like some people and therefore declare it a good song. Forget that some people bull...I mean like you do. And I find it very strange that you halfheartedly diss that song, which features the clown Ludacris, but you say you like Right Thurr. Is that what you're saying? And if so, do you like it because of the production? Yeah right. And God's Son only has two good tracks? Did you even hear the whole CD? You like "Chicken and Beer" but diss "I Can?" Man I just can't get a grasp on your way of judging a track. Warrior Song is on God's Son. I would really like it if you took some time to listen to that and then come back and tell me if that sways your opinion at all. "Thugz Mansion" and "Dance" are hot too. For real, go listen again, I have to flat out disagree with you saying that it ain't one good song on there. Matter of fact, I disagree with a lot of your recent comments, more than I normally do, but more on that later. What I meant about "not knowing the prouduction" is that when I first heard the song I didn't say nor think anything about it having a tight beat. When I first listen to a song, usually I don't break it down and say the beat is nice, but the hook is bad, the bridge is okay, blah blah blah. You started talking about you like "Skeet Skeet" because of the production. When I first heard it I just
took it all in. I didn't look at solely the production. And overall that waste of time song is terrible. Screw the great production you speak of, please save that. Wish Bone the worst member? Jae Hood suck? Did you really type that? Are you drunk? High? Drunk and high? Hood sucks but Luda is tight? Do you EVEN believe that. Name me any verse that is equal to "Skeet Skeet." Moving on, I heard the Pied Piper's remix. Again, his remix, three mix, or cake mix, had NOTHING to do with Outkast. Yes, that song was serious. You don't excuse an ENTIRE song because Kelly laughed at the end of his, MORON. Oh, you had a typo too. When you posted the following you said it was my logic, but really it was your nonsense: "So since MOST of the world doesn't listen to hip hop, then it must suck, right? Why are we posting? Hip hop sucks because people in Korea and Scotland and Madagascar don't listen to it. We should just stop debating because Pac, Jada, Nas, Em, Luda, Kast, BIG, and Jay suck anyway because people in Iran and Kuwait and Turkey say so" - Hill's logic. At first you said Qool's but you must have meant Hillis'. And none of those rappers truly suck except Luda. Don't try to throw him in the mix like he's tight, LOL. You're sad. And even if every other place did say hip-hop sucked, I would still post. What does that have to do with me posting? You are a sad individual. Moving on, ten pointless songs is a lot to me. And just because you say a song has a point, that doesn't make it so. And even if it does, that doesn't make it understandable. You gave me the point about Hey Ya like it was common knowledge. Youngin, you are trippin. Okay I could see the alleged point of it AFTER you told me (by the second verse, not the first not the third, which I'll post). Now I like to think of myself as an educated person. My peers are as well. How come none of them could tell me what it was about? And don't try to make a joke here, seriously tell me why it's so clear to you, but not to anybody else I asked. After reading the lyrics AND after you told me, I see the point. But based on something like the following excerpt, explain your thoughts "Hey Ya's" last verse NOT THE WHOLE SONG:

Hey, alright now
Alright now fellows, Yeah!
Now what's cooler than bein' cool? Ice Cold!
I can't hear ya'
I say what's cooler than bein' cool? Ice Cold!
Alright, alright, alright, alright
Alright, alright, alright, alright
Alright, alright, alright, alright
Alright, alright, alright, Ok now ladies!
And we gonna break this back down in just a few seconds
Now don't have me break this thing down for nothin'
Now I wanna see y'all on y'all baddest behavior
Lend some suga', I am your neighbor
Shake it, shake, shake it, shake it
Shake it, shake it, shake, shake it, shake it, shake it
Shake it, shake it like a Polaroid picture
Shake it, shake it, shake it, shh shake it, shake it, got to shake it
Shake it like a Polaroid Picture
[Verse Three - Andre 3000 (Repeating "Shake it" in background)]
Now while Beyoncé and Lucy Lui
And baby dolls, get on the floor
(Get on the floor)
You know what to do.
You know what to do.
You. know I do
[Chorus]
Hey ya
Hey ya
[Chorus continues until fade]
(If the lyrics are wrong I apologize to you in advance).
Let me guess. You like the production, right? Who's the real joke? And that Beyonce song has an Outkast member so I can cite it. Just like "Hey Ya" and "The Way You Move" only have one member. And Jay's verse is way better. If for no other reason than I can actually say he was taking about something. No, it might not be as clear cut as other tracks, but compare it to the Outkast one and then talk to me. And if I don't know football, that still don't mean I don't know "Jack." I ain't cheering for no Titans, lol. Skins til the end of the season BIG BABY, lol. And I'm not sure what you are speaking of when you say I didn't respond. If about the first 12 or 13 words are the same, and the point, and subject are the same, the sentences are similar. These dummies.
H-wood, I will check out Cassidy, but what songs do you suggest. Oh yeah, That Kanye West, "Through the Wire" is flames. Is cuz on point like that all the time or is that rare? The Black album is pretty good, but once again is has it's share of nonsense that takes it down a few points with me. I'll get into that later, but does Nas' "Heaven" ( the last song on God's Son) sound like Jay's "My First Song" (the last song on Black Album)? I don't put as much stock into beats as the rest of y'all but this really stood out to me, the 1st time I heard it.

"She gave me a reason to be a damn heathen..." - Chingy

Negette, you off the chains. I don't care if you rep Chingy or not. I wasn't implying that you repped Chingy. I just found it amusing and hypocritical that you were TRYING to clown me by saying I probably liked "Right Thurr" but still talkin about how hot Chingy's verses are on "Holidae Inn." If you liked his garbage lyrics, then you ain't gotta defend em to me. If you like Jae Hood's piss, er, I mean, lyrics, then go ahead and like em. If you felt Wish Bone is awesome, even though he never spit anything above extremely mediocre, then fine! If you wanna diss Luda, I don't care. Diss 3-6, Outkast, and whoever. I don't care just like you don't. But Ludacris doesn't have a song called "Chicken and Beer." So "I Can" being better than "Chicken and Beer" doesn't make sense to me. Still, I hope you aren't honestly gonna sit here and tell me that "I Can" is better than any song on "Chicken and Beer."I could list off all the tight songs I feel are on C&B, just like all y'all list off the supposed tight songs off God's Son. But I won't. I'll just say you're out your mind if you think Luda can't put out a song better than I Can. Aw skeet skeet skeet is a flippin classic compared to I Can. And Ludacris has three platinum albums. He must be doin SOMETHING right, unlike no name, terrible Jae Hood. You can spit all the nonsense about sales don't mean nothin, but we all know the people who spit that are just pissed because no one likes the garbage artist they rep. Also, Ludacris was featured on the Made You Look remix with Nas and Jadakiss. Nas, Mr. Concept lyricist, and Jadakiss, Mr. Ill like Will was. So you mean to tell me that Jada and Nas are two cold ass lyricists and they picked Ludacris to be on that song, but Ludacris has no skills? Negro please! Ludacris gets plenty of love and respect from all the top lyricists in rap. Best has clowned Luda as much as you, but even he admitted he felt Luda more than Jada on the Made You Look remix (with me up on it). That doesn't mean Luda is better than Jada, but if Best found one good thing to say about Luda, then you have to at least give Luda some props. I find it hard to believe - nah, flip that - it's MORONic for someone to claim that Ludacris has no skills, but two of today's most skilled rappers found him nice enough to flow with. AND they came with some of they hardest flows! If he was so sorry, why would Nas bring the fire at the end like he did? Just because you don't like him, or any of the predominantly East Coast lovers of this thread don't either, doesn't mean he has no skills. It just means the East Coast bias in here is high.

How in the flip are you just gonna post Andre 3000's ad libs and try and pass em off as a 3rd verse? Small Clout, you're not just a joke; you're a jack ass! He's not even singing on that part you claimed is the 3rd verse. It doesn't even rhyme! Are you stoned? Plastered? Stoned and plastered? It looks like you've lost your common sense along with your clout. Niggas ad lib at the end of they songs all the time. They give shout outs and say stuff that may not have had anything to do with the song at all. You gon try and post like they was verses. FLIP OUTTA HERE! I know my posts be FLIPPIN FLAMES, but you ain't gotta do dumb ish to try and match wits with me, lol. It was pretty obvious what the first two verses were and that there are only TWO verses in the song. Obvious to everybody but you. "Now all Beyonces and Lucy Lius get on the floor..." HA! You thought that was a verse?! LMAO! Come on, Hey Ya (wanna be but not at all) expert! Oh wait, was that the internet site's fault that you thought that was a real verse? lol

I know you can't see me or hear me, but I wasn't trying to act like you should have gotten it. Hell, I was confused when I first heard it, too. I wasn't sure if he thought monogamous relationships were good or bad. I actually read the topic in a magazine when he was speaking in on the subject. All I was saying is that it does have a point. I wasn't trying to act like it was easy to get. But you were implying that no educated man or woman could possibly gather the topic. That's not true. If they listened to the TWO (not three) REAL (not made into verses by Qoolout) VERSES (not the ad lib), it could be figured out. Maybe not. But again, all this is a smokescreen to the real issue... YOU WERE STILL WRONG! Hey Ya has a point. Nothin else to say man, you were wrong.

Uh, no, playa, that would be your logic. When I said most people liked the Pass the C beat based on the airplay, YOU (not me, YOU) brought in people in Iraq and China and Egypt not liking it cause they don't play hip hop there. I didn't make it clear that I was talking within the scope of hip hop fans, and for that I apologize, but when I told you that I meant in the scope of hip hop fans, you said I couldn't do that. YOU (not me, YOU) said that we had to include the people in Korea and Japan. YOU said that. Not me. YOU. YOU said that most people don't like it cause people in Indonesia and New Zealand didn't like it. YOU said that. So if they don't like Pac, Nas, BIG, Jay, and Jada (I'll leave out Kast and Luda for you) therefore we can't debate about them because of people in Denmark and Nigeria not hearing it. We can't talk about Pac and Jada within the scope of hip hop. We gotta talk about Iceland, Mexico, Argentina, and Panama. You brought up all those people. You opened up that can of worms. YOU (not me). I even asked you to spare us that nonsense, but you said "No, we can't. We gotta talk about people in Chile and Sudan, blah, blah, blah..." Yeah, this is clearly your logic, cause I'm only discussing this in the realm of hip hop fans. You can wonder about country fans and neo Nazis and Taliban members and dead people and devil worshippers and ghosts and whatever the hell you wanna bring in to the argument. If you care what they think, then you care to your heart is content, BIG BABY. As for me and my house, we gon talk within the scope of hip hop fans. And just for fun, how do you know they don't play hip hop in those other countries?

In the sentences I posted, the subject and point weren't the same, MORON. Thus, you don't need to respond because you are murked (as Jada would say).

10 is not a lot when you got out about 100 songs... these DC gays.

Why not cheer for them Tight Titans? Cheer for a winner for once...

I'm out like Small Clout. Peace!

"She said, "Let's hit the parking lot so I can sick your duck..." - Big Boi

Flippin Titans lost. Nothin else to say, man. Flippin Titans lost. The Redskins won, so at least somebody in here should be filled with cheer and shout out with glee. Anyway, I'm here to discuss the BCS and the events that unfolded this football weekend. THANK YOU, LORD! If the BCS isn't the dumbest thing ever invented, then I don't know what is. First of all, I been saying all along Oklahoma ain't that good, they just benefit from a weak ass conference. The Big 12 has always been overrated and is even more so now, thanks to Nebraska's dominance in the 90's (when HOLLA was in). So what they rolled up on Texas and Oklahoma State? Texas is ALWAYS overrated - in fact, the reason they're 5th is beyond me since they got waxed by Oklahoma AT THEY OWN HOUSE and Arkansas served em AT THEY OWN HOUSE! Oklahoma State sucks but at least their ranking shows it. Oklahoma's toughest game was at Alabama, an SEC team that went 4-7, and Oklahoma should have lost. All that OU is the best ever nonsense had me wanting to smack these analysts! Second, I haven't been impressed with the teams USC has beaten, either. Their biggest win was against Wash State, and they suck, too. So what they beat up on Hawaii, soory ass Notre Dame and whatever wack team they beat. But at least when I watch USC, Mike WIlliams comes away looking like the truth. And LSU, in my opinion, plays in the toughest conference and gets penalized for beating a top ten team twice. The BCS is garbage. College football is garbage. They need a playoff and hopefully the K State disaster will put us closer to said playoff system so all these Big 12 and Pac 10 teams will quit beatin on they own sorry selves and have to play real competition outside their garbage conferences like FSU, UT, Miami, and Florida decide to do. Oklahoma didn't schedule one tough nonconference game, nor did USC. With a playoff, teams from the Big Ten and SEC and the new look ACC won't get punished for having to consistently play GOOD teams within their conference.

Here go some more beats I forgot about... Jadakiss/Alchemist on We Gon Make It - Project Pat/Three 6 on I Choose You - Camron/Just Blaze on Oh Boy and Nas's 2nd Childhood...

I'm out like my Tight Titans. Peace!

"...but it's always foward I'm moving, never backwards stupid.."-Nas

Hollyhood, I guess you're right dun, you can't dispute with that dude's opinions even if they're garbage. Also, look at this niggaz reasons for him not feeling Nas....lol....What nerve this guy has for criticizing an aritst for picking his/her singles. Let me explain something...I CAN was not meant to be a lyrical, metaphorical, or flowing wise masterpiece, nor go down in history as one of the greatest hip hop songs ever. Nas is 30 years old with a pre-teen daughter. This song was made for individuals like her, hence all of the children in the video. Also, today's HIP POP is so watered down with the "hustler this, thug that" gimmicks that it was only official to put this album out. Nas has been GOING AGAINST THE GRAIN his entire career, and that's why he stands out from every other artist. And on ILLMATIC he said "..versatile, my style switches like a faggot", so that should have hinted niggaz at what type of artist he was going to be...UNLESS YOUR FIRST HEARING OF ILLMATIC WAS IN 2001...lol...Nas does not and has never followed the "FORMULA" to making a "HIT RECORD", so that's why he can go from putting out a STREET DREAMS to an IF I RULED THE WORLD or from a GOT YOURSELF A GUN to an inspirational ONE MIC...it's nothing. On the other hand, lets take wack ass Ludacris for example, he's a perfect "FORMULA RAPPER"...this niggaz first single...FANTASY(or whatever the hell this gay shit was) sounds mad similar to his latest single STAND UP...yeah the choruses are different, but he spits about the same non-comical, "in the club", "i got all the hoes" garbage. I aint knockin his sales because the nigga does 3 mil every time he drops, but sales don't make an aritst it's his or her work...and this dude's work stinks big time.

Also, who cares if you've met people who feel the same way about Nas as you do. Nigga look where you reside...lol...I can say the same thing about Southern cRAP when I'm back at home also. And come on, you can't be serious about naming a song that's worse than I CAN(even though I CAN isn't bad)...where do you want me to start...How about MINNIE THE MOOCHER by 2 Wack Shakur...now that's one of the lamest joints not only in hip hop, but in music peiod.

Oh yeah, I quoted half of the duo that lyrically destroyed ya favorite rapper. I mean you quote homos like Eightball, MJG, and Pimp C...so what's ya point?

