The Geir Hongro listening club

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT6VPmPGUs8

Was a bit surprised when Geir "liked" this relateively melodically minimal reggae song that I posted on FB, but on the other hand I can totally understand him digging this production -- has a lot of elements similar to Stevie Wonder-style pop and 60s psych:

I generally like a lot of 70s reggae (post-Blackwellificasion of production, pre-90s dancehall). Probably partly through Alex Sadkin, who did not produce that album, but who did some great work for Bob Marley and Grace Jones. And later stuff like these, whom I more or less grew up on:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Omh6Ld5d3l0
But the likes of UB40, and Bob Marley's "Buffalo Soldier", also played a part in turning me into that kind of reggae style. It is partly probably the kind of rhythm I like best of all, but it is also very easy to combine with some rather melodic stuff on top if you try to do that.

do u like this geir? by the v famous lee perry....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubCNk2Fc4HM

Lee Perry tends to be a bit too weird and uncompromising for me. Although he was involved in some of those early Black Uhuru albums and I kind of like them.

Otherwise, I hate largely most of the rest of the stuff in this thread, but I suppose that was kind of the purpose. :)

hah, i suppose, tho it would actually be delightful if u liked some of the more outré stuff itt

i chose that clip from blackboard jungle dub because it is relatively restrained for lee perry, none of his weird effects that mostly came later in the 70s

But in the same breath, that makes it even more uncompromising.

I am generally not much of a fan of reggae pre Chris Blackwell's work with Bob Marley and what a lot of Jamaican reggae fans probably thought was a watering down of reggae.

(Even though the likes of John Holt, Ken Boothe, Boris Gardiner and Johnny Nash were probably all way more watered down in the early 70s than anything produced by Chris Blackwell has ever been)

how about this? from the very famous self titled congos lp, it is quite heavy on the effects but tuneful nonetheless

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JhTM0Lar3Q

That is better. I kind of wish Lee Perry would use the panning buttons a bit more often though. That is part of the reason why I love Chris Blackwell and Alex Sadkin - their extreme use of panning.

srsly geir, there's not a lot of music after about 1973 that we will both like, but im glad u like the congos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNYp7NwjO3w

nice

kid needs a distortion box tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvhX9D-qvT0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0EjN06Jo5s&hd=1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WLtwJWYtvA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJqQk3mgpYY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pxb8CS8puA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMMU9NrDAno

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy5aAZbQa84&hd=1

it's a comp of other composers making pieces on the same synth artemyev used for the tarkovsky films. the schnittke track is particularly amazing, sounds like thomas dimuzio or zoviet-france

this track 'stream' is quite that great and 'u wouldn't have known' if familiar with his notated work only

no youtubes tho, alas

It is the intellectual musical traditions that count, not the folk/traditional ones

ya that is true more often than not but geir has always expressed distaste for ~intellectual~ music such that predominates itt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIo15gWMheA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzWhe5R_nUM

I wonder what Adorno would have thought of Genesis's "complexity"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHqcOGbaTGQ

if only old theodor hadn't carked it before pete gabriel and chums tore up the rulebook and truly set music to rights

20th century "classical" music has actually abanonded many of the ideas that the European classical tradition built upon, like being too influenced by less melodic pre-Bach music. Thus, it is less intellectuall and requires less skills than 18th or 19th century classical music did.

wakka wakka

can you read music notation, Geir?

can you read music notation, Geir?

Not very quickly, but I can. Generally, perfect pitch makes notation obsolete though. The most genius musicians always have perfect pitch.

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how much pre-bach influence is to be found within the works of barraqué, boulez, webern et al? i very much doubt any of those cared for the renaissance polyphonists as ralph vaughan williams did, for example

the syllogism inherent in your post seems to be-

bach is intellectual, some music is less bach-like than other music, therefore it is less intellectual

at the very least it must be admitted that other streams of music can be intellectual, even allowing for the dubious premise that 20th century composers was less influenced by bach than their predecessors

the ur-modernists especially were responsible for upholding bach as the 'father of all music', and the almost ~unearthly~ esteem webern and schoenberg held for bach would have seemed quite inexplicable to many of your romantic favourites

wtf, geir just wants to be a geir, leibe him alone

how much pre-bach influence is to be found within the works of barraqué, boulez, webern et al?

Generally the idea of stone age men just making some noise and calling it music.

wait, geir, you have perfect pitch? that's cool

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

I went to a school with one of the best music conservatories in the entire United States, and in my time there I met the following number of students with perfect pitch: One. My wife works at one of the premier music educations institutions in the US, one whose faculty members are drawn primarily from our local orchestra, which is world class, and she has NEVER met a student with perfect pitch. Ever.

The entire notion is simply preposterous. It's not even ridicule-able, it's just fucking stupid.

how much pre-bach influence is to be found within the works of barraqué, boulez, webern et al?

Webern did his thesis on Heinrich Issac iirc

Isaac*

the famous neolithic composer?

the poor sap could never fathom playing parallel fifths on an ARP2600

As for the 12 tone composers, they were really something of their own. Their fixation on dissonance was an intellectually interesting idea that sadly couldn't ever sound anything but shit. And musical skills is partly about learning how to avoid music sounding like shit, so there...

thanks, I can now save years of my time by skipping music school since I already know half of what entails musical skill.

The other half is "being middle class" so you're probably pretty much done.

just for reference, which chords should I avoid in order to not sound like shit?

half-diminished 7ths are OK but aug9s are right out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyGe6tD9Vfw

NO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21kpcD3pXfQ

OK

just for reference, which chords should I avoid in order to not sound like shit?

The ones that don't have a name.