"Classically trained" isn't meaningless if the person in question does actually play/sing Beethoven, Brahms, etc.
― DJP, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:10 (thirteen years ago) link
(I agree it's meaningless in the context people usually use it, ie "this person took lessons from someone")
― DJP, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I've always taken it to mean they were beaten as children when they tried to skip out on piano lessons
― I, Mr. Sneer Joy (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:12 (thirteen years ago) link
shakey mo cornier
what's wrong with corny? would you prefer hokey, cheesy...?
― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link
i take it to mean "this person plays the piano", or sometimes "this person plays the violin". and that they were forced to play etudes for a few months in fourth grade.
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Jordan otm.
― The 33 1/3 Policeman (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:30 (thirteen years ago) link
I wouldn't be surprised if that fool in Pomp-la-mousse wasn't "classically trained"
― The 33 1/3 Policeman (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:31 (thirteen years ago) link
all these terms are used as shorthand to paper over some seriously unexamined preconceptions
― I, Mr. Sneer Joy (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:37 (thirteen years ago) link
corn-like
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:38 (thirteen years ago) link
kornesque
― he do the waka lyfe (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e2/Cornology.jpg/220px-Cornology.jpg
― I, Mr. Sneer Joy (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link
I like the word "corny." I think it was used by Lee Konitz to describe Lenny Tristano's behavior during the famous Jimmy Garrison metronome incident.
― The 33 1/3 Policeman (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link
I almost thought you were kidding but Iguess there was such an incident. No mention of 'corny' though.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link
http://raggedshirts.com/images/home/oh-me-so-corny-me-so-horny-funny-tshirt.jpg
― buzza, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Ned, that might have been, um, in a private communication. You can see that he does like to use the word, though, by looking here: http://books.google.com/books?id=pc4CsgVHLw0C&pg=PA91&lpg=PA91&dq=lennie+tristano+metronome+konitz+corny&source=bl&ots=g49QKJ9lfr&sig=vGpw6dLBMTLxuAupbDylZlhyJeA&hl=en&ei=VwNbTZKCKciftgf85KSFDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=corny&f=false
― The 33 1/3 Policeman (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 22:54 (thirteen years ago) link
"corny" is extremely useful imo
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 23:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Haven't used it much myself but am about to start. More Lee K http://dothemath.typepad.com/dtm/1-18-with-lee-k.htmlhttp://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=1087
― The 33 1/3 Policeman (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 23:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Not so much anymore, but for a while back in the day, Beatlesque was sure used a lot.
― NYCNative, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 23:16 (thirteen years ago) link
comparisons & references to:
Beach Boys/Brian WilsonNick DrakeJohn FaheyKraftwerketc.
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 23:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Sorry, to elaborate on that ----
in the sense that if someone is playing music even tangentially related to psych-pop, it automatically sounds like Brian Wilson. or acoustic guitar playing is assumed to be Fahey inspired. singer/songwriter = Drake, electronic = Kraftwerk, etc.
― Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 23:19 (thirteen years ago) link
That reminds me: this thread is missing "Joycean prose."
― The 33 1/3 Policeman (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 23:26 (thirteen years ago) link
"douchenozzle"
― gr8080, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 00:20 (thirteen years ago) link
My problem with corny is that I don't really know what it means. For a long time it basically translated as "uncool" and was used by the hip; so you had be-bop guys using the term to talk about some old-fashioned square swing band. But now it often seems to be used in re art that doesn't seem to have anything at all to do with cool, like, there is no imagined cooler alternative in some cases. I guess to me it references a time when ideas of cool were simpler so it has lost meaning.
And that is what I think of corny.
― Mark, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 03:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Joycean so otm. Joyce is really kind of inimitable.