I'm gone...

any of yall heard about jungle saying him and wiz wrote all nas rhymes even back to illmatic and came up with the one mic concept and shit

Still ranting and raving, huh Hillis? Cousin, ask yourself how did I know you liked “Right Thurr?” How did I know you liked “Skeet Skeet?” It doesn’t take much to impress you, that’s all. I really feel that Holidae Inn and Right Thurr are different songs. Unlike your boy Luda where every verse sounds like the other verse/song, Chingy came with a different style on H-Inn. But call it hypocritical if you want, to me he actually flows on one of said songs. Furthermore, don’t fake, you like it too, lol. Moving on, I have to say you really did surprise me. I already knew that you didn’t get the point of “Hey Ya” on your own. In my heart I knew, lol. I figured you read it or you heard your boy TRY to explain what it was about, (which is nothing). But knowing this and proving it are two different things. I thought you were going to try to act like you listened to the song a couple of times and then understood his hidden meaning. But you told the truth and admitted that you ain’t know what cuz was talking about either. On the real, no educated or non educated person that I asked (all fans of his) could tell me what the song “Hey Ya” is about…well, you told me, but you did research. Anyway, you ain’t lie about it and I respect that. Moving on, that is the 3rd verse. Since when did THE SAME ad libs get said over and over when he performs the song? I saw that bamma singing that song on some channel, not the video and he said that same Beyonce’/ Lucy Lue crap. Yes, the website did tell me that that was the third verse, but like most people, I already knew. So you trying to convince me that this bamma ad libs about 20 lines? LOL, you’re sad. Who is he, Alicia Keys? And if you want me to put the other two verses, go ahead and request it. Out of about 32 bars, he only says something about the alleged topic 3 or 4 times. Face it, the joint is like a Luda song…pointless. Moving on, why is it whenever I speak the truth about one of your friends (i.e. Outkast and Ludacris) you feel the need to mention Hood, and Kiss and others who are way better? I ain’t never heard Luda kick one line that could mess with that East 99 CD. Yeah Wish ain’t doing nothing now, but that doesn’t take away what he brought to the game. Now what has Luda brought? And like I told you before, I don’t care about sales. So he went platinum a few times. That’s foolishness. If I like a song I like it. Of course if I’m a fan of the rapper, I want him or her to do well with sells; yeah I want them to have the number one video, but I’ma like them regardless if they can flow. That’s why I can enjoy Hood. Chicken and Beer? Please. The title alone should have tipped you off about cuz. You seriously believe that he deserves to be mentioned with Nas? And I doubt that Jada requested that Luda spit on that remix since it wasn’t even his song. And why do you pretend to believe that Nas was worried about your boy? Like he said “Oh Luda gonna be up on here, I better bring my A-game. He put together a nice verse, because it was his song and he wanted to put together a nice verse. I thought Luda had a CD called Chicken and Beer, if not, then my bad. But I know “I Can” is better then “Just Like That” or whatever it’s called Mr. Technical. Seriously, his stressing every other word flow is not all that good to me and his lyrics don’t move me. I will say unlike most of the peeps you repped, he doesn’t seem to write his bars in just two seconds, but still I’m not feeling bro. Be honest with your self. Is he even in your top five (dead or alive)? Where would he rank? What is it you even like about him. “Skeet Skeet” and “I Can?” Okay I know what “I Can” is about, now explain “Skeet Skeet.” I refuse to even believe that you said “Skeet Skeet” is better; I probably read it wrong. With all due respect, I don’t care how Best feels about Luda, I know I don’t like him and Best’s words don’t sway me. Now I will say you had a point when he gave Jay his props, but I still had to hear Jay myself and see how I felt, despite what he or anybody else said. B.I.G was one of the best during his run, he rapped with Mase, Puff and The L.O.X. At the time NONE of them were on his level. I like Hood because he can spit. I like Jada because he can spit. Jada did a track with Fiend, it ain’t move me, I still don’t like him. Pac did countless songs with people I didn’t like. I think Luda with Nas is a thing for Luda’s résumé, for Luda’s braging rights, not but not Nas’. Furthermore, the “East Coast bias” comment holds about as much water as the so-called liberal media bias. Bamma, I don’t care where somebody resides when I listen to music. If it appeals to my ears then I’ll like it, case closed. I don’t care if they are from Mars. Additionally, I would say about 99% of the time, when I first hear an artist, I don’t even have a clue where they are from or where they rep. That seriously has zero affect on how I feel about a track. When I first heard and saw Tank, I thought he was from Down THEAH, but that was in the back of my mind. What I cared about was his song, “I Deserve,” was hot. Come to find out he grew up close to my hometown. I didn’t know Pac came outta B-More when I heard “Brenda’s Gotta Baby.” It was a good song and that’s all that counted/ counts (to me). Moving on, that nonsense you spat about Korea, China and Egypt was laced with so much nonsense that you lost me and I don’t even care. So I simply say, okay. They play hip-hop around the world. You win. And the subject and point were the same in both sentences you and I know it. In your heart you know (and so does everybody else.) It’s too bad for you that it’s actually there in black and white so you can’t even dispute it, HA. And I’ll root for the Titans when they are playing somebody I despise, until then I’m focused on my R-Skins. Bruce got the record, Ramsey gonna get fixed up and we got a shot at 500. You think the TITans can win three straight road PLAYOFF games? I don’t know.

Madd rapper. Naw I ain’t hear nor do I believe that. Simply because I ain’t never heard them spit nothing like Nas. I did hear them spit verses that I was feeling, but if you wrote all of Nas’ stuff then your stuff should be just as tight, right?

This bamma came up in MY home and beat me 3 times in Madden. That clown. Well, he will be invited back and I'ma wear him out the next time.

"So I keep one eye open like, C-B-S, ya see me stressed right?" - Jay-Z

These clowns... Two flippin clowns...

Ok, Clown #1 (aka Foolout), you are a MORON. I have since come to the conclusion that you haven't actually heard Hey Ya or even seen the video. You're so embarassed that you were WRONG about Hey Ya not having a point, you're trying to turn the whole song into a verse just to support your INCORRECT conclusion. YOU WERE WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! Quit makin up verses! Quit goin to websites and gettin more WRONG info and trying to pass it off as fact! YOU ARE/WERE/WILL CONTINUE TO BE WRONG! WRONG! INCORRECT! You made a major FAUX PAS! WRONG! YOU ARE NOT RIGHT! lol

<> "Yeah?" <> "ICE COLD!" <> "ICE COLD!" - Look, ASS, that is simply Andre speaking to the band. That's absolutely NOT a verse! And rather than post the next part, I'll let you know he begins speaking to the ladies in the crowd. If you saw the video you should know this. Speaking to band members and people in the crowd is NOT a verse. So then he starts going shake it and shake it like a polaroid picture and sayin all right over and over again. True, you can call it wack and pointless, but it's not a verse. He's speaking to the ladies in the crowd. Then here's where you baffle me with your stupidity. "Now all Beyonce's and Lucy Liu's get on the floor... (Get on the floor! You know what to doo-oo-ooo...)" That is NOT a verse. You're a dumb ass! HE'S NOT SINGING! In the video, it's his altar ego on bass guitar talking into the mic. He's talking to all the ladies in the crowd. Then the lead singer goes "Get on the floor..." That's not a verse. Yes, it's a flippin ad lib. The first two verses are clear cut but all of a sudden the 3rd verse is only 10 words? F OUTTA HERE with your stupidity!

When did I ever say I liked Right Thurr? Find it. Post it. Better yet, forget it because you won't find it MORON! I said it was aiight. And the only reason I say it's aiight is because I've heard it 5 million times and I've gotten used to it. Shit like "Gimme what you got for a pork chop" may be tight to Chingy fans like yourself, but I thought it was wack. Also, I like Holidae Inn. Ludacris, Snoop, and the beat are flippin flames. I just wasn't impressed by Chingy's mediocre lyrics ("I walked out the bathroom still smiling, blah, blah, wildin, yadda yadda lookin like a island") - like I said, you being a Chingy fan with your high music standards, I'm glad you found a lyricist who "raps about something" and doesn't "write his raps in 10 minutes." Bamma.

I'm glad you were confused about that Japan and Saudi Arabia logic, too. Now you know how I felt when YOU brought it up...

You haven't spit any "truths" about Outkast or Ludacris. You have either spit your opinion or you've spit something wrong. Name me ONE thing you said about Luda that was true and not just your Chingy lovin opinion. And did you even read the two sentences I posted? How in the world can you claim the subject and point were the same? Explain yourself. Unless you're scared and then I would understand...

"Okay I know what "I Can" is about, now explain "Skeet Skeet." - QJS Do you REALLY want me to explain it? Or do you want an avenue to ramble on about this one part of the song that doesn't connect for you? Cause I explained Hey Ya and you still haven't shut up! Ah well, bleep it, "Get Low" (skeet skeet) is about going to the club and tellin the ladies to dance or "get low." Now just because this one line or one part might not follow along doesn't mean that's not what the song is about. I think it's clear; I didn't need to read up on it. How you could listen to the song and miss that, I don't know, but you did, so I explained it to you. So now that you know the point, you probably like it now, right?

Oh, well, now on to Clown #2. Actually, clown #2 doesn't deserve a response. But I reponded to Boob, I guess I can respond to this dickhead who DISSES DA DIRTY but CHOOSES to live here, lol...

"What nerve this guy has for criticizing an aritst for picking his/her singles." - Bestina

LMAO! I say old chap, this strapping young lad hath offended us with his nerve and audacity... LMAO! I see English as a Second Language is going well...

"Half of the duo that lyrically destroyed your favorite rapper..." Let's see, since Mobb Deep got embarrased/clowned/murdered on Hit Em Up and decided to drop the extremely terrible "Leave A Diamond Near Em" or whatever the hell it is, their career went to the toilet. They have dropped the terrible Hell On Earth and Quiet Storm and gotten dissed by Nas and have been completely forgotten about. 2Pac, on the other hand, has been elevated in status and he has continued to get platinum plaques over 7 years since his death. Now Chino XL had no career to begin with, but Mobb Deep did. And it's been destroyed. They were wack anyway, but 2Pac came and put em out their misery. But you and the 10 people who still like Mobb Deep can keep quotin "Put A Ruby By Em" and all their other terrible lyrics... And I couldn't care less if Nas has a preteen daughter. The song still sucks. It's still the worst rap song of all time. Easily. Now if you don't like Luda, I don't care, but FANTASY and STAND UP aren't about the same thing. The former is about sex, the latter about the club. But still, Nas HAS been going against the grain his entire career. We keep expecting classics, and he keeps delivering trash, lol...

I'm out like these two clowns and all their nonsense. Peace!

Why you messing up the board Hillshire? LOL, you are sad cuz.  Okay, you may be correct.  I listened to the "Hey Ya" joint again and I'll concede that it may only have 2 verses.  But nevertheless, what I posted is a part of the song.  And YOU (YOU THAT'S WHO) even called it wack and pointless.  And I quote "True, you can call it wack and pointless."  Thank you.  That was my original point.   And don't try to say "I" (Qool) can call it pointless but you don't.  You say I can call that pointless but I can't call it a verse.  Okay, it ain't a verse, but it is pointless and wack.  You can type "incorrect" all you want, and even try to twist this up but EVERYONE can see what you typed December 10th.  Do you realize how sad you are?  You said, and I quote " the 3rd verse is only 10 words?"  Bamma, I ain't never say that.  So don't rant to me about it being ten words.  Anybody that can count can clearly see that I posted way more than 10 words when I called it a verse.  And there is more proof that you are a sad individual.  You asked "when did I ever say Right Thurr is a good song?"  (When did I ever say you did?)  But then you type, "I said it was aiight."  Well, excuse me dummy.  I thought since you called it aiight you liked it. LOL, so you mean you don't like it?  It's aiight in your eyes, but you don't like it?  LOL, you are sad and funny...at the same time.  You still ain't admit that a sentence with the same subject and verb are similar or/and close and then you go on to make even dumber remarks?  LOL, how can you say Luda is flames unless you are using flames in a negative way?  Chingy takes a number 2 all over your other hero in that song.  "These balls are not wiffle?"  You can't be serious.  That bamma Luda uses more made up words in that song then the self proclaimed freestyle king.  Do not make me post that MORONic verse as well.  At least Chingy changes up his rhyme, while your boy maintains the same stupid pattern for almost the entire verse.  Bamma I only listen to his verse if I'm a passenger in the BACK seat.  Otherwise I turn before he can even say, "Stop drop ka-boom."  Yeah, it took 10 minutes to write/bite that.  I refuse to even continue to debate you about Luda.  In your heart, body and mind you GOTTA know cuz sucks, as well as skeet skeet.  Okay you explained it, thanks.  But no I still dislike it. And hate it.  And despise it.  And loathe it...you get the point? Where does Luda rank on your personal list? You can include the dead or exclude em and that bamma still ain't in the top 5, is he? Anybody read Jay's article in Vibe? I liked it; it was aiight.

"The only time you saw a Bird was on Sesame Street..." - Lil Flip

See arguing with you is moronic because you always post lies! And when you get called about em you always want someone to excuse you or you make up excuses why it wasn't your fault and blah, blah, blah... Peep this, Jack:

"You asked "when did I ever say Right Thurr is a good song?" (When did I ever say you did?)" - QS 12/12/03

I NEVER SAID THAT! This is why you lose credibility and clout. You quote people but they never say what you quote.

"When did I ever say I liked Right Thurr? Find it. Post it. Better yet, forget it because you won't find it MORON!" H3K 12/10/03

What's SAD is that you have to make up quotes to support your already swiss cheese ass arguments. I see that you're an up and coming journalist which is why when you fail to get the real story you make stuff up. One day when you're a seasoned veteran you'll be able to focus on the facts, but right now, a newspaper would NEVER hire you. You're a walking libel case!

Fine, don't argue about Luda. But I got one more thing to say about Jae Hood and Wish and I'll leave them alone as well. It's amusing how you TRY and clown Luda for soundin the same all the time, but then rep niggas like Jae Hood who always have to tell people how nice they are with a gun. Oh no, I better not bleep with Jae Hood cause he'll grab his gun and shoot me! I know this because he's always telling me this. New beat, same topic. That's the only difference between East Coast rap and DA SOUTH. Everybody raps about the same thing, save a few artists here and there. We rap about the club; they rap about the streets. And it seems the streets is all about how you handle a gun. Whoop dee damn doo! You can shoot a gun, Jae Hood. Flippin wow! And as far as Wish Bone??? HA! "Yeah Wish ain't doing nothing now, but that doesn't take away what he brought to the game." - QJS... HA HA HA HA HA HA! What Wish brought to the game??? NEGRO PLEASE! When your ONLY contribution to rap is "Man, I miss my Uncle Charles y'all" and going "Pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop" on No Surrender, you need to find something else in life to claim as accomplishments. LMAO! The sad thing is, I bet it took more than 10 minutes for him to think of saying "pop pop" 10 times.

You're an idiot. You obviously didn't read the sentences. The verbs aren't the same. The verbs aren't even similar. See what I'm sayin? A libel case waitin to happen...

Where does Luda rank on my personal list? I'd say he'd be in the top 15 right now. In your heart, mind, body, and soul you GOTTA be upset that people feel Luda to the tune of 10 million sold and all the rantin and hatin you do in this East Coast biased thread doesn't make you right. (Yeah, there's a bias in here, MORON!)

Well, your incoherent format of posting that last part of Hey Ya confused me and I thought you meant that the last verse was just the part about Beyonce and Lucy Liu. But what do you mean it "may" not be a verse? lol, still can't admit you got bad info and are WRONG, huh? Sad. Just sad.

"I ain't come to talk, I ain't come to sit, what I came for was to find out who I'm gon hit..." - Chingy

LOL, I bet B.I.G. would be jealous of the masterful wordplay and the ill lyrics of one of Qoolout's favorite rappers.

I'm out like Chingy's tight lyrics. Peace!

Now, I'll leave

Cuz, you are simple. You DID ask about you liking "Right Thurr." I know it and I think you know it. What I find strange is, I'm sure who ever follows this board knows it too. So why would you ACT as if you never said things you did say. That's why you are sad. Unlike you, I can and have admit to being wrong from time to time. A flaw in your character is "you can not do this!" Example: You said it was aiight but when I call you on this you ask "When did I ever say I liked Right Thurr?" Moron, how is it aiight if you don't like it... or do you like it? Make up your mind. Based on you saying it is aiight, I figured you like it, which you do. See, any person with a third grade education can tell I like something (at least a little) if I say it's aiight. Example #2: I said that you said, that Hey Ya is Hip Hop because a Hip Hop artist made the song. You called me wrong and said I couldn't find a post where you said anything remotely like that. You actually said "Hey Ya" is a Hip Hop song because it's a Hip Hop artist who made the song in the general style of hip hop." See, you said it, but I didn't get it EXACT word for word. BUT you said REMOTELY. So instead of being a man and saying okay, I was wrong, you just act like it never happened and act like that two sentences aren't similar. My question is, "How can you be so gun ho against factors I can actually prove? I mean, once I post the truth everyone can see that you are a liar, or "one who lies." BUT YOU DON'T CARE! That does not phase you. Do you not understand that? Explain. Like you call me a libel case but you clearly don't know blank about journalism. If I don't put these " " around my quotes, it doesn't have to be word for word, dummy. Negro, I'm already employed at a magazine and I have had newspaper jobs. (Now watch this everybody.) You said I wouldn't get hired but I have been and I am. So will you admit you were incorrect. NO. You can't. That ain't in you nature. Example # 3: I have listed my favorite rappers more than once and Chingy's name never came up. I only heard him spit on two songs (which were both better than anything I've heard by Ludacris) and you say he's my favorite rapper. See you lie, but then I post the truth, but it's pointless because you CONTINUE to lie. I can see making a mistake, but you FLAT OUT LIE. Moving on, I tell you how much Luda sucks and you get on Wish Bone and Jae Hood. What does that have to do with him? Okay, when you mention them, are you saying "they suck so it's okay for him to suck?" Or are you saying "he sucks, but since they aren't moving the units he's moving, he's excused." Or are you saying something else. What does "Pop Pop" have to do with it, when we were discussing how dude form Outkast said "All right" around 10 to 20 times? Ad libing or not. Find anybody beside yourself on here or in your personal life that says Luda ever spit something better than Crossroad, Mo Murda, 1st of the Month, Thug Love, For the Love of Money, or Thuggish Ruggish...clown. Okay you put Luda in your top 15? To you is Luda better than any of these people? Pac, Bigge, Jada, Nas, Jay, Em, Lyarun, Scarface, Cam, LL, Eve, 50, DMX, Kanye West, Joe B, Beans, Bleek. I'm even feeling F-A-B-O more than that clown!!! I'm even feeling your heroes Outkast more than that clown. You can not be serious. Since I realize that you won't admit you're wrong, I'll let you respond and then I'll leave it alone. For the record, sales does not make you a tight rapper or whatever it is you are trying to get across. If that's the case Elvis is better than your boy too. Yes, I said what I posted from "Hey Ya," may not be the 3rd verse. I probably was wrong. What more do you want. Don't make that an issue. Negro you know what the issue was/is. Because of that verse, I'm sorry, because of that AD LIBING about nothing, we can conclude that the overall song is about nothing. He talks more about "All right X a lot" than about whatever you READ was the point.

i think that for the entertainment of other boardies any further beef filled posts should be made in battle rap form.

"But I'ma make your bitch ass holla, cause I'ma put a hole in your head the size of a half a dolla..." - Willie D

Ben Welsh, mention rap no mo. Foolout don't wanna see this bro flow... lol

QOOLOUT, YOU CANNOT READ! Are you weeded? Sh*tfaced? Weeded and sh*tfaced? GO back and look at what you said on December 12th regarding me and Right Thurr. Here is what you said WORD FOR WORD:

"You asked "when did I ever say Right Thurr is a good song?" (When did I ever say you did?)" - QS 12/12/03

Lemme break it down for you. QOOLOUT said that HILLIS said "When did I ever say Right Thurr is a good song?" Do you follow MORON? That's what YOU said. You did not get my words right AT ALL. You (as usual) were WRONG. I know you think getting two or three words right keeps the original meaning BUT THAT'S NOT ALWAYS TRUE! As a journalist, you should know this! Do you follow? THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID! I said something different, and I know you got a few (key word: few) words right, but you changed the meaning of what I said! You said that I said something I did not say. Quit quotin me and trying to change my words around! Or at least admit that you don't know what I said and you're just making up quotes. Because that's what you do anyway, so why not put out that disclaimer so I'll quit expecting you to be truthful? I guess "aiight" to you means "like." Why? I dunno. I clearly explained that the only reason I say it's aiight is because I've gotten used to it because I heard it a million times. Still, you like picking out one or two words and ignoring the other 100 I say, so I can see how that confuses YOU. I neither like nor dislike the song. If it comes on I don't have to change the channel, but I certainly don't try and find it. I know you wanna try and find as many people as possible to like your up and coming all star, but I don't. Nothin else to say man, Chingy's wack!

