a real man would just say "i love barbara cartland madly"
― lex pretend, Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:38 PM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark
are you missing the point on purpose or
― just sayin, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 18:32 (thirteen years ago) link
yes, he is
― rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 18:35 (thirteen years ago) link
im not used to lex joking
― just sayin, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 18:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Lex isn't being specifically annoying in this thread, he's just engaging in the kind of shifting position, multi-walled fortress approach to arguing which is ilx's modus operandi:
a. making sweeping pronouncements which seem more based on a general vibe picked up than any close study of the music;b. when called out on it, strategically abandon that part of the argument which seems least sustainable, retreat to a new defensive position;c. make a new argument salvaged from bits of the former argument and other bits which might be totally inconsistent with it, though the overarching conclusion (this sux) survives; andd. repeat.
(blah blah unformed argument w/r/t opulence/decadence/innocence/that blithe balearic beach glide/the paris hilton album)
See the thing is this music has nothing to do with any of the things you've just listed. I think Lex the reason I have to harp at you when you start posting at these threads is that you dislike such a broad swathe of stuff surrounding this music that your dichotomies invariably feel really off-base, I'm sure there is indie music which would work for the Paris Hilton comparison you want to make but Gayngs isn't it (A Mountain of One would have been closer though).
It's like, you're surveying from above and trying to describe what's on the ground but can't see through the massive tropical storm of hate obscuring everything.
Though I suspect that maybe the "unformed argument" you're referring to was really concocted with Destroyer in mind and you're just mentioning it here as a placefiller?
― Tim F, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link
tbh I was going to see exactly what the fuss was about but the idea of a Godley & Creme cover terrifies me
― DJP, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:19 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost Sorry the above sounds more critical than I mean it. There are whole swathes of music that I like but feel uncomfortable writing about in great detail because I don't think I've got an adequate handle on the context (hence I simply identify the rap I'm really into rather than wax lyrical about it most of the time), obv I think you're better at operating outside of your comfort zone than I am.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link
oh what the hell, how bad could it be...
... um okay this is not starting off very auspiciously
― DJP, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link
so people were really dying for a Coldplay-meets-Interpol cover band...?
― DJP, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link
okay is the whole album like this, because if so LOL
― DJP, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
thus ends today's installment of "DJP listens to something he already knew he was going to hate"
tomorrow: Taylor Swift!*
* not really
― DJP, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Interpol? WTF? I mean LOL it up fuzzball but really... get a grip man.
― Under Me Smang Tang (Doran), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:29 (thirteen years ago) link
i heard the 'cry' cover a long time ago and kinda just ignored it. i love the original and didn't see the need for it. then i heard 'gaudy side of town' and was like "it's so on". the rest of the record is so different than both of them. it's all sort of got that AOR sound (which i absolutely love anyways), but there's just tons of psych and kraut and funk bits that get lost in great songwriting and amazing production. it's kinda record collector geek music. which is why i love it obvs.
― jaxon, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Doran, would you have been less annoyed if I'd said Editors?
― DJP, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link
(it was mostly a reference to the way dude sings)
― DJP, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link
DJP: No, but I do think that George Michael would be more on target.
― Under Me Smang Tang (Doran), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link
it's all sort of got that AOR sound (which i absolutely love anyways), but there's just tons of psych and kraut and funk bits that get lost in great songwriting and amazing production.
I think this is key. Trying to get a sense of what Gayngs are doing from either of those two tunes alone is pretty much impossible. I think tunes like "The Walker" and "Crystal Rope" are much more "representative".
― Tim F, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link
okay you cannot SERIOUSLY tell me you hear George Michael on the "Cry" cover, which is what that joke/comment was based on
maybe George Michael doing an Eeyore impersonation
― DJP, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link
No, not on Cry which is like a bunch of people singing. Cry's not really representative of the rest of the album.
