"This Is Happening": the third album by LCD Soundsystem

like, come on ppl. This is part of their whole shtick.

At least make an interesting thread like the Stereolab references one that Milton did.

sometimes I wonder if certain people only like bands whose references they don't get/recognize

List The Direct References of Stereolab

Shakey OTM. I'm so glad that when I first heard the Jesus & Mary Chain and Spacemen 3 I didn't know much about older bands so I wasn't ticking off the references. It's an increasingly hard thing to remember when reviewing records as you get older - you don't want to become the old killjoy going, "That song you like? Well it's taken from this." Sample-based music is different though, and I see LCD's lifts as almost live (and uncredited) samples so it's more like a hip hop record, where finding out the sources doesn't detract from my enjoyment, and in fact enhances it because of what's been done to those sources.

When I interviewed James Murphy for this record he talked about this French journalist who was trying to catch him out, going [I quote his impression]. "So, zis song All I Want, perhaps you 'ave been listening to David Bowie's Heroes, non?" And he replied, "Well yes. Obviously. That was the idea."

dunno how hearing the jamaica running song would ruin 'dance yrself clean'...like, yeah, clearly he ripped the drums from a sorta boring song as part of the intro to his much more inneresting song. if the jamaica running song suddenly broke out in the crazy fuzz synth riff I might be disappointed.

they do a lot of great covers so it's easy to see their "originals" as barely disguised covers. doesn't bother me at all.

going to try to get tickets to that MSG show, saw them at Bowery Ballroom on the tour for the first record and it was great.

the pool >>> dance yrself clean though

Yeah that's a good point but I would never say the song was ever 'ruined' for me, I mean Datarock do this all the time too and they're one of my favorite bands. I think it's more of a disappointment in realizing that this band is something you define as say, the sound of the 00's or whatever in your eyes, only to realize that it's just the same as the 80's but with a facelift.

someone very reliable once told me that the original All My Friends was so much like a certain 80s New Order track (i forget which) that they'd have got sued if it'd have come out that way. so they had to go back and fiddle with it to make it sound.. a lot less so.

how come say Elastica had to give co-writing credits for the Wire/ Sranglers steals on Connection and Waking Up and Blur for the much less obvious Bowie/ Eno steals on M.O.R. but not LCD for theirs? i love LCD so i'm not out to diss em, just.. wondering why some bands get away with it and some don't.

I thought the beat on Losing My Edge was from A Certain Ratio?

that's just a casio preset, isn't it?

The Killing Joke song is called "Change" and it's a B-Side. IIRC the beat is played with a bass guitar or something. The KJ version is obviously a lot heavier but it's very similar.

Big difference between lifting a melody and lifting a beat. People don't cry plagiarism when someone uses the Be My Baby beat.

how come say Elastica had to give co-writing credits for the Wire/ Sranglers steals on Connection and Waking Up and Blur for the much less obvious Bowie/ Eno steals on M.O.R. but not LCD for theirs?

probably because back when Blur and Elastica were making those records they were actually making tons of money off hit singles and associated CD sales. This is not the case with LCD Soundsystem.

Rule No. 1 of Litigation: Don't sue poor people

Rule No. 1 of Litigation: Don't sue poor people

Tell that to the RIAA.

RIAA not really a model of successful litigators imho

honestly I've been thinking about this a lot lately. insofar as the collapse of the music industry has kinda made it not worth it to sue people for sample violations, for the first time in quite awhile it's now more or less possible to sample with impunity

real talk: anyone a) know if there's an online presale b) want to be a pal/front me $50/get me a GA ticket at the presale at the merc lounge box office tomorrow

so annoyed about that presale. got to prepare myself for Friday morning.

How do shoes at MSG work? I will be pissy if I don't get a GA ticket/have to stand in front of a fucking seat.

probably because back when Blur and Elastica were making those records they were actually making tons of money off hit singles and associated CD sales. This is not the case with LCD Soundsystem.

Rule No. 1 of Litigation: Don't sue poor people

― bien-pensant vibe (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, February 8, 2011 8:44 AM (1 hour ago)

lol, tell me more about how poor James and LCD are.

compared to Blur?

I mean lol if you think James Murphy is living off songwriting royalties, which is what a sample-based lawsuit would be entitled to go after

there's no way Elastica's one big selling album made them significantly richer in that 18 months they were sucessful, than James Murphy over a decade of production and writing. i mean.. wha..?

Have you guys noticed what Murphy wears? Dude spends no money.

Shakey Mo switched his stance from "James Murphy is poor" to "James Murphy isn't making money off songwriting royalties".

I don't know James Murphy so I can't ask him but my guess would be that his income is from a) live shows/DJ gigs and b) maybe some income from the label. And it's not like LCDs commanding Rolling Stones'-level touring budgets.

I kinda lol at anybody that thinks any musician is rich, especially someone with as low a profile as James Murphy. He's not Jay-Z for fuck's sake.

like I dunno if you guys talk to musicians at all but everybody is fucking broke

What about Damon Alborn (?) and Justine Frischmann (?)

James Murphy is not broke, he is loaded btw.

Albarn was at the top of the industry when the industry was at it's peak so duh. Frischmann got advertising money iirc - that Wire ripoff was everywhere. (If LCD's licensed any tunes to commercials I haven't noticed - highest profile think I noticed them in was Step Brothers lol)

were you hanging out on his yacht last weekend or what shasta

i'm sure murphy's doing fine, he must make $$$ on dj gigs. the "interview" from this thread did make me wonder though: BEST JAMES MURPHY ANSWER FROM NEW YORK MAGAZINE

4. Would you still live here on a $35,000 salary?
I've lived here on WAY less for more than a decade, so sure. If you don't want to, there are plenty of suburbs to wait for death in.

BILLIONAIRE

someone very reliable once told me that the original All My Friends was so much like a certain 80s New Order track (i forget which) that they'd have got sued if it'd have come out that way. so they had to go back and fiddle with it to make it sound.. a lot less so.
Without any inside knowledge, I'm 95% sure its "Ceremony."

I'd be suspicious of any English musician claiming they're weathy, what with their tax rates.

I mean lol if you think James Murphy is living off songwriting royalties, which is what a sample-based lawsuit would be entitled to go after

― bien-pensant vibe (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, February 8, 2011 6:42 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

that is not how it works.

Elastica were fucking coining it in during the 18 months they were successful... on airplay royalties

Also note that it was *in* those 18 months that they got sued by Wire and Stranglers

that is not how it works.

by all means, feel free to elaborate

(1) revenue is not limited to songwriting royalties, e.g. live performance, mechanicals, publishing rights, etc. (2) damages are not limited to the revenue accrued directly from the violation, e.g. you may be forced to pay damages for an infringing sample on a track you gave away.

how are damages calculated?

they're _unlikely_ to be more than the defendant can afford (but lol RIAA showboating). apart from that, it depends entirely on the nature/scale of infringement, jurisdiction, etc. and only very weakly on direct revenue.

note i know uk law better than us law, but the principle that you can be sued even if you give the infringing work away is true everywhere afaik.

also if you could only be sued for revenue, then there would be no punitive deterrent. i.e. just sample whatever, if you get caught then no biggie, just pay the man his money.

gonna sue james soundsystem now.

let me know how much of his <$35k salary you manage to garnish

real talk: anyone a) know if there's an online presale

there is, tomorrow at 10 am, via pitchfork

http://pitchfork.com/news/41507-lcd-soundsystem-presale-tickets-on-sale-today/

presale was a joke. pretty much sold out within 2 minutes.

All those people waiting in line at Mercury Lounge in 10 degrees this morning was a joke.

brrrrrr