Foolout, you can't just cut out half of my sentences and then try and post them as my argument! I'm so "gung ho" because you just pickin a few words in a sentence and tryin to pass em off as something I said. If I cut out half of your sentences and changed the meaning of your argument, you'd throw a fit! You didn't find anything remotely close. You found some words that matched. The meanings were TOTALLY different. The meanings of the two statements are not remotely close. One is stupid and illogical. The other is valid and well supported. So if you think sentences are remotely close because they have some similar words then that's YOUR dumb ass conclusion. That doesn't make me wrong because your logic makes no sense!

Dude, I don't bring up Wish and Jae Hood cause you diss Luda. I bring up them counterfeit ass rappers because you said it must not take much for me to like a song. Well, I contend that it must not take much for YOU to like a song if you reppin them wack ass niggas! And all them BONE songs you mentioned were tight... but it damn sure wasn't because WISH was on it! Also, in all your rambling about Wish Bone, you didn't notice you made a huge error. WISH BONE ISN'T EVEN ON "FOE DA LUV OF $!" LMAOWMXA! Wish doesn't spit ONE verse, JACKASS! The constant in all those other songs is that the OTHER members of BONE were in it. Wish was just they lame ass homie they put on the other tight songs cause they felt sorry for his wack rhymin ass...

You're a joke! Are you seriously whining cause I said Chingy was one of your favorite rappers? (I never said he was your favorite - I challenge you to find it ASS) I thought it was obvious I was being sarcastic, kind of like when you said Right Thurr was one of my favorites or I just fell in love with Get Low when I heard him say Aw skeet skeet. But you missed it. So now YOU admit you lied when you said Right Thurr is one of my favorites. Admit you LIED when you said I fell in love with Aw skeet skeet. Lyin ass bamma.

Still on Hey Ya? Now it doesn't have a point because of the ad libbing? lol You're pathetic. You still can't admit you were wrong? I thought I was the one who was supposed to have trouble with that? lol I guess My First Song on The Black Album has no point because of all the shout outs Jay does at the end. The shout outs are longer than the verses! I think it clearly has a point, but to you it must not. And if you're wondering why I brought up My First Song, it's because it is an EXAMPLE used to illustrate my point!

You can get a job at magazine and newspaper. I'm sorry, I didn't know the Qlown Qollege Register counted... lol

I'll break down your list of artists vs. Luda like so...

Pac (Pac is better)
Biggie (Biggie is better)
Jada (Tie. Although Jada has more potential, I'm gonna need him to stop bein so fire on everybody else's stuff and all his albums being pure doo doo)
Nas (I like Luda more, but Nas has done more and has more respect so I'll give it to Nas)
Jay (I like em the same but again Jay has done more, so I'll give it to Jay)
Em (Eminem is better)
Lauryn (I assume you mean Lauryn Hill. Anyway, Lauryn has ONE fire ass album, but ain't done nothin since. Luda is better)
Scarface (I like Luda more, but just like Nas, Scarface is deep in the game, so Face is better)
Cam (Flip outta here! Cam'ron? And you say Luda has no point? Do you ever listen to Cam'ron? Good grief! That slow ass, same sound, unconnected rhyme style can be amusing at times, but don't mistake it for being tight! Luda is better)
LL (LL Cool J? I see this is the point where your list gets wack. LL ain't been good since 1989. Luda is clearly better)
Eve (What do you think?)
50 (Like Lauryn Hill, one fire album doesn't make him better. And you supposedly don't like 50. I say tie)
DMX (Tie. If based on It's Dark, DMX is ten times better, but I can't ignore Depression and all his other garbage)
Kanye West (Flip outta here. Someone is reaching. Kanye West is average at best. Luda is better)
Joe B (Luda. Joe Budden is on Kanye West's level)
Beans (Tie. I used to say Beans was better than Jay, but it's been a while since he came with the fire)
Bleek (Ok, this why it must not take much for you to like a song. Memphis Bleek sucks. Ludacris is 100 times better than Bleek. Name 5 good Bleek songs that don't have Jay spittin flames on them. Actually don't even waste your time. Memphis Bleek? What the flip ever...)

"Bamma I only listen to his verse if I'm a passenger in the BACK seat. Otherwise I turn before he can even say, "Stop drop ka-boom." ROTMuthaflippinFLMMuthaflippinAOWMXMuthaflippinA!!!!!! Now THAT'S some funny ish...

I'm out like Stop, drop, ka-boom. Peace!

"...yall already know who I'm better than"-Nas

First and foremost....LAUGH MY FUCKING ASS OFF(yeah, it has to be written out for this garbage) at this dude picking Nas, Jay, and Face over that homo ONLY because of longevity. From the above typed trash, your hip hop/rap credibility is non existent. Also, please let me know HOW in the hell is saying "don't one of you niggaz got sickle cell or something...fuck around with me and have a seizure" EMBARRASS/CLOWN/OR MURDER anyone?...especailly coming from that homo thug...aiyo whiteboy(didn't think I forget now did you?) remove 2 Wack's deceased scrotum from your tonsils...PLEASE!!

I'm gone or out like this dude "saying"/typing the word "flames" and being from Tennessee...get the hell outta here flunkie

"You better back the fuck up before you get smacked the fuck up..." - 2Pac

Shouldn't you be off somewhere postin how Nas and Kelis shit all over Jay-Z and Beyonce? lol "Jay-Z kick that thug shit, but with Beyonce on that Crazy In Love shit..." Ya kockblowin kanedropper - did you think I'd forget your dad works for semen? Anyway, I just want to let you know that your hip hop credibilty gets stronger everytime you rep Mobb Deep and Chino over 2Pac. ASS. Ok, let's be honest. Ludacris actually has a career. He has fans. You know, people that actually buy his music, and would pay to see him? He'd have a huge turnout if he did a concert. Mobb Deep? Come on, now. You and 3 other sorry ass niggas MIGHT show up to hear their 4 good songs. And I'm sure you'd be screamin for "Throw A Pearl To Em." But let's see, them niggas careers are over. They BEEN over. Now there are two possible explanations - either they just fuckin sucked or Pac murdered them. Personally, I think it's all of the above, but hey, that's just me. But you take your pick. You obviously don't think Pac murdered them so they must just fuckin suck! And why you keep swearin up and down that lame ass diss was any good is beyond me. They ain't even say his name! Homos. Hell, even Nas danced all over Prodigy's corpse - and no one really cared anyway. Well, at least YOU still pay the dead your respects...

Did you seriously just call me a "flunkie?" And you're right: niggas from DA SOUTH would never use the GAY (extreme emphasis on the word GAY) ass term "flames." I only use it on this thread. Looks like someone still can't tell when he's the butt of a joke, lol

But you ain't even the reason I was on here to post. Blame it on Ben Welsh and a drunken stupor while I drop ole boy like King Koopa...

"Uh, uh, uh, you ain't no real debater; it's gettin harder to pretend/with ya retarded ass arguments that's hard to comprehend//incoherent, illogical, irrational, irrelevant//but that's you, not me, I post with top notch intelligence//I see through your weak points like fake boobs on Pamela Lee/you ain't no journalist; you an up and coming bamma to me//made up quotes expose your well thought out lies/so it's too easy to see your impending demise//save your falsehood talk, I deal with the truth like Christians/"Integrity" is clearly a class that you missed, man//I know you won't be able to handle the flippin flames I'm firin/don't get mad - The New York Times is hirin//they got space for lying journalists so you'll fit right in/you can ride to work on a little school bus with the other "Can't Get Right" men//argument wise, you a Ho J Simpleton, a Johnnie Little Cockman/in the Dow Jones of debate, you're an unstable stock, man..."

Whoa.

Al Michaels: Wow! Hillis just embarassed Qoolout, John.
John Madden: You see, Al, I don't know why Qool would challenge Hillis. You'd have to file that decision under stupid.
Al: Wait, John, what is Hillis doing?
John: Well, he's fumblin around by his computer...
Al: John, I think he just pulled out a cell phone!
John: What?
Al: Yeah, he's making a call on his cell phone!
John: Well, there's somethin you don't see everyday! First, Hillis murks him on the mic. And then BOOM! He whips out the cell phone and calls people to let him know that he murked him.
Al: He should probably expect a heavy fine from the thread for excessive celebration.
John Madden: Well, yeah, first Hillis murks him. And then WHAP! He gets hit with a fine. But let's talk about the real issue here, Al. Hillis is on his way to the Lyrical Playoffs and Debate Bowl. But it's displays like that by Qoolout that help you see why he's 4 - 6.

I'm out like fines on Chad Johnson and Joe Horn. Peace!

"The ruggedest bitch, don't even rhyme about gunnin..." Rah Digga

And another thing.................................................................................................... sorry ass Redskins.

I'm out like Dallas with a W from FedEx. Peace!

Hillis, you're acting like a female and trying to get me to join. I misquoted you? Sorry, my bad, my mistake, you win. Moving on, if you sit there and listen to a song, when you are ABLE to change the station, in my book you like it. Go on with all your double talk about how you listen to it but that doesn't mean you like it (and no I'm not quoting you word for word). Bamma maybe you got time to sit here and cite sources with a date and publishing information, but clown this ain't no research paper. If I get the gist of it (as well as everybody else) I ain't trippin. Everybody knows that if you listen to it then you don't dislike it. And I don't care if you heard it a lot of times; if you like it you like it. Ben, you don't give no orders up in here; you wanna read some raps go to www.Iwannareadsomeraps.com. Either that or diss somebody on here with a rap and you'll get what you want. Oh yeah, shout out to H-wood for sending me that track with my boy K-I Double. Cass was "aiight" but he reminds me of somebody I heard before, but I can't really put my finger on it. It might be Drag-On; I gotta listen some more. However, my boy Jada once again impressed me. That was classic Jada, that's why he's in my top 5 (and 15). Back to Hillshire, yes, Chingy is wack, but he's better than Luda. That's all I want you to understand. Luda is worse than Chingy. You heard the song. And bamma you probably got "Jackpot," LOL, you would never admit it but you got it. Again, you are lying as if no one can see it. LOL, you are sad. You know what you said about me and Chingy being my favorite rapper. Why should I go reread, find it, and post it? Why when you know it, I know it and ANYBODY WHO READS THIS BOARD KNOWS IT? Ben knows it! You are the most falsehooded telling dude, I've ever met (via the I-net). Do you not get that other people know that you LIE. Do you think I'm the only one bright enought to figure it out? Dag you're stupid. Moving on, again, you take a tight song "My first song" and compare it to a pointless song, "Hey Ya." That bamma touches on the alleged point for about a total of five seconds. The song is at least 5 minutes long. You do the math, MORON. Moving on, as you already know, I feel that all of those rappers are better than Luda. Cam is way better, but you had me laughing when you spoke on him. How can you say Jada is a tie with Luda. I would debate you with this, but since you don't even really believe it i don't need to. And even if Wish ain't on that ONE song, he's STILL better than Luda. Negro, it don't take much. You talking silly saying he did a track with Jada and Nas, like that means something. Bone done rapped with Easy, B.I.G and Pac, I'm not sure, but I don't think anybody else can make that claim. LOL, you acting like Luda is the M.J of rap, but turn around and say top 15. Now you are correct (for once) I don't like 50 for the most part. I really like his song "Many Men," but overall I'm not feeling him, but the question is, "Is he better than Luda?" The answer is "yes. Cuz, you like Busta and Pharell's song, don't you? It does not take much (shaking my" head). You didn't mention Outkast or Fab-o. Add Snoop in there too. Why does Bleek gotta be without Jay? If it's tight it's tight. Name me 5 good Luda verses with or without another person. That's right you can NOT. They don't exist. As far as them bars. 1. You refuse to tell the truth so I'll pass. 2. I refuse to obey Ben. 3. I'm retired but nice try. Flunkie, lol.

"But I know y'all wanted that 808, can you feel that B-A-S-S bass?" - Big Boi

When I went to www.Iwannareadsomeraps.com, nothing happened! What's the deal? lol

Watch closely. Pay attention. You're about to have your dumb ass argument flipped on you. YOU (not me, YOU) claim that since I don't change the station when Right Thurr comes on, I must like Right Thurr. This is what YOU claim. Now, watch this. You CLAIM to not like Sean Paul. You also CLAIM that when Beyonce's Baby Boy comes on, you suffer through Sean Paul's part to hear Beyonce. Now this contradicts your theory. So you must like Sean Paul's part on Baby Boy since you don't change the station when it's on. And don't gimme that bull that you suffer through him to hear Beyonce, because you clearly stated that you'll change the station on someone you don't like quicker than one can say "Stop, drop, ka-boom." Damn. That was TOO easy!

5 good Luda verses? Easy! Made You Look remix, his verse on We Got (which features your boy Chingy), his verse on Gossip Folks, his verses on Saturday, his verse on Growing Pains, his verse on Freaky Thangs his verse on Break Somethin, his second verse on the intro to Word of Mouf, his verse on the intro to Chicken and Beer, his verse on - ah, fuck it. Any verse he spits is better than Memphis flippin Bleek. That nigga sucks. His two best songs are "Is That Yo Chick?" and "Hey Papi" which are ORIGINALLY solo cuts by Jay. And fortunately for Bleek, the beats were done by Timbaland so it didn't matter how terrible his flow was/is. Now, you explain to me what songs or verses you heard that made you put Memphis sorry ass Bleek on that list of people supposedly better than Luda?

No, that Busta and Pharrell song is weak and I wouldn't be caught dead with Wackpot. And just to let you know how stupid you can sound, check out your review of Chingy. You said you only heard 2 of his songs. You said he be flowin on one, but you didn't like the other. You like 50% of what you've heard by Chingy, but you say he's wack. You tryin to clown somebody if they buy Jackpot but you like half of what you heard by the nigga. What kind of shit is that?!

I think both Outkast members are better than Luda. I think Luda is better than F-A-B-O. I think Luda and Snoop are tied because Snoop has the longevity, but he had one fire album when he first came out and pretty much he's been like a token guest for today's rappers because of his success in 1993.

Sigh. You're just a reflection of the no talent teams you rep.

I'm out like www.Iamoutlike.com. Peace!

Qoolut, are you from Greenland?

Sorry, stupid inside joke. Don't mind me.

hill is you for real about luda on break somethin??? i love that beat but his verse is nonsense, your boy tries to flip his nonsense drawn-out style "animosssssity... curiousssssity..." again but just sounds like hes losign the third grade spelling bee or some shit, you know your garbage when even shawnna and i-20 kill your ass

Okay Hill, I don't even like Baby Boy. Yes, I love Beyonce and although I don't know how I'll pull this off, she will be my wife one day. But when "Baby Boy" comes on, I TURN TO ANOTHER STATION. I might watch the video, but when I'm in the car it gets turned. Moving on, I was cracking up when I read what you said about Bleek. To somewhat answer your question, I put him on the list because I think, nay, I KNOW he's a better rapper than L to the UDA. You gotta know that I ain't never even heard of half them songs you mentioned, but I did ask for it so that's my fault. Aw-ight, I'm not saying he doesn't have a point with his verse on "Gossip Folks," but could you explain it to me. FYI I didn't like nay verse up on that joint. As for your comment about Tim doing Bleek's beats, I have to disagree. If his beats were all that then Tim himself could actually put out a good CD and make me say the same thing about him as you said about Bleek. Granted there are a few beats that will make you ignore the rest of the song (VERY, VERY FEW) but I don't feel that was the case here. Oh yeah, I think Bleek's verse on "Coming of Age 2" was way hotter than "Hey Papi." On "Hey Papi," that was ALL Jay. "I'm like work wit them Lil' Debbie's/ when you done get ready." On "Is That Your Chick" even Missy sounds tight to me and I'm as sober as a newborn. So if Tim deserves the credit there then so be it. Somebody did something right on that joint. Personally, I think it was the flow and the tempo, but one might argue that that has a lot to do with the beat; I don't know, you may be right here, but the underlying fact is that it still defecates all over any Luda track. I don't know about the songs that don't come on the radio. Ludacris' songs that get no airplay, may be as fire as they come; he might be better than Em, Jada and Biggie, but based on the radio songs, that bamma sucks. Based on the radio songs cuz is a clown and should not even be mentioned with Nas (even don't they're on a song together) or the rest of them people. I think Twista's rhymes are better then his and we both know his flow is better. Right? Yes, I do rep sorry teams, but I rep my hometown unlike somebody reppin' the Lakers. Yeah, I wanna clown you for having Jackpot (LOL @ Wackpot) because "Right Thurr" is that bad. When you go to that site Hill, double click on the www.IWannaRead.com logo. Jay Kid, do you sit down to pee? Sorry, stupid irony joke.

