Public Enemy: Classic or Dud?

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Apocalypse '91 was produced by the Imperial Grand Masters of Funk, not the Bomb Squad.

On my cassette it says "Executive Producers: The Bomb Squad" so they obviously had had a hand in it.

When will Bomb Squad-type production become retro? I wanna see a comeback of this sound. Broke out Apocalypse '91 recently and it's all coming back to me how good this group was.

Joseph Pot (STINKOR™), Thursday, 29 July 2004 20:57 (twenty-one years ago)

*had a hand in it.

Joseph Pot (STINKOR™), Thursday, 29 July 2004 21:00 (twenty-one years ago)

there is no way PE could ever be dud. classic all the way.

thesplooge (thesplooge), Thursday, 29 July 2004 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Only cloth-eared muvvaluvvas be dissin PE.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Thursday, 29 July 2004 22:53 (twenty-one years ago)

brains: He was not-famous enough that he was working a telemarketing job with me.

Hahaha, at first I thought you meant you worked on telemarketing with MC Brains, who had that song that went, "Oochie coochie la la la/I am the Brains and I'm up to par".

btw, PE=Classic, obv. I even really like Yo! Bum Rush The Show - Suckers to the side/I know you hate/My 98/You're gonna get yours!

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 29 July 2004 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)

damn. this is one group i really need to revisit. i always pass over the cds in the sales cos they're always available, the tapes are well worn and now need to hear this stuff again. i saw the supporting run DMC in 87 and it was by far the most impressive thing i had ever seen up to that point of my life .. even the fact that Derek B was on the bill didn't ruin the evening.
and yes Chuck is a master of the art of presence.

mark e (mark e), Friday, 30 July 2004 07:33 (twenty-one years ago)

i'll say it again... Muse Sick is *seriously* underappreciated... 'Running Out Of Time', 'Unplugged & Undrugged', 'So Watcha Gonna Do Now', 'Aint Nuthin Butter Song'...

stevie (stevie), Friday, 30 July 2004 08:13 (twenty-one years ago)

yo! bum rush this post.

thesplooge (thesplooge), Friday, 30 July 2004 09:06 (twenty-one years ago)

conspiracy! AMG says that Professor Griff's "And the Word Became Flesh" was released on 9/11/01. (I'm more shocked to learn that he's put out 5 solo records)

Joseph Pot (STINKOR™), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

six months pass...
Greatest rock group ever. Mindblowing.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 08:15 (twenty-one years ago)

conspiracy! AMG says that Professor Griff's "And the Word Became Flesh" was released on 9/11/01. (I'm more shocked to learn that he's put out 5 solo records)
-- Joseph Pot (zdos20...), July 30th, 2004.

So was Slayer's "God Hates Us All"

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 08:37 (twenty-one years ago)

"i'll say it again... Muse Sick is *seriously* underappreciated... 'Running Out Of Time', 'Unplugged & Undrugged', 'So Watcha Gonna Do Now', 'Aint Nuthin Butter Song'..."

its better than the sack of shit everyone thought it was in 1994, but its still pretty horrible.

ppp, Tuesday, 8 February 2005 08:52 (twenty-one years ago)

nah its their best album.

charleston charge (chaki), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 09:38 (twenty-one years ago)

PE at their best transcend hip-hop or any other genre. They're on some elevated gonzo genius level. I remember the impact PE had on my 16 year old self. The music was so wild and exciting, far more so than the rock bands I was listening to at the time. Chuck is so compelling, with an often overlooked wit to his rhymes. Along with Rakim he busted open the possibilities for rapping, rhyming off the beat, switching up his flow and phrasing. And I love the way Flav or sampled voices cut in and out of his rhymes - it makes their music come alive, in a way some boring MC mumbling over a wack track can never be.
The beginning of Night Of The Living Baseheads still blows my mind, with Chuck's almost jazz like phrasing over that relentless looped sax skronk. "Bang, here it is, in your face, god damn, this is a dope jam, but let's define the term named dope and you're thinking me funky now..."
And Welcome To The Terrordome is incredible, the greatest media shitstorm song ever made.

stew, Tuesday, 8 February 2005 11:35 (twenty-one years ago)

stew OTM. That is one of the greatest posts ever right there on ILM, folks. stew sums PE up perfectly.

