did the "Monster" video ever officially drop? i remember hearing about teasers and an unfinished leak and thinking "i'll wait until the real thing's out to check for it" and never heard anything else about it.
― some dude, Sunday, 20 February 2011 01:16 (thirteen years ago) link
He wears his influences a bit too boldly, but I guess subtlety is not this man's trademark.
― Call on me (Spinspin Sugah), Sunday, 20 February 2011 01:42 (thirteen years ago) link
man you guys hyped up rihanna's thing too much, it's just like an outfit that shows her side-boob? gtfo
video's great overall tho!
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Sunday, 20 February 2011 02:47 (thirteen years ago) link
My jaw hit the floor when I saw Rihanna. I'm not sure it's moved back into place yet.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Sunday, 20 February 2011 05:28 (thirteen years ago) link
I like this video overall.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Sunday, 20 February 2011 05:33 (thirteen years ago) link
hate hate hate this video except for the Rihanna thing.
― Gukbe, Sunday, 20 February 2011 05:37 (thirteen years ago) link
then again Hype Williams annoys me
gotta admit i'm surprised how humbly (?) kanye reacted to arcade fire winning the grammy. like, over-enthusiastic celebration... well, at least as much as i can surmise in a twitter feed. maybe the whole apology in this album is to be taken seriously?
.....
naww
― The previous message has been brought to you by (kelpolaris), Sunday, 20 February 2011 05:38 (thirteen years ago) link
you really had me on the edge of my seat there
― teenage cream (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 20 February 2011 05:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Was Kanye supposed to be miffed at not winning a Grammy he wasn't up for?
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Sunday, 20 February 2011 05:47 (thirteen years ago) link
my jaw hit the floor when i read kelpolaris' post -- thankfully it moved back into place when he revealed he was kidding
― teenage cream (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 20 February 2011 05:49 (thirteen years ago) link
this is a stupid question but would you say that "so appalled," structurally speaking, has two choruses? I couldn't decide if the chorus is "one hand in the air, if you don't really care..." or "champagne wishes, dirty white bitches" or if one of those parts is something else.
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 23:15 (thirteen years ago) link
i think of the "champagne wishes" part as the proper chorus and the "hand in the air" part as just an additional refrain swizz improvised over the song after a lot of the other stuff was done.
― some dude, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 23:16 (thirteen years ago) link
huh. the "one hand in the air" part seems more like a proper chorus in that it's more sonically distinct from the verses.
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 23:20 (thirteen years ago) link
i think it's def "thirty white bitches"
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 23:23 (thirteen years ago) link
that song is utter garbage tho
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 23:24 (thirteen years ago) link
i keep telling myself that i'm wrong about kanYe and that i'll eventually come around to this album's brilliance. but after watching the 'all of the lights' video, hearing those godawful opening lines about MJ and that rocky theme song bullshit, i know im not wrong. who the fuck is this charlatan? dude's aesthetics are just so out of whack
― Paradife Loft (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 23:59 (thirteen years ago) link
otm
― some dude, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 00:48 (thirteen years ago) link
my hate for "All Of The Lights" has really blossomed since it's started getting radio play -- i can't believe he does the "i hold my head/ spent that bread" rhyme twice
the verses on that song are so bad
― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 00:52 (thirteen years ago) link
http://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/40558382377082880#lol
― mamma mia pizzeroni (kelpolaris), Saturday, 26 February 2011 02:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Anyone know why the official video for 'Monster' has been removed from the youtubes? I only find fan made vids and lo-quality clips.
Also: Jay-z's contribution makes me cringe everytime I hear it. Is there an edited version to be found without him?
― Moka, Friday, 4 March 2011 16:11 (thirteen years ago) link
How many fans of this album have since recanted?
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 March 2011 16:12 (thirteen years ago) link
1. Alfred, Lord Sotosyn2.
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Friday, 4 March 2011 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
I was firmly, joyously, unyieldingly in the hate column, ilxor.