"Talkin crazy I think they found him down the road or somethin..." - DMX

Qool, it's been a while since we've had one of these, but we may be on the verge of slowin down and havin a real convo. Well, actually, you gotta spare me this one part about Baby Boy... Now, you said earlier, "I agree sometimes you gotta suffer through the storm. Baby Boy is a song that proves it, because now I can at least tolerate it..." on 10/25/03 But now, you only watch the video and change the station. Well, Qoolout, I'm not gonna say you have to have it one way or another. I'll give you some leeway. Things change. True? You probably didn't like the song simply because Sean Paul was messin it up and you probably didn't get to fully appreciate Beyonce's fireness. But then you saw Beyonce's super fine ass in the video and found a reason to listen to the whole song, and you realized that Beyonce's part is fire. So then you could tolerate it. Now maybe Sean Paul's wackness has crept in, so now you don't only listen, you wanna watch the video. Who knows? But it ain't that serious. It ain't that serious with me and Right Thurr, either. I didn't like it when it first came out, but there were times when I heard it and I couldn't change the channel, or it'd be too convenient to run out of the club. So I learned to tolerate it. So now I'm immune to it. Ya feel me, kid?

Timbo and Bleek are two different kinds of wack. Tim has goofy, terrible lyrics, and his style just makes me laugh and say, "Did a 10 year old write this?" So I can tolerate his because he has ACKNOWLEDGED he can't rap and I don't take his lyrics seriously. Memphis Bleek is wack because he tries at that whole lyrical thing. I know he wrote it, and I don't believe or feel him. He sucks. He's not at all amusing. I thought he was wack on Coming of Age 2. Of course, I think the whole song is wack, so I guess that ain't all Bleek's fault. But it seems like ANY song with Bleek I like has NOTHING to do with Bleek. It's usually cause Jay spits flames (i.e. "Mind Right Rmx" "Change The Game" "Is That Yo Chick" "Hey Papi").

Luda's point on Gossip Folks is about his small start and now his big finish and how well he's doin now. But I will give you that the verses sometimes go off on a tangent, but I like the way he was flowin. So I'll say it has a point, but I will admit not every line follows it. As far as his non radio songs, I would find it hard for you to give them a chance even though they are more hardcore than his radio stuff - like most rappers.

Why is it that Chad Johnson and Joe Horn get fined for excessive celebration, but Matt Millen can call cats FAGGOT numerous times in public and nobody cares? I mean, am I the only one who sees the social implications? They're always penalizing the young Black men for these celebrations. David Carr and his linemen did a fake cell phone and Carr did a throat slash to let the crowd know they wasn't about to pull out no cell phones - STILL, Chad Johnson did the same throat slash to let them know he wasn't going to take his helmet off a month ago and he got flagged and fined. There's some social implications here that we need to discuss and underlying racism and ageism that's threatinging to hurt the league. Care to discuss?

Well, at least I don't like half of Chingy's hits like you.

Jay Kid, you can answer that question by Qool at www. responseforaskingthatGreenlandquestion.com, HA!

I'm out like excessive celebrations. Peace!

I don't really have anything to talk about. I just popped in to let Hillis know they tagged David Carr and the others who did the fake Joe Horn TD celebration. The reason Matt Millan ain't getting no punishment cause everyone knows his ass is out of Detroit this season. On Fox they said since his tenure as GM, the Lions haven't won on the road. The funny thing is, the new GM of Atlanta was on the job the first day and got a road win against Tampa Bay... LMAO! Speaking of that I saw Mike Vick in Lennox mall a few weeks ago. I would have said "Wut Up!" to him, but I didn't want to come off as a male groupie. Plus I didn't like that nigga when he played for V-Tec, but he's a good player. Anyways, this excessive TD dance stuff is a little out of hand. But sooner or later the NFL will have to adapt one way or the other. I don't think its a racial bias with the TD dancing, cause frankly only black people do it. Dennis Green got rid of The Dirty Bird & The Bob & Weave when he was the head of the Sportsmanship Committee, but that's just two examples. They either are going to get rid of the celebration aspect all together (Which is doubtful), or they will have to live with guys doing excessive TD celebrations.

"She got a light-skinned friend look like Michael Jackson, got a dark-skinned friend look like Michael Jackson..." - Kanye West

I still don't think Kanye West is any good, but more lines like that and I might have to give him some props. That junk had me ROLLIN!

Anyway, H*WOOD, I see where Carr and his boy gon get fined, so I guess I ain't mad about that no more - even though it's wack that they got fined PRETENDING to look for a cell phone. What the flip's up with that? But Hollywood, I think the bias is there SOLELY because only black people do it. Younger ones to be exact. I think the league sees players like Johnson and Owens as young thugs who are all about self and showing up their opponents. They don't try to see WHY they feel the need to celebrate. Personally, I think all of our prevalent role models are the comedians, rappers, ball players, and the cliched orators of the civil rights and slave eras (MLK, Tubamn, Malcolm, Turner, DuBois, Booker T, etc). Except for the orators, all the comedians and ball players and rappers brought/bring attention to themselves. When you grow up and your self worth is diminished in relation to your upper class/White counterparts, it's only natural to want the world to recognize you are somebody once you realize your worth has risen simply because you can score TDs. Combine that with the loud/boistrous/standout role models we already have and everybody ain't gon be like Barry and Jerry. We gon have more Sapps and Mosses and Owenses. And ultimately, we gon want the spotlight more often than not. But the ultra conservative people who dominate the rules committee can't see past the spectacle of not just spiking the ball or handing it to a ref and wanna fine for no real reason and inhibit expression. Take the Sharpie incident. Terrell Owens didn't disrespect Shawn Springs by signing that ball. He didn't sign it and give it Springs or spike it in his face or even sling in the Seattle crowd. He signed it and gave it to an OWENS fan. That's why the league ain't fine him. But you know they was livid. Now anymore "foreign objects" get you fined. Bull ish! Chad Johnson was fined for having a sign. They was just tryin to set an example with him because he didn't disrespect the other team, it wasn't excessive, and only the league comes across looking petty. Taking off your helmet is not excessive or disrespectful. Shooting an imaginary gun at your teammates is not excessive or disrespectful. The throat slash gesture is not excessive or disrespectful. And the cell phone? The only problem I had with it was that he took too flippin long. It wasn't smooth. All that fumblin around was time consuming, so he deserved a flag for a possible delay of game, but all this other nonsense was irrelevant. Even the Giants ain't care. Strahan said it was lame, but he ain't say he was disrespected. Other Giants said he was just havin fun. And I think it was Amani Toomer who said they had other things to worry about. So the league really doesn't care if other teams feel disrespected or if it really is excessive. They just don't like these young Black men calling attention to themselves and promoting themselves over the NFL.

I don't care if Millen gets fined or not. But they ain't said nothin. They haven't done anything. Maybe behind the scenes they bought to lay the smack down. Still, they should expose Millen to the ridicule that Horn and Johnson have to suffer.

I'm out like dark skinned Michael Jackson. Peace!

Merry belated Christmas. Hill, yes I feel ya. For the record, I have flip flopped with "Baby Boy." When it first came out, I didn't like it. Then I started to tolerate it. Then just like about 80% of the songs I hear about five times a day, I grew tired of it and now when it comes on, I switch to something else. I even do this with some songs that I love. After a while, you need a lil break. You had me cracking up with Beyonce's fireness, but just so you know I've ALWAYS watched the video. Come on, that's Beyonce'.

Tim and Bleek are different, yes. But seriously, who is the better rapper? And being bad at rap, but still trying to rap, ain't qool with me. If you admit you can't flow, THEN DON'T FLOW. As for Bleek, I'm not saying cuz is one of the best out, which he ain't. I'm just saying, TO ME he is not terrible. Yes, I think he is better than Luda, but no he ain't Nas or Jay. Also, my original point, aside that he is better than Luda, was that I agree that Tim helps him, but for it to be an "okay song" he has to be somewhat good, right? Forgive me for repeating, but I must say it again: If Timbo's beats were all that fire, to the point where it doesn't matter what you say, he'd sound halfway tight when he spit on em. As far as Bleek's songs only being flames when he's with Jay, I don't really agree that Jay is the actual reason, but I know exactly how you feel. Case and point, my favorite rapper alive. Before and after Jada's solo album dropped, I was reppin' him but also saying (aside from singles) he never really brings it unless it is someone else's joint, or if he is a guest. Even on a mix tape, I really don't consider that HIS, I consider that the DJ's or whoever's. But with Mya, Mariah, Nas, The Pied Piper (lol) just about everybody but J.Lo, he brought it, but on his own CD, it's only like 3 maybe 4 hot tracks. So I know how you feel. Oh yeah, completely off the point, give Kanye West his props. "Through the Wire" ain't nothing but FIRE. That joint is hot, don't fake. Do not fake.

H-Wood what up? You know you got Vick to sign your hat. LOL, naw, I'm just messing with ya. But about that excessive TD celebrations bull. That is some nonsense. I think you should be able to celebrate how ever you want. As long as you ain't giving the crowd the finger or mooning bammas, or doing that terrible remake of the Beyonce' dance that Sapp did, I say let them do it. And H-Wood, I think it is racist for the sole reason that you said it ain't: ONLY BLACKS DO IT. So yeah, who are you trying to keep from doing it? Blacks. Just like the doo rag rule. I heard this on the radio a few weeks ago and I agreed. They made a rule saying no one can wear anything under their helmet. Why? Because gang bangers wear them. I remember when they first made the rule, but I didn't look at it like I do now, however I did think it was stupid. Back then, most of the peeps wearing them were black players. They play in the NFL, but whites run it. They make all the rules, not those who play in it and make it what it is. So you have a bunch of rich white men, calling the shots to the blacks. It's nonsense. They can't wear them now, it the real reason is "Because I said so" and that's what most of the rules follow. I'm not sure who started the lil joke, but somebody said the NFL is short for "The No Fun League." And that's what it's becoming. You should be able to trash talk all day long, but now you get fined for that. That's bull. Plus they don't even police it fair. Ray Lewis would be bringing home about 90 bucks on his check if they really fined everybody the same way. Did y'all see in some game this week, cuz scored a TD and then pitched the ball back to dude chasing him (after he scored of course)? I was cracking up. But then they give the other team 15 yards because it ain't sportsmanlike. It ain't sportsmanlike to be able to sign a team's vet player because you got the cap room and they don't but that goes on every year. The NFL doesn't even try to hide the double talk. Hillis, I'm not sure if Shockey should be fined for speaking his mind OFF THE FIELD. I've heard about the incident a 100 times, but I think it was off the field, but correct me if I'm wrong. Anyway, I think they need to get rid of fining players and coaches for speaking their mind. Maybe Shockey is an exception, because his commet was about Parcell's sexual peferance and it ain't no need for that to even be a topic. So yeah, fine him. But when people say stuff like, "The refs helped us lose that game," or "The ref made a bad call" they get a fine and that ain't even fair. For one, it's how the person feels. Why does he need to bite his tongue, if that's what he believes? For two, 99% of the time it's the truth. The refs make terrible, dumb, almost unforgivable calls all year long (basketball and football) and if a coach or a player says anything about it, he gets money taken from him. That ain't right.

"Cause you got me curious, you probably look better when you dead..." - Jadakiss

Aiyo, Qool, check it, I agree with a lot of what you said; however, I didn't know if you saw the other side of it on the part about the refs and speaking your mind off the field.

A lot of people don't understand that reffing is hard. You could make 100 calls in a game and if all 100 aren't right, you've f'ed up for the day. Talk about perfection! These cats also have other jobs, so it's not like they focus solely on reffing. But back to the main point: reffing is not at all a highly rewarding experience outside of the money. You got players, fans, and coaches yelling at you and calling you and your mother everything but your names for 3 hours. And I guarantee only about 3% of the people who get on these refs could do a better job or even match what they do. So if you just let players and coaches vent their frustration about one or two bad calls - when those same refs probably still got 95% of the game right - it'll probably piss those refs off when they come up against those same people. They're human; they watch the news. And if it doesn't piss them off, it'll scare them into making more calls for them and that isn't fair to their opponents. I think the league allows coaches to question what refs do WITHOUT belittling them in public. No one wants to give em props on a tough call they got right, or explain that NFL and NBA speeds are a lot faster than your average backyard game where it may be easy to make the right call. And think about it; how many times have you been playin ball and argued over a call when you were callin your own games? And that's just on out of bounds, travels, or fouls! Add all them other rules that you gotta watch for and a game to 15 might take 3 hours. So yeah, they may be just speaking their minds, but I think it's unfair to the refs to let them be blasted by players about a bad call, without any fair way to defend themselves.

When Rocker said all his comments, I personally felt like I didn't care and that he shouldn't be bothered/fined/or whatever. And I didn't care if Shockey called Parcells a homo. I don't even care that Millen called Morton a faggot. BUT, if they gon fine all these young black players for crap like too long towels, orange shoes, and callin on phones when they score a TD, there's NO WAY that racist and homophobic comments should go unpunished. That's some double talk. And H*WOOD, I don't know if you know, but Millen is coming back for another year.

Dude, Bleek is wack. I can forgive Timbo because I know he can't rap, he admits it, so I don't exepect any fire from him. Bleek says he can rap. So I expect fire from him, and he sucks. And why shouldn't someone put out albums just because they aren't the best at rappin? So I guess you shouldn't be allowed to play Madden cause you suck! lol If Timbo wants to put in his time and effort, he should be able to rap. And I disagree with you about Timbo's beats not being that good cause he supposedly can't make an album with just him on it. Luv 2 Luv Ya, Clock Strikes, Up Jumps Da Boogie are all flippin flames and Tim's Bio is a solid album, too. But at any rate, it would be naive to think that all of Tim's beat on one of his albums would be flames enough to overcome 15 or 16 sorry Timbo verses. But for the MOST part, the beat can overshadow Tim's terrible lyrics. And as far as Bleek on a Timbo beat, or a hot beat in general, I want to reiterate that Bleek's sorry ass adds NOTHING to Hey Papi and Is That Your Chick and his weak ass flow fortunately can't take away from the fire azz beat or Jay spittin flippin flames.

Last, but not least, I finally know ALL the lyrics to Hip Hop Star (Beyonce and Outkast's song) and I think just because you couldn't understand them, or didn't get the metaphors, you say it doesn't have a point. Or maybe one line or two didn't connect so therefore, you think you can dismiss the song as having no point. Why do you do this? I have no idea. But the song is CLEARLY about sex. Beyonce's verses are CLEARLY about sex and love making. CLEARLY. And Big Boi and Sleepy follow suit with their parts. Now you MIGHT be able to come back and post ONE line where he says somethin unrelated, but 90% of his two verses are about his ability to spit game and have sex. It may not be clear to you, but I think it'd be clear after realizing the lyrics. So again, as usual, you were wrong.

I'm out like referees. Peace!

First of all, you make a good case for the refs. But as usual, you are wrong. Yeah, you. Those bammas can defend themselves, just like anybody else. And even if they did have a rule that said refs can't open their mouths, how does that justify a coach or player having to bite his tongue? The correct thing to do is to let them both speak. Trust me, from my point of view, whenever you have somebody not letting all parties involved talk, there is some kind of cover up most of the time. I don't care if its a lawyer with a client, a police with a victim, or a husband with his spouse. Let everybody talk. And if you make 100 good calls but you mess up on a very IMPORTANT call, as a player, I should be able to say, "That was a terrible call. That call made us lose. If the ref would have called it the correct way, we would have won." Now what's wrong with that? Nothing, but if Kobe came out and said that, or if LaVar said it, they can expect to be billed for those words. Yes, if I say something about his mother or his famo then maybe I should be fined, but when I'm speaking the facts, why do I need to keep it hush hush? If a ref makes a bad call, its on ESPN for a few days, people tip-toe around the subject and then it's over. But the team still has that "L." The team has an "L," when they should have a "W" but it ain't nothing to do about it but live with it. All the money the NFL makes and we still have bad ref-in'? Pay them for the whole week and get somebody in there who can call it better, and if they can't get it right, go to instant replay. Why does a team get charged a timeout in the NFL if the refs disagree? That's more nonsense. They should have another set of refs that we don't even see, looking at every questionable call. Why does the coach need to throw out the flag? They (the NFL) know if it was a questionable call. Moving on, "Hip Hop Star" is weak. It is NOT clearly about sex, at least not Beyonce's part, which is what you said. You could make a case for that, but don't come posting on here putting "CLEARLY" in all caps. And I listened to cuz's 1st verse and I don't understand how you can say that it is even CLEARLY about sex or loving making. Again you can make a case for it, but just like you said I can't dismiss the whole song, you can't ignore those parts that are indeed pointless. You can say I don't get the metaphors all day long. But you can say that about any song. I can say a given song has no point and you can come back and say it does because I missed this slang or this jargon. Whatever; that song sucks. I'm not going to argue with you (AGAIN) about it being pointless. If I was wrong, so be it and that's your right to say so. But if a line or two does not connect in a song, I'ma say so about that. And give me a break; there are more than ONE or TWO POINTLESS lines in that song. Where do we draw the line? Can every other bar be pointless, but since the artist says two intelligent things, it therefore has a point? And I never said a rapper should not put out albums if he ain't the best. I'm saying, if your boy said "I can't rap" then no, he should not be rapping. That's like I go to the Bulls and say "I can't play basketball, but I want you to sign me." Or if I say, "I can not write, but I want you to hire me as a writer." Now I want you to disagree with this Hillis. Seriously, you have no grounds here. Moving on, just because somebody beat you in Madden on ONE given day, does not mean that they will get the same results next time. Please believe. Also, I never said Tim's beats aren't good. Plenty of them are great. He hooked up the L.O.X on their Double R CD. He's great at that; that's where he shines. My point was, if they were as hot as YOU say, then he'd be a better rapper. See, on "Is That Your Chick," everybody sounds tight. Missy, Jay, and Bleek. Yes, the beat is flames, and it probably makes those rappers look a little better, but they still have to bring something at least a little good to the table. Like if Bleek got on the mic and said this: "Is that your chick?/ Her car looks like a brick/ My goldfish is sick/ and I went on a trip." Now, that beat ain't THAT fire to cover up those rhymes. It sounds like (but I don't know) you're saying it was the beat and nothing but the beat, that made the song hot. My case is, "It helped a whole lot, but other things (yes, Bleek) played a part too. On Hey Papi, I agree that Bleek added nothing good, Jay carried it. But on "Is that Your Chick?" he gets props from me. Speaking of Jay. In his Vibe article that HE WROTE, he said that he is certain Bleek and Beans would get more attention and be bigger, if they were on any label but the ROC. He claimed that he, Jay-Z, being on the label too, is holding them back. How do y'all feel about that? I think that since he is on the label too, it has helped them, because I can't really see them being the head rapper or the go to guy. I can see it, but it's like B.I.G being the head rapper on Bad Boy, and then Puff. You don't feel them as much. And that's if Jay was there at one time, or was never there. If he wasn't there ever, I think they would be less known then they are now. Lastly, Spurrier quit. He hung it up and I can't blame him. The Skins played terrible ball this year and I guess he didn't want to be a part of it anymore, but I did want him to come back for one more year and try to fix it. He lost about five games by 3 points or less; if they would have won those, we would be talking about the playoffs. Thus, I think he is being too hard on himself, but like I said, I can't blame him. After not making the playoffs since the late 90's, it doesn't take much to please us (Skins fans). Well, once again my Skins are probably looking at another bad season next year. And the next to leave will be the best CB since D. Green and D. Sanders, watch. I hope I'm wrong. Dag homie.