God the jazzlike phrasing of Chuck... It's so true. He was every bit the equal of Miles and Wayne and Hank and people like that...

"Bang, here it is, in your face, god damn, this is a dope jam, but let's define the term named dope and you're thinking me funky now..."

haha, yeah, so great, and stew you forgot to include that "NOPE!" at the end of that quote

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 10:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Aaarrrgghh! How could I forget the NOPE! That's essential to the the rhythm and rhyme, adding a twist a cliched phrase.

Thank you for your kind words Stormy.

stew, Wednesday, 9 February 2005 11:20 (twenty-one years ago)

chuck d was good on a janet album

La Camilla Henemark, Wednesday, 9 February 2005 11:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Why do people always have to say theye were the greatest ROCK group or couch them in rock terminology? That really pisses me off.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 11:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Fair point, although you can understand why the NME (under Danny Kelly I think) dubbed them the greatest rock 'n roll band in the world back in the day. It was a challenge to rockists who wouldn't take hip-hop seriously and stresses the insurrectionary power of the group. It's really not necessary to apologise for them in this way anymore.
Certainly PE were interested in the dynamics and power of rock, but when they use actual rock samples, such as the Slayer riff on She Watch Channel Zero or sped up guitar frenzy on Brothers Gonna Work It Out, it's really no different in intention or effect to them sampling JB or Coltrane - it's all about getting the wildest, hardest sound, from whatever source. This is why SWCZ is far more successful than a conscious rock-rap hybrid like the Anthrax collaboration.

stew, Wednesday, 9 February 2005 12:26 (twenty-one years ago)

seven months pass...
is the remastered cd of 'nation' noticeably better than the original cd?

N_RQ, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 12:35 (twenty years ago)

I recently saw the video for "Brothers Gonna Work It Out" for the first time. Not even Sister Souljah could ruin the awesomeness. That song is like a sledgehammer wrapped in barbed wire crashing into your face. So fucking awesome; I wish more people would go the maximalist route with their sampling.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 12:39 (twenty years ago)

i wish i still had the single edit of the track, fuck (tho it was longer than the lp version, oddly).

N_RQ, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 12:41 (twenty years ago)

It's a little louder, Henry. I boguht it for about £4 and gave my old copy to Emma.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 12:56 (twenty years ago)

There's Public Enemy, and then there's the rest of hip-hop. All the rest are pretenders.

Keith C (lync0), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:00 (twenty years ago)

I'd agree, except that it's a completely mental thing to say.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)

hmm, it's 6 quid in hmv. fuck it, there are other things, and i'm kind of attached to the old one.

N_RQ, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)

Nick OTM. Public Enemy is awesome but claiming that everyone else in hip-hop are mere pretenders is the epitome of corny indie fuxor tokenism.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:07 (twenty years ago)

Public Enemy are The Beatles.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:08 (twenty years ago)

I'll stand by it.

Keith C (lync0), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:09 (twenty years ago)

There's REM, and then there's the rest of college rock. All the rest are pretenders.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:36 (twenty years ago)

There's The Pretenders, and then there's all those other Scottish bands.

N_RQ, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:39 (twenty years ago)

I love PE, but hiphop is too big and diverse for them to be the end-all of it.

In what possible way (aside from broadest generalities) is A Tribe Called Quest trying to do what PE does, for example?

There's ATCQ and there's the rest of rap. All the rest are pretenders.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)

I will murder your with nothing more than a ballpoint pin if you do not like P.E.

Thank you.

PappaWheelie B.C., Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:58 (twenty years ago)

THINGS I LOVE ABOUT THAT NEXT-TO-LAST POST:
1. Public Enemy and A Tribe Called Quest as the two major touchstones of hip hop, hello freshman year of high school.
2. Talking about "what A Tribe Called Quest is trying to do" in the present tense when they broke up like 50 years ago.
3. It allows me to be a snarky asshole about something that I probably only know a tiny bit more about than Austin.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:01 (twenty years ago)

Whatever, pile on if you must. My hyperbole is just a way of saying after a frustrating 15 years of listening to hip-hop post-PE, nothing's come close to "Baseheads," "Fight the Power", etc. Nothing. And as great as Nas, Wu-Tang, Dre, etc. are, there's just something in those early PE tracks that is entirely missing from everything else.