― Under Me Smang Tang (Doran), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 21:00 (thirteen years ago) link
lol
I know this was literally like half an hour ago but can I just point out the context here:
tbh I was going to see exactly what the fuss was about but the idea of a Godley & Creme cover terrifies me― DJP, Wednesday, February 23, 2011 3:19 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalinkoh what the hell, how bad could it be...... um okay this is not starting off very auspiciously― DJP, Wednesday, February 23, 2011 3:20 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalinkso people were really dying for a Coldplay-meets-Interpol cover band...?― DJP, Wednesday, February 23, 2011 3:21 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― DJP, Wednesday, February 23, 2011 3:19 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
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― DJP, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Ok, I'm duly chastened but it did sound like you were sitting down to listen to the whole album.
― Under Me Smang Tang (Doran), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 22:06 (thirteen years ago) link
I think okay is the whole album like this, because if so LOL might be a good indication that I wasn't listening to the entire album...?
― DJP, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 22:15 (thirteen years ago) link
also the fact that my listen concluded in 5 minutes
― DJP, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 22:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, OK Ming The Merciless I get it... I didn't read your post very well and you're very clever and dastardly and run circles round me. I will pay more attention in future.
― Under Me Smang Tang (Doran), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 22:23 (thirteen years ago) link
haha I don't think I've been called Ming the Merciless since high school
― DJP, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link
guys lets not fight, the important thing here is that DJP has learned that this song is terrible and this band is embarrassing and awful
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link
It's a quality murk.
― Under Me Smang Tang (Doran), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 22:37 (thirteen years ago) link
not a great big fan of this band for reasons that aren't entirely about their music.
this 'crystal rope' tune is pretty good tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F_yoxY2Njk
for what it's worth, (i think) the leisure suits etc in that video aren't like a regular uniform for these guys, there was a big concert at first avenue here in mpls that was billed as a "prom", i think the video was filmed then. maybe that makes it worse if you're not into it! heh
― goole, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link
also, people complaining about the white tux lololwinkwinknudgenudge barfaroni party and i immediately thought of grady, who then came in to complain about it. hmmmm. caught you bro :D
― jaxon, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 23:01 (thirteen years ago) link
As always, when we first hear a new band, it's usually just a CDr with a one sheet. So the stuff that gets you into it is just the music. With Gayngs it's been a long and at times painful process of seeing a symbol made from a ganja leaf and a vagina, seeing loads of guys in white leisure suits, seeing the inner art sketch of them all in a hot tub with the singer getting blown, reading some of the goofy interviews, then finally hearing that they can be all fucking hipster irony and bro-ish live.
But the stuff that made me like the album in the first place remains cool and gripping despite this stuff. As someone hinted at upthread, none of this stuff is binary. Yeah, I wish they were sincere, genuinely cool people and not smug hipsters but that's got nothing, or very little, to do with the music they make.
― Chap With Wings... Five Rounds Rapid (Doran), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 23:04 (thirteen years ago) link
aaaaagggggghhhh wtf i just found out that the dude that drew the infamous hot tub picture is someone i used to hang out with all the time, its like this band is trying to singlehandedly make me hate all of these people i used to get along with ffs
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 23:10 (thirteen years ago) link
next thing you know it will be revealed that Slough Feg and Sleepytime Gorilla Museum contributed members to this and justen will lose it forever
― rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 24 February 2011 01:04 (thirteen years ago) link
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, February 23, 2011 6:10 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
if you like all these people have you considered that maybe problem is... you? (i mean that in a nice way no/zing)
― max, Thursday, 24 February 2011 02:23 (thirteen years ago) link
is this like a minneapolis thing tho where these guys are huge/unavoidable there? and sucking up all the oxygen or something?
― max, Thursday, 24 February 2011 02:26 (thirteen years ago) link
i can see it being annoying if thats the case
jjj it's weird that you ostensibly like these guys personally but absolutely thoroughly refuse to give them the benefit of the doubt
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 24 February 2011 02:40 (thirteen years ago) link
It's kind of weird that people find it really difficult to think that your attitude/opinion of a person can't change because of a visceral reaction to their artistic choices, positive or negative.