"Nigga sip syrup through a funnel... I can do dat!" - Juvenile

First of all, I'm not wrong. I agree with you that the players shouldn't be fined. I just think they shouldn't be allowed to infer that one bad call or even two or three cost them a game. I don't disagree with you that the refs could have their own interview session, but I don't think it would go any way like you seem to think it would. All it would be was a finger pointing ridicule seesion about how they screwed up, which is clearly not fair. Besides, what would be the point? If they got it wrong, they got it wrong and all they could do was apologize, which is what the league does anyway. So I see your point, but it's more idealistic than realistic. If James the umpire made a bad call, then go ahead and say, "That was a bad call." But the refs NEVER cost a team an entire game - ESPECIALLY on one call! That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard! Case in point #1 - Seattle was up 41-24 on Baltimore in the fourth quarter in a game earlier this year. Now AFTER SEATTLE BLEW A 14 PT LEAD, the refs F'ed up and gave Baltimore a little extra time to kick a field goal to send it in to OT, where they eventually won. But Mike Holmgren didn't blame the refs, and no one said the refs screwed them. BECAUSE THEY BLEW A 14 PT LEAD IN THE 4th QUARTER! Case in point #2 - New York lost to San Francisco in the playoffs last year because the refs missed a pass intereference call that would have offset an illegal man downfield call that cost the Giants a shot another field goal that they had just botched. Now, the league admitted that a pass interference call should have been made. BUT THE GIANTS LOST BECAUSE THEY BLEW A HUGE 24 PT LEAD! Case in point #3 - In the NBA Playoffs last year, the Lakers and T-Wolves played in probably the worst officiated game I've ever seen. There were two calls against Wally Zer-bee-ack where he didn't touch Kobe or Jannero Pargo and he got called for fouls. I mean, Zer bee ack clearly avoided both players and the replays showed it wasn't even close, but he was called for fouls in a close game. BUT MINNESOTA WON ANYWAY! They overcame the bad calls AND KG fouling out in OT AND WON ANYWAY!

If you think that refs should get every call right then you're an idiot and you should be kicked out of the NFL or NBA. There's a never a point in life PERIOD where every detail is called correctly, so why should it be different in sports and refereeing? Instead of pointing at ONE bad call and saying that cost you a game, why don't you go back and look at the missed tackles, missed blocking assignments, blown coverages, turnovers, offsides, holdings, and all the other mistakes the TEAM made and work on those so it doesn't get to a point where it SEEMS as if the game is decided on ONE ref's call?! I totally agree that if LaVar goes, "I was held on that game winning TD. I would have sacked Tom Brady if he hadn't held me. The refs missed that" and he was clearly held, then that's no problem. He's speaking the truth. But if LaVar says, "I was held on that game winning TD. These refs cost us the game by not callin that! I woulda sacked Brady" then he SHOULD be fined for that stupid ass assessment and for flat out blaming the refs for something they didn't do.

Sometimes I wonder what goes on inside your head. So if Beyonce came up to you and was like "Are you infatuated with me? I could end your curiosity. If you don't think I'm to prude, here's your chance to make your move" then I guess you think she's talking about discussing DC politics? LMAO! Flip outta here! I guess if she said, "I dare you to undress" you'd take your clothes off in preparation to talk about George Bush's economic policies? Come on now, Qool. Just cause you don't like a song, don't start making up things about it. And what part of Big Boi's verse has nothing to do with the song?

Your analogies are understandable, but they're irrelevant. Timbo isn't asking anybody to hire him as a rapper even though he can't rap. He has his OWN label, he produces his OWN songs, and he makes his OWN profits. He puts his albums out there and if you don't like em, fine. That's your opinion. But SOMEBODY buys em, so why should he stop? Some people can't sing; should they therefore NEVER sing? No! Some people enjoy it even though they're bad at it. Just like sports and other hobbies. And even still, I probably don't got no business callin up the Bulls tryin to hoop or the Washington Post if I wanna write when I admittedly got no skills, but what if they say "Sure, we'll hire you!" Then is that my fault? Anyway, back to Bleek. That "Is Your Chick" beat was flippin flames. And those sorry lyrics you made up wouldn't take away from that. As I do with Bleek NOW, I would just ignore his terrible lyrics and focus on Timbo's beat. As far as Jay-Z holdin other Roc members back, that's pure nonsense. His presence has helped. Beans is good on his own, but Jay-Z being there has definitely helped him in the process. And Bleek? Shit, Jay-Z is the only reason anyone knows he's alive.

If your owner wasn't a jackass, he might keep a coach. Maybe he should sit down with Jerry Jones and learn how to get a proven coach and stay out of the way. These Redskinnies...

I'm out like Champ Bailey. Peace!

How can you say players shouldn't infer that a given play caused them to lose? You have to know that one bad play can end it. You gotta know this. If your team is down by 4 with 1 tick left, and the QB lobs up a bomb from the 40 to the end zone, and nobody catches it, but interference is called, you get a new play...from the goal line. I'm cool with that, but what if there was no pass interference and the ref just made a bad call? Stranger things have happened and if that team gets in from the goal line, sure you can say "Well, the D should have held them on that one," but really, the ref put them on the one and consequently decided the game with a bad call. Also, what up with the no reviewable calls? Every single call should be reviewable. I see your point ALL THE WAY with your "point #1," however, a given team should be allowed to blow a 14 point lead or any other point lead and still win. Saying they shouldn't have blown the lead is perfectly understandable, but that does not excuse the "bad call." I didn't see that game, just the highlights, but from my understanding, they blew the lead, but if the refs would have called it correctly, they still would have won. Not taking that into account is dumb; not the dumbest thing ever from you, but it's right up there. And I agree that an apology is pointless. What they should have done was say, "we messed it up, we looked at the tape and the Seahawks get the W. Now I know that this will probably never ever happen, but wouldn't this be fair? Which is more just, letting B-More keep the win, that they didn't earn or correcting the mistake? So the players and coaches didn't blame the refs, so what? That means nothing. For one, everybody knows it was a bad call and if it would have been called right, the game would have been over; no OT. Two, how do you know they ain't say nothing? Well, I don't know that they did, so I'm not going to dispute you (all the way), but they had locker room time, team meeting time, and countless other times to discuss it away form the public and I don't doubt that they DID say it was a bad call. Maybe at the time they ain't know, but afterwards, when it was on the news and ESPN, you telling me that they ain't say it was the refs? Three, if they would have sat at a press conference and blamed the refs, you and I know that they would have been fined. Correct? I never said I think every call should be called correctly, dead at the spot. But it is possible to review the bad calls and correct them, if you don't believe this you are an idiot. Why can't it be done? And just because a team overcame bad calls means nothing except that they "overcame bad calls." They aren't out there to overcome bad calls, they are out there to play the other team. Moving on (somewhat) there are points in life where every detail is called correctly, so you are wrong right there. In addition, even if your claim was true (which it ain't) why should football or any other sport go by those pitiful standards. That doesn't make it okay, that doesn't make it right. Few other jobs pay what professional athletes make, and since it cost so much to see a professional game, I want the calls to be on point. So that's why football should be different. People don't pay (well, maybe you do) $50 and higher to see a whole lot of false calls. Your attitude that says we should just live with it is nonsense. No, they should get it right, or at least get it better. You think players go thru training camp, rehab, all of them practices, and whatever else there is, just to have the refs lose a game for them? If Beyonce' came up to me and said what you said she said (lol) then I would assume she was singing a song. Bamma what are the odds that she would come up to me and just start throwing at me? I can't say 100% what she is telling me unless she flat out says it dummy. Yes I might think the same thing you would think, but don't fake like THERE IS NO WAY she could be on a different subject. And why should I point out the pointlessness in that song when I already know you can't be honest. For the love of the man upstairs, you said Jada was tied with Luda. You said Luda was better than Lauryn Hill and tied with DMX. You said two sentence weren't remotely close when anybody would tell you otherwise. You even act like "Hey Ya" is about something, EVEN after we broke it down, ab libs and all. You act as if my lyrics penned for "Is that You Chick?" wouldn't make any difference to you. It would still be a good song. I give it to you, you go down with the ship. Your name is not Toby. You did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsk. Bamma, you are full of yourself as well as something else. As for the analogies, you missed the point. If I can't ball or write, I have no reason to call the Bulls asking if I can play, or the Post asking can I write for em. Most people that KNOW they can't sing, don't put out an album. Except your boy Pharrel, I can't think of anybody. True maybe some people can't rap and they still record, but YOU said HE knows he can't. If Luda can't rap, but he doesn't know that and he believes that he's tight, then I don't fault him. Well, I do but not as bad. With Timberland, if that bamma admitted to not being able to flow, I think he should either try to improve or hang it up like our coach did. Speaking of him, that was messed up. Like I said, I understand why he left but you don't go to the Superbowl in just two years; I wish he would have stayed. Cuz, Jerry Jones still gets up in the mix. He ain't even the one that made the first move to go get Parcels. Parcels came to him, and Jerry was on TV the other day talking about he doesn't plan on getting a vet to back up his sorry QB. What does he have to do with it? Maybe Bill wants a vet or just somebody better than Carter. As far as our owner, yes "cuz be messing up some stuff." But I don't know if I can blame him right here. Spurrier said he left because he didn't have the know how to win in the NFL and he's too old to be switching up; now maybe Dan Synder did have something to do with it, but we don't know that and Spurrier didn't point the finger at him. With Norv Turner and the other stuff, yeah you can blame it on Dan, but I don't know about this time. Maybe, but I don't know. They talking about getting Ray Rhodes or Dennis Green, but after the past few years, I refuse to get excited about ANY move the Skins make until they prove it to me. I don't care if they get Vick, Jerry Rice and the Tuna; I'm on chill.

"Return of the gangsta thanks to them niggas that think you soft and say y'all be gospel rappin, but they be steady clappin when you talk about bitches and switches and hoes and clothes and weed, let's talk about time travelin, rhyme javelin, somethin mind unravelin, GET DOWN!" - Andre 3000

Hmmmmm... well allow me to retort...

"I didn't see that game, just the highlights, but from my understanding, they blew the lead, but if the refs would have called it correctly, they still would have won... what they should have done was say, "we messed it up, we looked at the tape and the Seahawks get the W." - QS 1/4/04

That's the most idiotic thing I've ever heard! It's obvious you don't know what's goin on with the game - since you even said it. First of all, that mistake DID NOT cost the Seahawks the game. If the refs had got it right, all it would have done was force B'More to call their last timeout and it would have been harder for them to get in FG position. And they still could have done it. So, as usual, you're wrong. B'More still could have won. So why take a much needed W from B'More when they had a legitimate chance of winning, with or without the call?! ESPECIALLY when the Seahawks could have made sure it never got to that point?! I suggest you get an idea of what you're talking about before you make stupid ass assessments like that one!

"...but afterwards, when it was on the news and ESPN, you telling me that they ain't say it was the refs?" - QS 1/4/04

That's exactly what I'm telling you.

"But it is possible to review the bad calls and correct them, if you don't believe this you are an idiot." QS 1/4/04

No, YOU'RE the idiot for thinking anybody wants to watch a six or seven hour football game because they're gonna review EVERY "bad" call. A "bad" call is all in the eye of the beholder. I think the fans of the Skins and Cowboys might watch one "bad" call and have two TOTALLY different views of the "bad" call. Take your example at the beginnning of your post. What if it was Champ Bailey puttin the clamps on Derrick Mason? I'm sure you'd be ready to put a slug in that ref, but I'd be ready to take a slug for that ref, lol. We'd probably argue for weeks about that "bad" call. The point is, if every coach had the opportunity to review EVERY call, the game would be unwatchable! It would be long and no one would ever agree and all the great plays that happen in football would take a backseat to the 30 or 40 calls they reviewed. And those "bad" calls might be reversed and what if the other coach still disagrees? What then? Can he have it reviewed another time? Sometimes you amaze me with your inability to see the OTHER side of a situation!

"Moving on (somewhat) there are points in life where every detail is called correctly, so you are wrong right there." QS 1/4/04

Examples?

"Also, what up with the no reviewable calls? Every single call should be reviewable." - QS 1/4/04

I disagree. Pass interference and holdings are judgement calls. A ref can watch it a million times at a million angles and he still may make the same judgement, even if the coach or other officials disagree. Why waste time disputing one man's definition of PI or holding, when he's only gonna change his mind once out of every 30 or 40 times anyway? I mean, I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying I think it would hurt the game of football in general more than it would help it.

"How can you say players shouldn't infer that a given play caused them to lose? You have to know that one bad play can end it. You gotta know this." - QS 1/4/04

You have got SIXTY MINUTES that go into deciding a football game. SIXTY MINUTES! Bad play calling by the coordinators, bad defenses, missed blocking assignments, blown coverages, dropped passes, dropped INTs, turnovers, incomplete and off target passes, "bad" calls, CORRECT calls, GOOD blocks, GREAT reads, GREAT play calls, GREAT coverage, picking up blitzes, accidentally slipping, the weather, missed FGs, made FGs, TDs, XPs, 3 and outs, etcetera, etcetera... If you honestly in your heart think ONE bad call out of SIXTY MINUTES of football decides an ENTIRE game (ONE CALL?!), then I have a hard time believing you actually PLAYED football. Honestly! Let's go back to your example. What if the exact same "bad" call was made and my team was down 30? If we get on the one and score and time runs out do we win?! ABSOLUTELY NOT! It's clear that for that call to even be a factor that there had to be FIFTY NINE MINUTES AND FIFTY NINE SECONDS OF FOOTBALL for the game to even get to that point! And in that FIFTY NINE MINUTES AND FIFTY NINE SECONDS OF FOOTBALL each team probably had NUMEROUS CHANCES to keep the game from being decided on a PI call in the end zone! So if ONE BAD CALL really did decide an ENTIRE game of football, then it wouldn't matter if the score was tied or if it was a blowout! MORON!

"For the love of the man upstairs, you said Jada was tied with Luda. You said Luda was better than Lauryn Hill and tied with DMX. You said two sentence weren't remotely close when anybody would tell you otherwise. You even act like "Hey Ya" is about something, EVEN after we broke it down, ab libs and all." - QS 1/4/04

That's my opinion. I can't believe you're saying I'm LYING about my own opinion! As I said before, Jada/Lox albums all SUCK! You even admitted his flaw of bein fire on everybody else's stuff and his stuff is lame. So tell him to quit bein fire on collabos and come with his OWN goods and then I'd say he's better than Luda! And what have DMX and Lauryn Hill done since their debut albums?! ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! And as far as Hey Ya goes, it has a point as I have posted numerous times. You're wrong. The artist even tells us the point and you're still runnin your dicksucker! Why can't you admit it has a point? I'd post it again, but you'd conveniently ignore it, just like you conveniently ignore the song's VERSES (not made up Qoolout verses), and go ramblin on about when he was talkin to the crowd and his band, so why do you even bring it up?

Those sentences aren't remotely close. Again, just cause a sentence has the same words, doesn't mean the point is the same. I clearly demonstrated that with other examples. Why you ignore them is a demon you'll have to face. And it's funny how you bring up Pharrell, even when he contradicts your wack ass rule! lol Pharrell knows he can't sing, but he does it anyway. It's his decision; who are YOU to tell him he can't sing? Not everybody follows your wack ass rules of life. I said that I agree that one shouldn't call up the Bulls or Post if they admittedly can't hoop or write (you must have missed that like you normally miss everything else). BUT TIMBO AND PHARRELL AREN'T DOING THAT! Pharrell and Timbo aren't calling Rap-A-Lot, Bad Boy, Def Jam, Rocafella, etc. and going "We can't rap/sing, sign us up!" Timbo and For Real/Pharrell are making their OWN stuff on their OWN dime they get from all the tight beats they produce. If I take my hard earned money and produce an dstribute an R&B album when I know I can't sing, then that's MY decision and I'm not bringing anybody down with me!

As far as Jones saying that about gettin a QB, I doubt he said that as a final word. He's probably saying that to back up Quincy Carter and give him some confidence or keep from calling him out in the public. Check back after the trade and sign deadlines, then we'll see. Parcells will get what he wants from Jones, trust me. And even if they don't get a QB, the fact that the Cowboys sucked on O is probably only 20% Quincy Smith/Carter's fault. They had ZERO running game and Carter is not Manning or should I say, Joe Theismann or Mark Rypien? They need to address that ground game before they address gettin a veteran QB.