― emotional air raids exhausted my ♥ (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 03:49 (thirteen years ago) link
"corny" is code for assholes who want to criticize something for being earnest and unironic, without wanting to actually come out and say that earnestness is bad
― old man yells at poop first thing in the morning (pixel farmer), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 03:59 (thirteen years ago) link
^corny
― pon de river, pon deez nuts (San Te), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 04:01 (thirteen years ago) link
^asshole
― old man yells at poop first thing in the morning (pixel farmer), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 04:04 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.theurbanelife.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/yawn-380x540.jpg
― pon de river, pon deez nuts (San Te), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 04:07 (thirteen years ago) link
wmc otm
― miss pansy twist (electricsound), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 04:08 (thirteen years ago) link
― Example: Hell (Matt P), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 04:13 (thirteen years ago) link
lol
― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 04:19 (thirteen years ago) link
corny ----> dopey
― sleepingbag, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 07:19 (thirteen years ago) link
I agree about "classically trained" but what's the alternative shorthand (in Blake's case) for someone who reached grade eight when he was 14 and talks in terms of Bach and counterpoint?
― DL, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 13:27 (thirteen years ago) link
"Classically trained" is tough because it suggests some legitimacy over those who have had no trainingWhich is incredibly dumb.There's a history of "20th Century Music" textbooks from 1980-2000 completely ignoring any pop musician who didn't have any classical trainingFavouring, say, Brubeck over any other jazz musician, Zappa over any other rock musician
Two terms that I'd like to see disappear, or at least elaborated upon, as I think they are connotative placeholders for any actual criticism: "boring", "white"
― Prick Squad (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 13:35 (thirteen years ago) link
earworm. why am i seeing this so often all of a sudden? it's a great word but i don't stop seeing it these days...
― Evil Eau (dog latin), Monday, 18 April 2011 12:02 (thirteen years ago) link
almost as if it's burrowing into your brain...
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Monday, 18 April 2011 12:26 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe because 'Musik von Harmonia' got reissued and people like the track 'Ohrwurm'
― forest zombie (Vasco da Gama), Monday, 18 April 2011 12:37 (thirteen years ago) link
seems like that (musical) usage is really common in german, but it also means earwig!
― forest zombie (Vasco da Gama), Monday, 18 April 2011 12:40 (thirteen years ago) link
"throbbing techno beats"
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 21 May 2011 08:31 (thirteen years ago) link
"guilt-free cheesiness of '80s rock"
"boutique" - fuck off! just fuck off!!
― the Sandalled Vandal (dog latin), Friday, 24 June 2011 10:47 (thirteen years ago) link
you fuck off: boutique is a very useful and normal word.
― gr8080, Friday, 24 June 2011 13:03 (thirteen years ago) link
"Triumph". From musicals to albums to acting, Entertainment Weekly won't stop using it.
― Breezy Summer Jam (MintIce), Friday, 24 June 2011 13:05 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost but it's used to refer to everything now, particularly as an adjective - boutique fesitvals, boutique beers etc.. it doesn't mean ought really.
― the Sandalled Vandal (dog latin), Friday, 24 June 2011 13:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Hope the 'pop-up' tide is ebbing.
(Aside: item just received by the food mag I'm in at – 'Cupcake Eggs'. These are completely normal free-range eggs in a pink carton. Press release claims they are perfect for any 'fashionista' who loves making cupcakes.)
― you don't exist in the database (woof), Friday, 24 June 2011 13:24 (thirteen years ago) link
what is the cupcake thing about?
― the Sandalled Vandal (dog latin), Friday, 24 June 2011 13:25 (thirteen years ago) link
it just crossed my mind because I have been at many magazines that like using 'boutique' and 'pop-up', and I was horrified by it earlier in the week. I think it is one of the most redundant products I have ever seen a company attempt to foist upon the world.
― you don't exist in the database (woof), Friday, 24 June 2011 13:31 (thirteen years ago) link
haven't heard of "pop-up". "boutique" wasn't necessarily referring to journalism, just stuff in general. It was prompted by an advert that mentioned "boutique beers" which makes me irrationally angry for some reason.
― the Sandalled Vandal (dog latin), Friday, 24 June 2011 13:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Though it strikes me you might mean 'why are people fixated on cupcakes at the moment?' and I don't know the answer to that. Madmen retroism + rise of the hummingbird bakery?
― you don't exist in the database (woof), Friday, 24 June 2011 13:43 (thirteen years ago) link
ok "boutique beers" is kind of stupid but i think saying "boutique hotel" makes sense
re: cupcakes-- food trends be trending
― gr8080, Friday, 24 June 2011 21:09 (thirteen years ago) link