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 March 2011 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
For a second I thought this was the REM thread and my head was spinning.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 4 March 2011 16:17 (thirteen years ago) link
i have such high hopes that in 9 years we'll be looking back on this decade and marveling how much better hip hop got than this album, with or without Kanye's help
― Rovi Wade (some dude), Friday, 4 March 2011 16:18 (thirteen years ago) link
but who will break it to SFJ?
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 March 2011 16:21 (thirteen years ago) link
ha i know sorry
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Friday, 4 March 2011 16:21 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think this album is supposed to be a benchmark album for the genre... or is it? It's a good album but not precisely innovative or influential imho.
― Moka, Friday, 4 March 2011 16:21 (thirteen years ago) link
It had a spectral influence on certain critics.
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 March 2011 16:23 (thirteen years ago) link
but who will break it to SFJ? SFJ, Rolling Stone, Pitchfork, PopMatters, EW, XXL, The Independent, and every other critical institution that has already inducted MBDTMDTBMFDMBTFBMFTDTMF into the canon?
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Friday, 4 March 2011 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Fucking hideous mess.
― lol sickmouthy (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 4 March 2011 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Since this is hardly the first time a later album by an established artist has been hailed as an immediate classic, there's no reason to believe anyone will have to recant or "remove" it from the canon. As I kinda said upthread, you just put My Aim Is True in the Top 100 Of All Time a few years later and ignore that you gave a higher rating to Imperial Bedroom when it came out.
― da croupier, Friday, 4 March 2011 17:07 (thirteen years ago) link
the canon is established over time, not by immediate reviews - by definition MBDTF is not canon yet
ideally in 9 years the very idea of the canon will have been destroyed, though
― lex pretend, Friday, 4 March 2011 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Talking Heads Pazz'n'jop Placements: 77 (#7, 170 points), More Songs About Buildings And Food (#5, 317 points), Fear Of Music (#4, 620 points), Remain In Light (#3, 863 points), Speaking In Tongues (#3, 746 points), Little Creatures (#1, 1078 points)
It's not like anyone had to answer for this.
― da croupier, Friday, 4 March 2011 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link
so were talking heads getting better, or was music getting worse....?
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Friday, 4 March 2011 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Critics were getting older.
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 March 2011 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
well you could say the same about kanye's status xpost
― da croupier, Friday, 4 March 2011 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
and Leon's getting LARGER
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8NFF04Yfm2E/R1GuOg5Z01I/AAAAAAAAAK4/jQMWlrJpwgI/s320/johnny.jpg
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 March 2011 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
so appalled really is an amazingly terrible song. rivals jay's monster verse for lowpoint of this
― johnny crunch, Friday, 4 March 2011 17:33 (thirteen years ago) link
wtf, i like that one...
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Friday, 4 March 2011 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link
just in terms of songs that plain don't work, nothing really beats out "Dark Fantasy", although the verses on "All of the Lights" rival it.
Still think both the hate and the love are overblown; this is basically a decent Kanye album with a couple of great songs on it released in a year where most high profile music was out-and-out garbage.
― goth barbershop quartet (DJP), Friday, 4 March 2011 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link
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― Gunther World Press, Tuesday, 8 March 2011 14:14 (thirteen years ago) link
I hope the Muppet MONSTER video gets a mention.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 14:18 (thirteen years ago) link
glad someone else got the first response in before i said "I WILL SLIT YOUR THROAT YOU FUCKING KRAUT" or something
― some dude, Tuesday, 8 March 2011 14:19 (thirteen years ago) link
woah.. in that case, me too!
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 14:20 (thirteen years ago) link
cool now i can finally read the whole thread without crashing my browser
― save a tree, write a twitter (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 14:35 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^inappropriate display name/post combos
we pour one out for kl0pper -- wherever you are, i hope 'graduation' is there pleasing yeh
^this has to be the dedication/epigraph
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 8 March 2011 14:37 (thirteen years ago) link