In all honesty, your Skins are in good shape. If they keep Champ, your D will still be fire. You'll get Ramsey back, you still got a decent O line. Like the Cowboys, all you need is a running game and y'all might be playoff bound. Be glad Spurrier is gone. He wasn't going to adjust to the NFL soon enough. Next year, their coach will emphasize the run more than Spurrier would have. He traded Stephen Davis like a dummy. Unlike college, where teams like Vandy and Duke are always on the schedule to boost your teams confidence when you win 55-3, the NFL ain't like that. The worst team has a good chance of upsetting the best team because the gap isn't as wide. But Spurrier didn't feel like putting in the work it took to succeed in the NFL, so it's best he left. Snyder will go out and get a proven coach who knows what it takes and if not next year, the Skins probably should be in the playoffs in the 05/06 season - barring any terrible trades or key player leaving.

If this split national championship ain't some nonsense...

I'm out like split national champions. Peace.

"Do I blow you away?" - Beyonce

And by the way, if you can't recognize what Beyonce is talkin about in that song by how she's singing and what she says, then I am 100% sure you two will never get married. I mean, you realistically had a chance because who knows what would happen if y'all actually met. But I now see if y'all met, it wouldn't do you no good. Now if she came up to me spittin all that, I'd be on that ass faster than Steve Spurrier on a plane out of DC! Whoa. That's pretty fast. I mean, damn, son, she'd go "Undress me, undress me, undress me" and you'd be like "What for? I'm not sure what you're talking about. Can you clarify?" LMAO!

You flunkie.

I'm out like Beyonce would be after Qool couldn't recognize the signs. Peace!

You are a sad clown cuz. I already stated that I ain't see the game, so why is my statement the most idiotic thing you've heard? I noticed that the more somebody makes sense against you, the more you come with the name calling and other nonsense. When you actually have a point that is hard to dispute, you talk with reason and are somewhat persuasive, but when a brother shows how stupid you truly are, you just run off at the mouth...interesting. Anyway, a bad call is a bad call, not in the eye of the beholder. The NFL even admitted the mistake and you still wanna act as if the call was cool. Man, it ain't even nothing I can say about it. If THEY even said it was the wrong call, you need to just accept it. Certain people are conditioned to go along with things, just because that's how things are. You seem to be one of these people. It does not matter if B-More needed the win, you can say the Seahawks needed the win. If a team didn't earn it then they don't deserve it and therefore should not get it. Now you have brought it to my attention that my example wouldn't apply to that particular game. Fine. First of all, you lie so much I don't even know if I should believe you. Second, giving you the benefit of the doubt and ignoring all of the many lies you have typed on here before, I accept that my example ain't fit right there FOR THAT GAME, but there are plenty of bad calls that cause games, and in that case the NFL needs to go back afterwards and give the "win" to the correct team. See you are so used to bad calls and the fact that teams have to live with the "L" that me saying "No, let's makes it right" scares you. It interrupts what you're used to. It's easier to just leave it like it is, right? No, wrong MORON. It's fools like you that keep the NFL and other sports the way they are. If more people demanded better refin' then you would see a change. You are the only clown who would admit that he'd pay his money but ain't really concerned if the right team wins. Bamma, you might as well pay 8 bucks for a movie and don't even trip if half the scenes are missing or if they can't be heard. You might as well pay $100 plus for some Jordans and don't complain if they melt in the rain. Speak up for what's right, dummy. If something is wrong, don't just leave it like that, try to fix it. See
that's why you just accept music like Luda's and probably call him one of the best. LOL, sad and funny at the same time. Moving on, how do you know what a team said when the cameras weren't there? That's right, you don't. More lies. Moving on, you think correcting a worng PI is a waste of time? I'm not sure and that's why I'm asking? Fool, PI is clear cut. You can bump 5 yards off the line or so and you can make some contact when going for the ball. You need to brush up on the rules before I can even discuss this aspect with you. Eye of the beholder indeed, lol. Moving on, God doesn't make mistakes so everything he does is correct; hence you now have an example. Moving on, I find it hard to believe that you are this stupid, thus I have to believe that "you go down with the ship" like I said yesterday. Look, if you play 59 minutes of football and you have the lead DESPITE WHATEVER MISTAKES YOU'VE MADE, if you have the lead and the refs make a bad or WRONG call, THAT CALL MADE YOU LOSE. Yes, that one call was the deciding factor. The mistakes a given team made, was the teams fault, but they overcame that; that's what they are out there to do, not to compete against the refs. Okay, answer this question for me with a yes or no. If my team is up with four seconds left and the ref makes the WRONG call, which puts the other team on the goal line, and that other team wins because of that, that's my fault? When if the correct call was called we win? And that's my team's fault? Why? Because we should have been up by more points? You can't be flippin serious. I don't think even you will go down with the ship right here, but we'll see. Moving on, I never said the LOX album sucks. Youngin, that last L.O.X CD is one of the best rap CDs in the last decade. Fool, Jada's solo wasn't as tight as I expected it to be, but like I said, it has 3 or 4 tight songs. That's 3 more than I've ever (in my whole entire life) heard from Ludatrix. And I don't believe that you really believe that cuz is better, thus I can call it a lie. Also, DMX's last CD was okay and "...Then There Was X" is fire so what are you talking about this time? And what band does cuz from Outkast have? LOL, that's him...that's all him. On the song and in the video. Beyonce's and Lucy Lui has nothing to do with anything in Hey Ya. Go re-read the lyrics/ad libs/whatever you wanna call it and ask yourself, "Does this really have a point?" Moving on, I can say somebody can't sing if I want to say it. So the "who am I question," was a waste of time. Anyway, I bring up Pharrell because...dummy I already told you why I mentioned him. He is the only person I could think of who said they can not sing, but continues to sing. And again you miss the point. I'm saying if Tim says it himself, why is he doing it. He shouldn't be... just like I shouldn't call the Bulls etc. It ain't about all the BS that you are bringing with "Well if they hire me" and blah blah blah. It ain't about that, it's about should I even do it. Again, I know you understand, but since you have to insist that your name ain't Toby, your hands are tied. You can't change your mind even if you wanted to, right? Moving on, Q. Cater is sorry cuz and there are a number of QB's that have no running game and they still go deep in the playoffs. But yeah a running game is a huge help and they should get one and all that. But all I was saying is that he's sorry and I predict that next year, he'll be a back-up. If not the first week, by week 5. And Jerry Jones said what he said, why must YOU try to explain it to me? LOL, I heard him I don't need you (of all people) to put a spin on it. If Jerry Jones was all "hands off" as people say, he wouldn't be talking about getting or not getting a QB. Or he'd say, "Bill wants/does not want..." etc etc. Lastly, if Beyonce' came up to you singing a song and you just rushed her and commenced to take it, you would be in jail so fast and I'd be laughin my rectum off, dummy. If she really wanted me I'd find out, I wouldn't just let her go. I don't know about you, but most grown men know how to make sure everything is everything before they "close the deal." And if I meet her...I mean.. WHEN I do meet Beyonce' it's gonna be on like popcorn...whatever that means.

"

His name was Kunta, dumb ass.

"I already stated that I ain't see the game, so why is my statement the most idiotic thing you've heard?" - QS 1/6/04

For you to make the statement that the league should reverse the W and give it to the Seahawks when you don't know what actually happened is a pretty idiotic thing to do. First of all, that call did NOT cost the Seahawks the game. Had they got the call right, B'More probably would have used their last TO to stop the clock. It would have made it harder for them to get into FG position, but that doesn't mean it couldn't have been done! It might have forced them into a Hail Mary that could have been caught, just like in the Zona/Vikings game. B'More still would have had a decent chance, so to take the win from em because the refs made a mistake would assume a lot against B'More which wouldn't be fair at all! Plus, the league didn't say the refs cost the Seahawks the game; they said the refs made a mistake that hurt the Seahawks. It hurt them, BUT THEY STILL HAD A CHANCE TO WIN! Plus, I NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER said the mistake was cool. You won't find anything REMOTELY close to that. All I said was it didn't cost the Seahawks the game. And I've NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER said we should settle for bad officiating. When did I say anything remotely close to that? Of course, I feel there's room for improvement. My stance has been, and will continue to be, that referees do NOT cost a team a game on ONE bad call. Maybe - MAYBE - on several bad calls, but ONE? That's asinine!

"Fool, PI is clear cut. You can bump 5 yards off the line or so and you can make some contact when going for the ball." - QS 1/6/04

Ok, peep this, Jack. Have you ever watched a game and there's an incomplete pass near the receiver and there's some contact and the receiver gets up begging for a flag and the ref throws it and the DB goes nuts cause he disagrees? You and I know the rulebook definition of PI, but that doesn't mean every PI call or non call is that clear cut. Why do you think receivers and DBs often disagree over it? And your definition is extremely vague. You can make A TON of contact if the ball is uncatchable or tipped. You can't make ANY contact if you don't turn your head and make a play on the ball. And all those are JUDGEMENT calls. I understand that some PI calls or non calls are blatantly wrong SOMETIMES, but you can't just review the blatanly wrong and ignore the not so blatant ones. The point of replay is not to get EVERY call right. Again, if it was, no one would watch these six and seven hour football games. It's purpose is to give coaches an opportunity to question a call they feel might adversely affect the outcome of a game. But still, you mean to tell me you ain't never seen a PI call that could go either way? You ain't NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER seen a PI call or non call that wasn't clear cut? Honestly? Honestly, Qool? Even after a replay? You really believe PI is ALWAYS clear cut? Always, Qool? Honestly? Honestly?

"Moving on (somewhat) there are points in life where every detail is called correctly, so you are wrong right there." QS 1/4/04

That childish example with God ain't gonna cut it. God isn't on the field refereeing the game. HUMANS are! We're talking about flawed HUMANS calling a football game. Do you hold the refs up to God's standards? Since God is perfect, the refs must call football games perfect? Did you seriously post that nonsense about God?! That's your example?! A perfect NON HUMAN?! Ok, can you give me an example considering the HUMAN element of imperfection where every detail is called correctly?

"Moving on, how do you know what a team said when the cameras weren't there? That's right, you don't. More lies." - QS 1/6/04

I didn't know you were referring to the locker rooms and off camera. You said "Maybe at the time they ain't know, but afterwards, when it was on the news and ESPN, you telling me that they ain't say it was the refs?" and I thought you were talking about them being in the news or ESPN after they found out. I apologize. I misunderstood. You're right. Off camera, I don't know. However, when asked about it in the news and on ESPN, they didn't blame the refs or the mistake. They blamed themselves. That's all I meant to convey.

"If my team is up with four seconds left and the ref makes the WRONG call, which puts the other team on the goal line, and that other team wins because of that, that's my fault?" - QS 1/6/04

It's absolutely not your fault, but it's not the other team's fault, either. That's what you fail to realize. You CANNOT punish a team because of ONE bad call! What about earlier "bad" calls? They don't matter anymore? Why do you focus on just the "final" one? For the sake of argument, let's say things unfold like you say they should. Let's say the Colts are up 24-20 on the Chiefs next week. The Chiefs get the ball and throw a hail mary and PI is called, but it's a "bad" call. The Chiefs get it on the one, score, and win. So later the league apologizes and says it was not PI, reverses the W and the Colts still win. So what if the Chiefs go to the league and say, "We had a TD called back on holding. It's not holding. Plus, on this blocked FG, the guy is lined up offsides. That cost us 10 points." So the league reviews it and the Chiefs are right. Can they re-reverse it? Should every game came down to how many "bad" calls the league finds and whoever has the most go against them, then that team wins? As you asked about pointless bars, where do we draw the line? I admit that it is technically possible to review all questionable calls, but the league is trying to limit the amount of controversy around replays which is why they limit it to ball spots or catches - where conclusive evidence will prove the ball hit the ground or his knee was down or his arm was going forward. Things like hldong or PI are what the league (not just me) refers to as judgement calls and feel that the game is best served if those calls are best left up to the officials. And I happen to agree. Since you don't, then fine, but don't act like EVERY call type should be up for review because it's always "clear cut."

"And I don't believe that you really believe that cuz (Luda) is better (than Jada), thus I can call it a lie." QS 1/6/04

No you can't, dumb ass, cause I didn't say Luda was better than Jada. I said it was a tie... lol, how you gon twist that, MORON? Anyway, I'm through debating my opinion with someone who clowns Ludacris and then reps Wish Bone (on a song he didn't even spit on) and Memphis Bleek (all that marketing; he still flops). You can have your opinion. I personally think all of DMX's albums after his debut were suspect. But if you like em, fine. I personally think all LOX and other related CDs by their members are atrocious. In fact, I was listening to DMX's debut the other day and was reminded why I couldn't stand them back then. But that's my opinion. If you thought they was tight, then fine. Whatever.

"And what band does cuz from Outkast have? LOL, that's him...that's all him." QS - 1/6/04

In real life, Qool, yes, it's him. But as it is CLEARLY portrayed in the video, the band is made up of different characters (i.e. Andre 3000, Johnny Vulture, Possum Jenkins, the Love Haters, etc.) Did you miss that? Like the Klumps are all played by Eddie Murphy, but he plays different CHARACTERS? Did you miss that? There's Sherman, (come on) Cletus, the mamma, the brother, plus Buddy? Did you miss that? In Austin Powers with Beyonce, Mike Myers plays Austin, Goldmember, Fat Bastard, and Dr. Evil? Did you miss that? Andre 3000 plays about 6 distinct members. Moving on (somewhat), the artist tells us the point. I have explained it to you. Why can't you admit you're wrong? Why must you say stupid things like Beyonce and Lucy Liu have nothing to do with the song when they are CLEARLY metaphors for other attractive women listening in the audience? CLEARLY! Why must you make up verses? Why do you ignore the songs real verses and point to him talking the band and audience like it has nothing to do with anything? Why, Qool, why, must you make up incorrect inconclusions just because you can't admit you're wrong? WHY MUST YOU DEBATE WITH THE ARTIST WHEN HE TELLS US THE POINT OF HIS SONG?! You're a joke!

"Lastly, if Beyonce came up to you singing a song and you just rushed her and commenced to take it, you would be in jail so fast and I'd be laughin my rectum off, dummy." QS - 1/6/04

Maybe. If she sang it. But I'm talkin about if she SAID it to me. You know? TALKING? That whole conversation thing? Saying and singing are two different things. I said if she SAID - Not SANG. SAID. NOT SANG. SAID. NOT SANG. Get it? Yes? No? Anyway, if she SAID "Undress me, undress me" or if she SAID, "Here's your chance to make your move" and this was SAID to me, the only place I'm goin fast is all up in that - quite legally. If she SAID those things TO YOU, and you think to yourself, "Aw, she's just singing a song" even though she SAYS them to you and is TALKING to you, then playa, that's your interpretation.

I wanna apologize for any confusion about Jerry Jones. I wasn't trying to put a twist on it. I wasn't trying to explain it to you. I was just lettin you know what I thought about the situation. I was just givin you my opinion on that. You could be right. I just think Parcells runs the show, no matter what is said on camera. That's just me. And I admit that you have a right to say that Timbo and Pharrell shouldn't rap or sing since they know they can't. I agree that people who can't hoop or write should not be calling up the Bulls or the Post. I'm just saying your analogies were off. Timbo and Pharrell aren't calling anybody saying "Sign me up." Or "Give me a job!" They produce their own songs and album and distribute them on their OWN dime. It's on them and not some other organization that they tried to get on with. A better analogy would be, I probably shouldn't produce my own newpsaper if I can't report the news very well.

I'm out like Brian Westbrook. Peace!

"I swing it like a bat, but these balls are not whiffle" - Ludacris

"I refuse to get excited about ANY move the Skins make until they prove it to me." - QS

You got to be halfway excited about Gibbs. Come on, Cletus, just a little, right?

H*WOOD, you've repped Cassidy before. From the video I saw with him and R. Kelly, he's wack. And it has nothing to do with the song cause R. Kelly and the beat and hook are straight. But his flow and lyrics are lame. What songs by Cassidy are any good?

I'm out like Joe Gibbs from retirement. Peace!