Keith C (lync0), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)

even Just Ice?

N_RQ, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

Jebus, N/A, I used ATCQ because they were rough contemporaries, not because I've heard nothing since (anyway, the major touchstones of hiphop my freshman year of high school were Run DMC and um, Aerosmith.)

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

there's just something in those early PE tracks that is entirely missing from everything else.

That something = SONIC FURY. Did you ever hear Son of Bazerk?

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

Boy did they love "Funky Drummer".

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

PE that is. But I'm sure Son of Bazerk did too.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

No, I haven't Dan. And yeah, the 'sonic fury' is a big part of it, but it's also the rapping, the lyrics, their use of samples, even the militancy (fake or not)--all together I feel it's just something very singular and hasn't been repeated.

Keith C (lync0), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)

X-Clan!

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

Early Latifah!

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

Gravediggaz!

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

There's Public Enemy, and then there's the rest of hip-hop. All the rest are pretenders.
-- Keith C (lyncounio...), September 28th, 2005. (lync0)

dumb.

I love Public Enemy. Son of Bazerk is good too!

NWA had SONIC FURY...sometimes! Sonic fury isn't everything though....Special Ed didn't have Sonic Fury, but Youngest in Charge, whoo what a great album!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

Found a copy of the new compilation Freedom to the People and the Beats recently and have been playing the hell out of it. This stuff completely holds up....even the not-as-celebrated later singls like "Give it Up" and "He Got Game" still sound great.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 15:15 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, Power to the People and the Beats is pretty fantastic, not least for its little track-listing surprises--I heard it playing in a record store, REALLY LOUDLY, a few weeks ago, and was impressed by a) the appearance of "Prophets of Rage" b) how un-squared-off and violently abrasive everything sounded.

Douglas (Douglas), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 15:44 (twenty years ago)

I'm sorry Alex, but "He Got Game" is almost as terrible as the movie from whence it came.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)

It's like the anti-PE.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 15:46 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

"Here we go again!"

Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 July 2007 18:51 (eighteen years ago)

[citation needed]

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 4 September 2020 19:27 (five years ago)

oh god i want ?uestlove's Sade tee

Just a few slices of apple, Servant. Thank you. How delicious. (stevie), Friday, 4 September 2020 19:34 (five years ago)

This made me look up this remix, a guy I went to college did it when he was also in school and it made their album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEhj4hbOskc

His electronic music was so sick, but now he only makes contemporary classical/experimental stuff and electro-country.

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 4 September 2020 19:51 (five years ago)

three weeks pass...

https://www.vulture.com/2020/09/chuck-d-interview-public-enemy-when-the-grid-goes-down.html

some semi-coherent quotes in this interview with Chuck but this one was simply to the point.

The fact that this guy, Donald Trump, who’s been philandering a half-assed celebrity joke for the last 45 to 50 years in New York City, the fact that he has that power is a disgrace to the planet Earth. He’s not equipped to govern millions of people or thousands of people. He’s not equipped to govern 100 people. Get the fuck up outta there. He shouldn’t even be there. The fact that he pulled a three-card-monte job on the United States of America isn’t just a reflection on him. It’s a reflection of the comfort zone a lot of Americans feel. They’re telling you your life don’t matter. Black lives don’t matter. Women don’t matter. You can go through a lot of the doctrine of the United States of America and see where it’s been shown and proven that certain people don’t matter. On top of that, you have authority that basically says they don’t care.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 01:48 (five years ago)

new album getting some good reviews but didn't do much for me

Chuck's taste in beats has really declined

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 02:54 (five years ago)

The fact that this guy, Donald Trump

Why do people do this, idgi. “Ohh, THAT guy!”

turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 02:59 (five years ago)

All the living members of Beastie Boys and Run DMC appear on a lockdown-recorded new version of Public Enemy #1

erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 07:51 (five years ago)

It's not that special. Just another later period pe mixtape/album. But with lots of guests.

candyman, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 10:14 (five years ago)

The PE#1 is alright but, yeah, nothing special.
I loved PE in their heyday but now it's like caring about a new rolling stones albums.