Also weird: people taking hyperbolic statements on ILM wholly at face value.
― DJP, Thursday, 24 February 2011 03:11 (thirteen years ago) link
all kinds of stuff is weird!
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 24 February 2011 03:13 (thirteen years ago) link
but if u want to have a different conversation, i've known people in bands i really liked, people in bands i was indifferent to, and people in bands that sucked. it never changed how i felt about them personally!
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 24 February 2011 03:18 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah wtf. i have friends who are struggling in bands and maybe not making artistic choices i would or whatever but it doesn't effect how they treat me, our history, etc.
also what is with this unreconstructed notion of 'authenticity' (here, thought of as a lack of irony/smugness) as some sort of relevant factor as to how the actual arrangement of notes and timbres sounds? reminds of the vampire weekend backlash -- "just ... look at them! i bet they're really mean, and richer than me!"
i dunno it's like all music made by white dudes in northern cities has to be some sweaty prole flannel thing or what? is this what the 90s revival is going to look like? if so ugh. i don't know what's worse, that or this arch popist idea that tropes of 'high' (highly produced, selling, eg aor modern r&b) pop can't be appropriated by indie (whatever that means anymore) acts. it's just kneejerk and annoying. to be fair i had a kneejerk reaction to das racist much in the same way
but i dont know why im wasting my breath; ilm can't be any other way. maybe im really just baiting and hoping for the next round of flailing at trying to distinguish personal taste from some sort of objective reality, laden w/ obliquely hinted at class and race undertones, right?
also can we please never call any musician a 'hipster' ever again pls
― teflon dawn (uptown churl), Thursday, 24 February 2011 03:48 (thirteen years ago) link
I'd just like to state for the record that my objection to their cover of "Cry" has nothing to do with irony or hipsterism and everything to do with deeply annoying vocals over a boring, plodding beat. Basically if you think that cover is worth listening to, I can make you some fart recordings that will BLOW YOU MIND.
― DJP, Thursday, 24 February 2011 04:17 (thirteen years ago) link
pls bring cd-r when we chill in a few weeks
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 24 February 2011 04:18 (thirteen years ago) link
done and done
― DJP, Thursday, 24 February 2011 04:19 (thirteen years ago) link
ysi?
― rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 24 February 2011 04:20 (thirteen years ago) link
:)
fwiw my official position on this record is that it's prob a little more miss than hit but i'm glad it exists and i rock "gaudy side of town" all the time
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 24 February 2011 04:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Hahaha sorry thread was out at bar
1. Peeps that are taking me srsly re: "oh no now i have to hate these people that are making music I don't care for" obv don't know me uh at all, also if this were true my day job would be a long slog through abject misery
2. I hate the cry cover because it is terrible pretty much for exactly the reasons that djp said - I hate the lazily pitchshifted vocals and the dragging pace and the clear feeling that the band seems to think that the original is laughable/lampoonable/shitty. All the hipster (did I actually use this because I try to never do so) irony etc stuff is ancillary to the major problem that this song is imo just musically and experientially unmistakably awful to listen to.
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 24 February 2011 05:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh and to max wondering if the backlash was because they are some ubiquitous mpls band - pretty much the opposite, because afaict no one here could give two shits about them.
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 24 February 2011 05:13 (thirteen years ago) link
the clear feeling that the band seems to think that the original is laughable/lampoonable/shitty
i do not get this even 1 bit!! i mean i get your other criticisms, they are definitely going for a "sound" that i dont blame people for disliking, but i dont hear any kind of snickering going on at all.
― max, Thursday, 24 February 2011 05:16 (thirteen years ago) link
oh huh
God I was wondering why this thread was revived. Don't think I listened to this again after I reviewed it.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 February 2011 05:25 (thirteen years ago) link
No reason to break that perfect record Ned
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 24 February 2011 05:28 (thirteen years ago) link