Dummy, I know what his name was, but the point is: cuz was being stubborn. He didn't care about taking a beating or anything else. Something, I assume his pride or some other personal beliefs, just made that man say "I refuse to do it." Thus I said YOUR name ain't Toby. Because even thought you've been proven wrong and people besides myself can read it, you don't care. YOU GO DOWN WITH THE SHIP. Unlike Kunta, you are incorrect but still wanna go down with it, but very much like Kunta you are gonna be stubborn, no matter the outcome. Anyway, I already said taking away the W does not apply in that B-More game. Why the long rant? Do you just like to see yourself type? I already admitted my example ain't fit? See, I'm not Bill Clinton, although I met him. Although we both are strong-minded people and have a lot of other similarities, I'm not him. I don't go down with the ship, if I can jump off of it and still live, idiot. A bad call can make the wrong team win. I would continue to argue this, but what is it to argue? If the ref makes the wrong call at the end of the game, that is a bad call and it may very well alter the outcome of the game. (shaking my head) You really don't get that? How can any educated sane man or woman not get that? Moving on, PI is clear-cut. So what if a receiver is begging for a flag? Yeah, if he didn't catch it he wants a flag. Just like Leon, point the finger at anybody but yourself. No, I've never seen the receiver beg for a flag and then get it, ONLY after begging. What game was that, if you saw it? And if I did see a PI that wasn’t clear-cut, I don't remember it; so tell me when you saw it. If there are so many I guess you'll be able to give me a few examples. Moving on, LOL don't gimme that. God is my answer and I played that card cause it ain't no way you can dispute it. Moving on, we are on two different aspects. You are saying looking at the bad calls would take too much time. I'm saying let's cut down on the bad calling all together. Work, train, and pay the refs full time and that takes away a good deal of the bad calls. Next, you seem to think that the league doesn't know it's a bad call until AFTER the game. Cuz, they know right there on the spot, during the game. You know how many bammas they got checking the stats and calls and all that other stuff? Well I don't either, but as soon as the call is made and you see the reply 3 or 4 times you have a pretty good idea if it was the right or wrong call. They can have somebody in the booth or box office or whatever it is they use, buzz them (like they do now) and say, “0y'all called it wrong; here is the correct call.” Now that wouldn't take 7 hours because like I said, better training eliminates a lot of those bad calls. And yes every play should be open to review. I think it's silly to say don't question me on a certain call, but can question me on others. So are you perfect on certain calls, but make mistakes on others. I guess you agree with the OT rule too, huh? Because if both teams get the ball that would take up too much time. Bamma if you need to be somewhere other than watching the football game, go there but me and mine wanna see the real game with the right calls. If it takes TOO long for you then so be it. Moving on, I have to let you know that you had me cracking up rollllling when you told me the actual names of the Outkast band? LOL, you are sad. For real, did you have that info committed to memory or did you look it up when you posted? Just wanna know. Man, if saying Beyonce' really was a metaphor, how can you put CLEARLY up in that? I didn’t know it meant attractive women and Lucy Liu would not be in my attractive category. Whatever, you are reaching. Go ahead down with that boat. And if Beyonce’ wanted me and I was confused about it she could always make it clear. This ain't no video game where I only have a few seconds to decide and I gotta guess and gamble. And since no stranger has ever seriously come up to me and ordered me to undress them I'd be skeptical. Maybe this has happened to you (which I doubt) or maybe you have to jump on any opportunity you can get (which I believe), if so that would explain why you would be in it quick. Cuz my analogies had nothing to do with whatever it is you are talking about here. First of all, how can you like Tim’s raps, but not Bleek’s? Let’s deal with that first. And how do you know who they call up and talk to? And them bammas are NOT distributing jack on there own dime. Where did you read that nonsense? If you own one of their CD’s LOL, which I’m sure you do, go peep the fine print. Anyway, youngin do you not understand that whatever rap cred you had, you are losing? Tim is cool, but not Bleek? Luda being TIED with Jada. The Double R L.O.X CD atrocious? Nas having only one good album? Luda in the top 15? Your views on LL? I could go on. Where will it end? Do you even listen to rap? Oh yeah, my analogy was straight. Let me break it down for you. If person “A” can’t ball (and knows it) he should not call the Bulls trying to be on the team. If person “B” can’t rap (and knows it) he should not go in the studio trying to spit. Do you see the parallel? Both lack the skills and KNOW IT. It all comes back to getting what you pay for, like how you don’t care if the football games are called correctly. If Tim KNOWS he can’t rap and according to you SAID IT…ADMITED IT why would I buy his compact disc? Now that (and you) is (are) truly asinine. Does he expect me to want his cd if he can’t flow? Probably not. So do you see why he shouldn’t even waste his time? Yeah I know, probably not. Get ready to be shipwrecked. I guess I’ll go listen to some Canibus Second Round Knock-Out. You know why. Oh yeah, he’s better than Luda too. Moving on, you think Parcells got in contact with Jerry Jones (this is fact) who ONWS the team (this is fact), and he runs the show? DESPITE what Jerry says on camera? Based on what? Based on you said it so you gotta live with it because you love going down with ships? Okay, I guess it’s possible; maybe the Tuna really does call the shots…even thought I have nothing to base this on I guess its possible. Just FYI, in one of Dallas’ games this season a lineman was hurt and was sitting on the sideline watching. Jerry Jones came from out of the booth (or from somewhere) touched that man on the leg and said “Son, I need you to get in that game for me.” And this idiot went. So did Parcells make a call to Jerry and tell em to do that? Moving on, I like that Cassidy joint with the Pied Pipper. I be cracking up watching it and my girl can’t stand it. But yeah, Kelly saves it. Lastly, I was catching some z’s the other day when the alarm clock woke me. The first thing I heard was the DJ’s talking about the Skins got Gibbs to come and coach. I first thought I was dreaming and then I thought they were joking. After I understood the situation, I admit I ACCIDENTALLY got excited. Cuz took us to the Super Bowl 4 times so I got caught up in that. But by time I headed out to work I had remembered my vow. I recalled getting Spurrier and Deion and Bruce Smith and just about everybody else. Then I calmed down, so when people came up to me at work saying blah blah blah I told them “I’m on chill.” Cuz been outta football for over a decade so I don’t see how he can be an instance success. Of course I thought we were playoff bound this year but really we could only muster 5 wins. My point is, I don’t know what’s going to happen and I’m not getting all worked up like I’ve done about the Wizards and Skins for the last five or six years.

"No longer living in fear my pistol close in hand, convinced this is my year like I'm the chosen man..." - 2Pac

So if the people at work called you "Dumb A$$ N*gger Monkey" and you maintained your name was QS, you'd be stubborn? lol

"God is my answer and I played that card cause it ain't no way you can dispute it." - QS 1/12/04

No, that's your answer because you suck at debating. Comparing GOD'S infallibility to HUMAN refereeing is moronic. You still haven't answered the question and I suspect you won't. Plus, you said "points" as in PLURAL as in MORE THAN ONE. So even if I accepted that God answer - which I don't - you still owe me one more.

"Anyway, youngin do you not understand that whatever rap cred you had, you are losing?" - QS 1/12/04

Do you think I care if I lose any rap credibility on this predominantly East Coast biased thread? Or any thread? Or anywhere?lol... Am I supposed to hide the fact that I enjoy Southern rap because 5 or 6 cats on the i-net (fam-o) I don't even really know don't like it? Maybe you come on here looking for acceptance about the music you enjoy, but I don't give a “flying flikkerin fukk what you think about my taste in rap/hip-hop, lol... "Rap cred?" Negro please. I ain't even gonna try to slide in any jabs about music you enjoy that I personally find wack. Let's just say that Hillis has no "rap cred" in Qoolout's opinion? Ok? And staying along those lines, I'm not about to debate about which MC is wacker between Tim and Bleek. Peep this, Jack. I look at Timbo like I'm trying to hoop with 10 and we only got 9. So Timbo is there and we ask if he'll run, and he tells us he sucks, but we pick him up just to run. So he proceeds to turn the ball over and get crossed by his man and lit up, but we can't really be mad cause he told us the situation. Bleek is that cat that swears up and down he's nice, but in the game he jacks up threes because he thinks goin for 1 for 20 behind the arc is ok, and he drives 1 on 4 because he made that shot 6 years ago on the high school JV team and thinks it's a high percentage shot. He shoots his team out the game and pisses them off. Now, I'm NOT saying that's how YOU should look at it, but that's how I do. I'll just leave it at that.

"Anyway, I already said taking away the W does not apply in that B-More game. Why the long rant?" - QS 1/12/04

Because you asked me why I thought it was the most idiotic thing I've ever heard.

"No, I've never seen the receiver beg for a flag and then get it, ONLY after begging. What game was that, if you saw it?" - QS 1/12/04

If I worded my statements in a way that implied that the receiver got the flag because he begged for it, then I apologize. The reason the ref called PI is irrelevant. I was pointing out the different reactions to it. The receiver thought it was PI, the ref agreed; however, the DB didn't. In the Colts/Chiefs game, Tony Gonzalez was called for PI on a TD he scored. After the game he said it was a bad call. Personally, I thought Gonzalez pushed off and it was a valid call, but it was kind of weak so I understood his side. My roommate agreed it could have gone either way. I'm sure the DB thought it was PI because Gonzalez injured him when he pushed off of him. The point is, it wasn't blatantly one way or the other as you seem to think ALL PI calls are. And for someone who supposedly played football - and receiver at that - to think ALL PI calls are clear cut is mind boggling.

"If it takes TOO long for you then so be it." - QS 1/12/04

I agree that officiating can always improve and that refs should be full time. I also think it's silly to say that a ref is always correct on certain calls, but others are up for interpretation. But in my OPINION, I think if you just make every call reviewable you take it back to the old way of instant replay that hurt the game. If you'll recall, there was a recent time when the NFL didn't have instant replay. Before that, they did. But players, coaches, GMs, and presidents didn't like it because it took too long - especially in a close game after the final two minute warning. They felt it slowed down the natural flow of the game and the refs took too long deciding on calls. Plus the refs, usually are about 90-95% anyway. So they got rid of it. But now it's back in the amended form to keep the flow of the game while still giving coaches to determine calls which truly might decide the outcome of the game. Plus the refs have a time limit. And you might be surprised to know, that some of the league don't like instant replay at all. Your way could be done, but I just think it would lessen the watchability of games. In my opinion. And yes, I like the NFL OT rule. I like the college rule, too, but I like the NFL rule more. It's no different from time of possesion. Why whine cause you ain't get the ball in OT? Play some damn defense!

"If the ref makes the wrong call at the end of the game, that is a bad call and it may very well alter the outcome of the game." - QS 1/12/04

I agree with that statement; however, that's not what you've really been arguing. But ONE call BY ITSELF does NOT cost a team an ENTIRE game! An ENTIRE game? Sure, it can alter the outcome of a game just like a missed block, or a crucial drop, or an untimely fumble, or all the other normal happenings of a game. I answer your questions; answer mine! What about that same "bad" call in the first or second quarter? Does it not matter then? What if the Chiefs got more bad calls against them earlier but the Colts just got that bad PI at the end? Which team gets the win then? I wonder what it's like to play b-ball with you. I guess if Qoolout does or doesn't think it's a foul it, Qool must be right because it's "clear cut." FLIP OUTTA HERE! You gonna tell me that whenever you hoop you ain't never been in or at least seen a situation where two cats were arguin about a foul call?!

"Man, if saying Beyonce really was a metaphor, how can you put CLEARLY up in that? I didn’t know it meant attractive women and Lucy Liu would not be in my attractive category." - QS 1/12/04

I guess you and the 2 other people who didn't understand that can discuss it all day. So since Qool doesn't think Lucy Liu is attractive, then she must not be, huh? Come on, dun! You gotta at least know that Lucy Liu is widely considered an attractive woman. Very attractive in my opinion. And he said "Beyonces" and "Lucy Lius," as in PLURAL, as in MORE THAN ONE! Of course, you're probably just pretending to miss that to cling to your incorrect conclusion that Hey Ya doesn't have a point. Down with the ship, indeed. And yeah, I have all those names memorized. He's referred to himself by those names WAY before Hey Ya came out so I already knew the names. Shouldn't you know that already "Hey Ya Expert?"

"Maybe you have to jump on any opportunity you can get (which I believe), if so that would explain why you would be in it quick." - QS 1/12/04

Maybe. Either way, I'm cuttin Beyonce and you're still wonderin what she meant. And if I were you, I'd be skeptical if a fine ass woman asked me to undress her, too... lol

Again, you may be right about Jerry Jones and Bill Parcells; however, most football pundits know that Parcells likes to have a LOT of control, and if he doesn't get it, he'll bounce like he did in New England. Those same pundits also know that Jerry Jones likes to meddle in football affairs more than he should. So for a coach like Parcells to go work with an owner like Jones makes me believe that there was some type of agreement that Jones will stay out of the way. And with them making the playoffs, I think Parcells hold on the Boys have strengthened. Kind of like I think Snyder will stay out of Gibbs way. And FYI, when you try and clown me on what I think about Parcells and Jones, it makes you look stupid when you acknowledge that I'm right after you TRY and clown me, MORON... Now, you said you liked the Cassidy song; but what do you think of Cassidy as an MC?... I been listenin to Through The Wire cause it's all over the place and I gotta admit that Kanye has me crackin up. Of course, two songs ain't gonna have me change my tune yet...
Your analogies sucked. If I call up the Bulls or the Post, I'm probably lookin to get paid by the Bulls or the Post. Timbo ain't gettin paid by no one but the people buying his records. Nothin else to say man, your analogies suck!

Flippin computer!

Maybe my "rap cred" is chillin with your clout... lol

I'm out like my rap cred. Peace!

Dag, ain’t nobody up on this joint. We’ll see what happens when I no longer exist. First things first, if somebody is whipping you and it hurts, and all you gotta do is say your name is (fill in the blank with anything) and you refuse to say the name, yes I think that that is stubborn. If you want the beating to stop, and can easily stop it, but you don’t want to give in, that’s stubborn. Moving on, the fact of the matter is that my "God example" was correct. I appreciate that you can’t actually say it was wrong (not while telling the truth) so you went with the standard call it moronic line. I understand. Proved wrong ONCE AGAIN so you had to lash out with the name-calling, lol. And no I’m not gonna make it plural when you won’t even admit the first example was on point. Moving on, I was cracking up when I read your Tim/Bleek B-ball story. I actually understood your point, and even concur that you surprisingly have a point. I’d hate to mess up this rarity with some knowledge dropping, but a man’s gotta do… you know the rest. Your story was entertaining and germane, however, it was slightly flawed. See in that piece of fiction, y’all picked up Tim because y’all wanted to ball and there was nobody else available. But when I go to purchase some music, there are plenty of better offers. I can hoop with peeps with skill; they are there for the picking. If I walked in the store wanting to buy a good cd and it ain’t nobody but Tim, I’d keep my money. On the court, I’d ball with him FOR FREE, but if it’s money on the game we gotta play another time. I used to work at a newspaper and they had free CDs all the time. So I got P!nk’s joint and a weak Bobby Brown CD among some others. Now if there was a rule where I could only get one and it was between Bleek and Tim, you know who I’d get. Let’s make it relevant to your story. If Bleek was there, swearing he was Jordan, but really played like a high-schooler, and Tim was there saying he sucked and played like a peewee league player, who would you get? The better baller, right? It ain’t about trash talk, it’s about the one with the better skills. It seems like you are saying Bleek ain’t that good of a rapper, AND HE AIN’T. But the question is, “Is he better than Tim (or Luda)?” and the answer is yes! And to answer your question about you caring, yes. I think you do care. You are the one who goes months back to find quotes and the one who lies even in the face of the truth. But that wasn’t even where I was going. I was just telling you that you have lost rap cred and I want you to know it. You don’t care? Fine. But do you know it? I just want you to know it. And I still say the thread, or what’s left of it ain’t bais. Personally, I like people who make sense and can flow. Most people I know, including myself don’t care where the rapper was born or rasied. “Are they any good?” is what others and I care about here and off the thread. You would see me reping Tigger and Nonchalant all day long if I gave points for a particular region. If I happen to hate Ludacris’ flow and the Skeet Skeet guys it ain’t because they reside or claim a certain spot. It’s cause they suck on the mic. Who on here said they are bias to the East? Moving on, PI calls being mind boggling to you does not surprise me at all. I felt what you were saying about the games being longer and all that, but I disagree with some of it, mainly the OT rule. I think both teams should touch the ball, just my thoughts. In time I predict that rule will change, but I guess no time soon. You can play great D, but if the offense plays great offense, we both know they can get 3. Since you are talking about watchabilty (is that even a word?) I think letting both teams get it would make it more exciting, but above that it would be FAIRER. Say a team drives down to the 20 in OT. You probably wouldn’t see them just kick it on first down for 3. If they knew the other team gets it and could turn it into a TD, they’d play with more effort. Oh yeah, while we’re on making the NFL better. I really hate the kneel-down play. Since I was watching football back in the day, too young to understand it, I always felt this was cheating. Back then I called it cheating. Now I know it’s not really cheating, but I think you should have to run or throw and risk losing the ball. Again, this just makes it more watch-able. And I feel I have been arguing the same point. A bad call can alter the game. To answer your question, yes, this is true in the 1st quarter to the last. If the refs make a bad call on the first play of the game and it puts the offense on the goal line, that’s important. That’s almost a free TD if they get in and undeserving. Now the cheated team has time to overcome that bad call, but that don’t make it right. And if the team loses by a TD you’d see why. Also, that unfair TD will make the other team play differently trying to tie it instead of maybe playing conservatively. The short answer is yes, it hurts at any time in the game. But it is worse at the end. And an untimely fumble, a missed block and all that other stuff is a player’s or team’s fault. The ref’s bad call is the ref’s/league’s fault. You ain’t got to wonder what’s it’s like to hoop with me. Just know I play by the rules. If you foul me and you say it ain’t a foul, somebody is wrong. Yeah I’ve seen two people argue over a call and somebody was wrong. Moving on, ain’t nobody say Hey Ya even had a point but you. Everybody I asked ain’t know or they said he doesn’t have a point. You are the sole fan that says he has a point. Thus you are clinging and going down with the ship. Bamma the Beyonce’ metaphor was NOT clear-cut at all. Go ask your roommate if he understood it. And I was just saying I wasn’t feeling Lucy. Being attractive is in the EYE OF THE BEHOLDER and since she ain’t attractive to me, she ain’t attractive. I can’t speak for you. But I was just saying I didn’t know why he shouted their names. Don’t try to switch to a differt factor. I figured he was just putting stuff in the song with no real reason, kinda like when he says “Alright” 5 to fifty-five times. I didn’t know nor care that he used them names before and no I should not have known. It’s pointless, kinda like Hey Ya and (fill in the blank with almost any other single by cuz). And if you want to hit Beyonce’ and end up in jail for rape, that would be your logic. Where as I can hit her knowing she wants it, or just not hit it at all and I’d still have my freedom. FYI, I said a stranger would make me skeptical, not a fine woman. Scroll up and see. Let’s establish that you don’t know how Gibbs or Parcell, or Jerry or Dan run their teams. Okay, once we establish that, we can go reread you comments about them and say you pulled a lot of stuff out your rectum and just leave it at that. “Parcells likes a LOT of control.” LOL, and I bet he likes a lot of money too, but that was pointless to say. Man, you and this pointlessness have got to stop. Is that your theme or something? I can call the bulls for some tickets and the Post for a paper. I bet most people who call are calling for a reason other than to get paid. Proved wrong YET AGAIN. Timberland is getting paid by those who buy his records, as well as many other people. Okay dummy, let me try to explain this to you. If he gives a bamma a beat, they will probably pay. If he performs at a concert or show, the members in the audience will probably pay. That’s just two. The people in both example didn’t necessarily buy his record. There are more but chew on those for a while. My analogies actually make sense, but sense you pride yourself on pointlessness and uselessness I can see why you thought they sucked. Cassidy as an MC, based on what I heard, ain’t all that. But he’s not terrible. I could hear some more that may make me say he’s great or horrible. Time will tell. When did I say I like him? You say two songs ain’t gonna change your tune, but how many did it take to set your tune?