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 10:58 (five years ago)

When did chuck d become such a wooly speaker?

He also sounds bored on the very first song of the new album. Just going through the motions. And every verse on fight the power 2020 seems to have been cut in a different studio.

candyman, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 12:20 (five years ago)

It was done for the BET Awards so everyone was remote

Though even without the pandemic I think it's more the exception than the rule that guest verses are done in the same studio

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 12:50 (five years ago)

Sure, but it really sounds like it!

candyman, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 13:38 (five years ago)

I saw PE at a Bernie rally last year and Chuck was just over the map w/ his banter, more than I ever remember him being...maybe abt half (?) of it held together, that ^excerpt seems relatively coherent by comparison

error prone wolf syndicate (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 13:40 (five years ago)

Xpost - the most jarring was the Beastie Boys on the PE#1 remake - I swear they recorded that on their iPhone

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 14:02 (five years ago)

If neither of them plan to record again, it makes sense that they don't have home vocal studios

though Adrock's partner might have a microphone around at least

erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 18:07 (five years ago)

yeah I mean a Blue Yeti would do

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 18:08 (five years ago)

Xpost - the most jarring was the Beastie Boys on the PE#1 remake - I swear they recorded that on their iPhone


Yeah but the intro is kinda fun.

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 21:44 (five years ago)

four years pass...

At the last minute, I found out Chuck D was going to be at Rough Trade Friday afternoon to sign his new solo album. I'm actually not that familiar with his work outside of Public Enemy, but I imagined it wasn't that different and I actually enjoy a lot of latter day Public Enemy. I've also never met him face-to-face and the guy's my favorite rapper of all-time so when I had an opening I bolted over there. Turns out, he didn't just sign his album (and anything else people brought), he actually sketched a portrait of everyone who attended. He did this at Rough Trade in London but IIRC that was for a pretty fancy book and I think he sketched those portraits on a blank page in the book as well, so it wasn't something I would have expected for a record signing.

And he was so nice to everyone, we talked about basketball and I brought up the time he was at Pitchfork to do It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back (which got a funny reaction...he was like "YEAH...I remember that..." I didn't bring it up, but I remember he was kind of annoyed that Flavor Flav was nowhere to be found when they had to start their set, so maybe that came to mind). Just awesome, I've been walking on air all day.

birdistheword, Saturday, 17 May 2025 06:37 (one year ago)

So you have a portrait of yourself drawn by Chuck D??!?

m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Saturday, 17 May 2025 08:54 (one year ago)

x2, add more "!!!!!"

Constance Mischievous (Austin), Saturday, 17 May 2025 14:23 (one year ago)

YES I DO!!!

birdistheword, Saturday, 17 May 2025 20:11 (one year ago)

Pic please!

Cow_Art, Saturday, 17 May 2025 20:30 (one year ago)

I fell out with Chuck D when I saw him doing some excruciating media work with right-wing UK politicians whilst promoting his career. In this case, a few years ago, it was Michael fucking Gove. I don't have any heroes any more, they never meant shit to me!

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Saturday, 17 May 2025 20:39 (one year ago)

one month passes...

free new album up for grabs for a couple of days :

https://publicenemy.bandcamp.com/album/black-sky-over-the-projects-apartment-2025

mark e, Friday, 27 June 2025 08:58 (eleven months ago)

this is good!!

Tracer Hand, Friday, 27 June 2025 10:30 (eleven months ago)

listening now..

Ste, Friday, 27 June 2025 10:41 (eleven months ago)

2nd spin and yeah, i am enjoying it a lot more than i expected.
no concessions to modern hip hop production at all.
it's very much a PE album with some old school rock rap thrown in the mix.
the combination of Chuck D and Flavs vocals still sound as intense as ever.

mark e, Friday, 27 June 2025 10:59 (eleven months ago)


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