"The doctor said I had blood clots, but I ain't Jamaican man..." - Kanye West

Before I open with my rebuttal, I just want to know, who are you referring to when you say "everybody?" You say "everybody" knows I'm lying or "everybody" knows I'm wrong. Who? The TA Dodgers you work with? Is some female MSNing you again? More phantom fans? Is there a thread you started where everybody posts against me? lol I haven't seen anybody other than us post in weeks! And even when they post they stay out of our debates. So who is "everybody?"

First, your God example isn't a matter of being correct or incorrect. It's irrelevant. Sure, God doesn't make mistakes. But I never said anything about every being in the universe makes mistakes. I said there's never a point in life where every detail is called correctly. So when is God on earth in physical form goin, "No, this is what really happened..." Well? Have you seen Him? Tell me where God just sits on Earth in the physical lettin everybody know what really happened at the car wreck or the murder scene or to JFK, Jimmy Hoffa, Pac and BIG? I'll be there in a heartbeat! God doesn't make mistakes, but He's not anywhere calling out details at events, either. Second, we're talking about referees (i.e. HUMANS) and you brought in GOD???!!! So the referees shouldn't make mistakes refereeing because GOD doesn't make mistakes?! GOD?! GOD?! You absolutely cannot be serious! Third, you said points plural! You need to come with another example to validate your example (which you won't do because you can't). Why can't you come with more? lol Just say Zeus or Allah or Buddha or somebody, lol...

Me finding quotes about legitimate arguments we have here on the thread is unrelated to what you believe my "rap cred" is. I haven't found quotes trying to prove my "rap cred" to you, nor have I said anything about what I think about YOUR rap cred. So again, we'll just say that Qoolout thinks I've lost rap cred and we'll add that you think I care... lol

Well, I see how you feel the both teams get the ball in OT rule is more fair, but I think it's irrelevant. I feel if you can't win in the first 60 minutes, don't whine cause you lose the coin toss in OT and get scored on first. Is it fair that a team that gets the ball back in the second half can score right before the first half and retain possesion when the second half resumes? Why don't we just give everybody an even number of series for the entire game?

If you answered my question about the bad calls, I can't tell. I didn't ask which is worse. I asked who gets the win. And if you think the team that has the bad call go against them at the end should win, then why? Why should they be rewarded with a win because of when ONE bad call went against them? Why should the other team be punished because ONE bad call helped them at a specific time in the game? You have NOT been arguing that a bad call can alter a game. You've been arguing that ONE bad call can cost a team an ENTIRE game. A bad call can alter a game like this; if there's a bad PI call on the final drive of a game, on the next play or plays the defenders might be too nervous to play aggressive, so they get beat on some passes and the other team scores the winning TD. COMBINED with the DBs soft coverage, the bad call affected the other team, but it isn't the ONLY reason the team lost. Or if it happens at the end of the game, why do you ignore the first 59 minutes? You say missed blocks and tackles and dropped passes are the team's fault; so we just forget about the drops and missed blocks because of ONE bad call at the end? ONE? I could see three or four. But ONE?! Naw, I'm not feelin that. ONE call? Naw, man. Naw. Riddle me this; when the Bills and Giants played in the Super Bowl and Scott Norwood missed the game winning FG, was the fact the Bills lost the Super Bowl ALL his fault? Even though he had made some FGs earlier? Did he singlehandely (or footedly) lose the Super Bowl for the Bills?

Whining about the kneel down? Please. So I'm supposed to whip up on you all game, hold you on fourth down or get an INT and I can kneel down and get a win and keep my players from getting injured, but instead I'm supposed to give you a chance to win for no other reason than you guys couldn't get it done with all the other chances you had. We're just supposed to give you chances? Should I call timeouts for you, too? Maybe I should just give you an INT for no other reason than somebody thinks the kneel down is bad for the game. That makes no sense. How would you facilitate a "real" play at that point? Who's to say that the QB doesn't pitch it back to the TB and he just "slips?" I guess at the end of b-ball games the team winning should jack up shots with no later than 20 seconds remaining on the shot clock just to basically hand the other team the game, huh? Why is it that you don't expect teams to win on their own anymore?

Dude, I think Bleek is wacker than Timbo. On a PURELY lyrical level, Bleek is generally more complex, but it doesn't make up for his overall wackness and delusions of grandeur. Bleek does nothing for me. Nothing at all. At least Timbaland makes me laugh. I can see why you like Bleek more. Fine. Whatever. But he sucks to me. Worse than Timbo. I understand your hoopin analogy, but I still look at Timbo and Bleek the way I did earlier. That's just me.

It wouldn't be Kobe, er, I mean, rape. The only thing gettin raped is your ego as I'm LEGALLY cuttin up your girl. And I don't care what you said; if a fine ass woman came up to you and asked you to undress her, YOU should be skeptical... lol

Regarding everybody you asked either didn't know the point of Hey Ya or said it didn't have one... Ok, for the people who didn't know it, peep this; we don't know your legal name - does that mean you don't have one? Maybe they just need the point explained to them, like you did. Whether they choose to ignore it like you do is up to them. But them not knowing it doesn't mean that the song doesn't have one. And WHO beside YOU says it doesn't? My roomate and my friends know the point - we're familiar with Outkast's work so we got it. And you say nobody other than me says it has a point. First of all, Andre 3000 says it has a point. Second, did you miss that YOU are the only one who says it does not?! Yeah, you, negro. I didn't see H*WOOD, J-Dolo, Best, or anybody else go "Oh yeah, Qool, you're right. Hey Ya doesn't have a point." Did that slip your mind or did you ignore it just to help your lame arguments? Well, it doesn't matter. The song has a point and why you continue to argue is beyond me. And just because YOU didn't get "Beyonces and Lucy Lius" doesn't mean it isn't clear. It just means YOU didn't get it. My roommate and my other friends all understand that Lucy Liu and Beyonce are both considered attractive women. They got the metaphor. It should be easy to get it with him just saying "Beyonces and baby dolls." But you "missed" or pretend to so there's nothin else to say, man. You're a joke.

If you don't care about the region, why did you jump in with only "bad" Southern lyrics back in the first thread? Why not stay out of it or post bad lyrics from East Coast artists, too? Yeah. Exactly.

I guess that part about Parcells confused you. I capitalized "a lot" to emphasize that he likes control over the organization more than most coaches. I thought that would be clear, but I forgot NOTHING is clear to you, so I apologize. Bill Parcells likes a lot more control than most normal coaches. His famous quote after he bounced from New England was along the lines of "If you want me to cook the dinner, at least let me pick out the groceries" because owner Bob Kraft didn't give him enough say in personnel decisions. So, again, I find it hard to believe that a coach like Parcells would go work for an owner like Jones unless Jones gave up most of the contol. But that's my opinion.

Yeah, the people are buying Timbo records. He ain't tellin people to pay him to make records. The records are made already. In your dumb ass analogies, the product has yet to be made. The articles for the Post aren't written. The basketball games for the Bulls haven't been played. And he's not expecting you to buy his records because he can or cannot rap. His sales are based off his beats.

"Cassidy as an MC, based on what I heard, ain’t all that. But he’s not terrible. I could hear some more that may make me say he’s great or horrible. Time will tell. When did I say I like him? You say two songs ain’t gonna change your tune, but how many did it take to set your tune?" - QS 1/24/04

You lost me. I didn't say you liked Cassidy. And those two songs that weren't gonna change my tune were about Kanye West. Did you switch topics to Kanye and forget to put his name in there? I'm gonna wait for you to respond so I know what the *bleep* you're talking about.

I'm out like a Qoolout debate. Peace!

"Everybody" is people that read and have common sense. If you say you didn't say something, and I post that you did say it and I tell when or show when, you have no case. Then everybody can see it. You get it now? Does somebody have to actually say you're lying for you to accept that it is really a lie? If a tree falls does it not make a sound? Next, God is everywhere to me. I respect that you might have beliefs that differ from mine. But God puts us here and is with us until he takes us from here. You can't call that anything but truth (unless you lie). And I'm not putting another example until you state that you can't touch my first one. Next, yes I believe that you have lost rap cred and you do indeed care. We agree. Next, I feel that your "why don't we just give everybody an even number of series" statement was stupid. It was just dumb. Next, I have been arguing that one bad call can alter the game. YES, one bad call can make you lose. I understand that you ACT like this ain't possible, but one wrong call can make you lose the game. Going down with the ship, right? Next, I don't know what you were talking about as far as teams not winning on there own. I was just saying it would be more exciting if they ran plays instead of taking the knee. It was funny that when I was like 6 watching the games with my father I would tell him that that's cheating because the other team doesn't have a shot at winning that way. I was six cuz, what are you talking about. See that's what I mean. Now ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY can read what I posted and then read you saying, "Why is it that you don't expect teams to win on their own anymore?" Perfect example, thank you. You spin and try to act like I said something that both you and I know I didn't say. So does someone have to post that they know you're full of BS to convince you or can we just apply common sense? And since I know you lie, and you assumingly know it too, who are you trying to fool? Next, if a stranger came up to me and asked me to undress her, that's right I'd be skeptical. Some of us can be a little more selective like myself, and I guess bammas like you have to take what you can get. I can't really relate but I do respect that. Next, Bleek is better than Tim, but what more can we say? You can have the last word on this one. Next, you are STILL sad. EVERYBODY I asked said that Hey Ya is pointless or that they ain't know what the point was. First of all I don't believe you got it by listening to the song, nor do I believe that your roommate or anybody else did. You told me the supposed point and after listening to the song again I determined that there were just too many pointless parts. Beyonce and Luci ain't got nothing to do with whatever you claimed the point is. You can whine about it all day long, but that ain't gonna make it be about something. I can say this post is about cats and kittens, but after you read it you know the truth. Next, I don't know what you're talking about from the first thread. You are the one who said I have a bad memory and I'm the one (and a few others probably)that said you lie. So show me the words or the dates (like you love to do) and then we can discuss it. If there were some bad lyrics posted by me, I didn't make them bad. I just posted them, don't take it personal; don't kill the messenger. Next, like I said, you don't know how Parcells runs his team so you are talking just to be talking. You can have the last word here too, but only after we both agree that you are just running your mouth. Next, I see you try to switch up your Timbo point but also try to keep it. LOL, you are sad. FYI, you can phone the Post and get old papers. Like if you want the paper that was released on 9-11, call em and get it. Thus, the articles are already done. Again, you run your mouth about something you don't know about and in the process get proved INCORRECT. As far as the Timberland part, you lost me. I thought he did want me to buy his records. Are you saying something different this time. Re-explain the whole part about Tim. Next, no I didn't forget to put K. West, I just thought you could figure out who I was speaking about there. You don't put "Qool" every time you address me, but I can figure it out. Are you so sad that you stoop to this? LOL, get your upper hand where you can, huh man? You pride yourself on debates (and that's all you, not I) and you post and date something where I left out a name as one of your points? LOL, sad and funny... @ the same time. How do you do it?

"Somebody order pancakes, I'll just sip the sizzerp..." - Kanye West

You can't use "everybody" and ASSUME that they agree with you about me SUPPOSEDLY "lying." I haven't lied to you. Because I don't agree with your way of thinking, I must be "lying?" Goin down with the ship, huh? Because I don't agree with you? Because I like Ludacris or I'd listen to Timbaland before Memphis Bleek? That's lying? Because I don't allow you to use half of my sentences and leave out a crucial part? I'm lying? People with "common sense" can see I'm lying? How am I "lying?" What have I lied about? Are you saying I'm lying about my OWN opinion, an opinion about DA SOUTH I've stated and backed since my first post? What have I lied about? What, Qool, what?

EVERYBODY I know says Hey Ya has a point or they aren't sure. After I tell those that don't already know what ANDRE 3000 (THE FLIPPIN ARTIST HIMSELF) says it's about, they get it. You see, just because QOOLOUT says it ain't about nothin, doesn't mean anything. QOOLOUT is nobody. QOOLOUT can't tell ANDRE 3000 what's in his head or what was in his head when he wrote the song. QOOLOUT is wrong. QOOLOUT may not get it and QOOLOUT may try all types of angles, but QOOLOUT is no authority on a song he didn't even write. If ANDRE 3000 (THE FLIPPIN ARTIST HIMSELF) tells us the point, why would anybody care what QOOLOUT thinks?

Still avoiding the issue, eh? God is everywhere, true; so is He everywhere correctly calling out the details of an event? Where does this happen Qool? WHERE? CAN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION, QOOLOUT? WHERE IS GOD PHYSICALLY CALLING EVERY DETAIL CORRECTLY? WHERE? WHERE? I didn't say He couldn't or He isn't everywhere! CAN YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION QOOLOUT? Your smokescreens are useless and your God example is stupid - and you know it. Down with the ship, indeed. WHERE'S YOUR SECOND EXAMPLE?! W-A-S-I-T-S-O-M-E-T-H-I-N-G-I-S-A-I-D?

Next, we do agree that YOU (and only YOU) believe I care about your opinion on my rap cred... lol

Next, you don't know how Jerry Jones runs his team so you are talking just to be talking. You can have the last word here, too, but only after we both agree that you are just running your mouth (yeah, I took yo statement - I can easily say the same thing to you, Foolout)...

Blah, blah, blah, I'm still cuttin Beyonce up LEGALLY while you're STILL debatin the merits of her words... MORON!

CAN YOU ANSWER THIS QUESTION, QOOLOUT? If a game has one bad call that "costs" Team A a TD at the beginning of the game, and Team B has a bad call "costs" them the game winning TD at the end of the game, WHO SHOULD GET THE WIN IN YOUR OPINION? Since you claim the one at the end is "worse" (when it's really just more memorable), does that mean that Team B "deserves" the win more than Team A, so the NFL should give it to Team B? Moving on (somewhat), why is it that you only care about the bad calls at the end of a game? What about teams that get bad calls in the first quarter? You said teams aren't out there to overcome bad calls; so just because they have three quarters to "overcome" it should be irrelevant. Right? And as far as your rambling on about the kneel down, I didn't say anything about what you thought it was when you were 6. I'm talking about what you just posted at age 24. You, at age 24, said (and I quote) "I think you should have to run or throw and risk losing the ball." That's what YOU said. At age 24. And you said this was related to making the NFL better. So I say, the ONLY reason a team would do something that flippin STUPID is to basically HAND the other team a chance to win. So I'm saying why should a team fight to get up and be able to win the game with a kneel down but have to run a "real" play and risk an unnecessary injury or fumble simply because the other team couldn't do their job? Or in other words, I disagree and I think it would be stupid.

"FYI, you can phone the Post and get old papers. Like if you want the paper that was released on 9-11, call em and get it. Thus, the articles are already done." - QS 1/26/04

Aiyo, check it, what the flying flikkerin fukk does articles written on 9-11 BY OTHER PEOPLE have to do with articles I'm trying to write for the Post? If I call up the Post trying to write articles, you won't find any by ME on 9-11! Thus, the articles are NOT written! Dumb a$$! And as far as Timbaland goes, he isn't asking people to pay him to make the product. The product is made first, then he asks to get paid. A better analogy would be The Post tellin everybody their newspaper sucks, but also trying to get subscriptions or having them on newsstands for $1. Nothin else to say man, your analogies suck!

I wasn't trying to prove a point about Cassidy/K. West. I just didn't want to assume you were talking about Kanye and then you try play like I'm putting words in your mouth. You know how you are. I mean, you asked when you said you liked him, but you never said you liked him. And I never said you did, so why you would ask that baffles me. So since THAT didn't make sense, I just wanted to be sure I didn't just assume what you meant without more clarification. Anyway, I've heard 3 songs with Kanye West. One was on BP2, one is Slow Jamz, and the other is Through The Wire. On all three I think his rhyming is suspect. However, I ain't gon hate and lie that he has had me rolling on two or three lines. The song I heard on BP2, he was wack. Through The Wire has a good beat, but I wasn't really impressed with his flow - mouth wired shut or not. But he did have me laugh about orderin pancakes and sippin the sizzerp and lookin like Emmit Till and the line in Slow Jamz about Michael Jackson. So I guess it took three songs to set my tune. But those few lines won't change it all by themselves.

Now you asked me to do this, so here you go...

"Anyway, I agree I was hating on the South, but that was because y'all was hating on the East..." - QS 12/5/01

"And if someone attacks a rapper or coast that I like, I'ma attack one of their rappers or their coast." QS 12/5/01

At the time, Best and Big J were postin wack South lyrics, so me and Bama fought back with wack East Coast lyrics. Then you jumped in misquotin every Southern rapper you could find. You said you were defending the East Coast from us, but why? We only posted against the East in OUR defense. You even said that East Coast had wack lyrics, too. So why did you feel the need to involve yourself by posting only bad Southern lyrics if you're neutral. Why not post both and say that bad lyrics are everywhere?

I'm out like bad Southern lyrics. Peace!

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