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ugh that's even worse than the Dismemberment Plan show i saw last week where he sang "Like A G6"

"Whip My Hair" was the winner at Friday's Webster Hall show. Though if you're offended by him putting a bit of some hit/meme at the end of that song then you shouldn't stay to the end of a D-Plan show.

that's all not nearly as bad as the Dismemberment Plan show I saw where they played Dismemberment Plan songs

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well the lyric quotes in "OK, Joke's Over" in 2000-2003 were sometimes pretty dorky but usually not quite as dorky as Far East Movement or Das Racist

oh woop de shit

would have you preferred some cee-lo or something?

that's all not nearly as bad as the Dismemberment Plan show I saw where they played Dismemberment Plan songs

hahahah whiney g for the fucking WIN

mm i kind of really want to watch this video

that's all not nearly as bad as the Dismemberment Plan show I saw where they played Dismemberment Plan songs

― Jacka Laroo and Tyler Too (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, January 31, 2011 7:16 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

this is really disappointing coming from another drummer i really like

and yeah re: like a g6 tags loosen up everybody

(philly got "dancing on my own" and "single ladies")

(which is a huge step up from "back that azz up" and "such great heights" in 03)

(travis morrison enjoys music that embarrasses rockcrits welcome to 2001)

rock critics were embarrassed to like the postal service?

i think he meant the dismemberment plan

i wanna make myself believe, that rock critics love gibbard

i'm embarrassed that i like the postal service

srsly though, am i the only one who considers travis' total earnestness about his taste to be a really freeing positive? i don't mean like girl talk being earnest about his love for lady in the water, i mean guy who hears "like a g6" on the way to work and doesn't second-guess why he's humming it later

i guess -- it's only refreshing if you hang out w/ ppl who would get all self-conscious about pop songs, or only listen to singers that do that

the pfork end of year celebrity guest list was filled w/ indie artists talking about pop songs

"like a g6" is obv on the high end of the corny scale, but "single ladies" & "whip my hair" are pretty agreeable hits by and large idk

the pfork end of year celebrity guest list was filled w/ indie artists talking about pop songs

uhhhhh kinda? didn't andy k do a study where the-dream appeared like 6 times on pfork guest lists in 2010, but there was only one other mention of any R&B artist among all the lists??

Really of all p-approved acts only The Tough Alliance have genuinely "bad" taste in pop music.

there was an awful lot of Drake name dropping this year :-/

uhhhhh kinda? didn't andy k do a study where the-dream appeared like 6 times on pfork guest lists in 2010, but there was only one other mention of any R&B artist among all the lists??

― the new mordant & zingy ilxor persona (ilxor), Tuesday, February 1, 2011 1:31 AM (29 seconds ago) Bookmark

yeah idk -- there's certainly a slant towards 'cooler' pop esp rap/r&b & not white people pop -- but i guess my point is that an indie artist covering beyonce or willow seems a bit more passé afte pfork itself started earnestly covering pop -- i think this is reflected in the taste of new indie bands that are the babies of pfork

yeah like, who is 2000's equivalent of best coast & would that person have listed their dream collaboration as jay-z

2000 being the year 2000 & not the decade

travis covering oops i did it again changed everything

i know a dude irl who has expressed the opinion that earnestly liking pop music is so passe

i guess i should clarify to mean that an indie band covering a pop song is not in itself passé, but any shock over that would be, yes

yeah like, who is 2000's equivalent of best coast & would that person have listed their dream collaboration as jay-z

chris martin/coldplay; yes; oh and btw, they did collaborate

with the plan in general it was just a major part of my attraction to them from the get-go how they found the canny sense of humor in their eclecticism and still applied it sincerely to music as fearless as standard verse-chorus-verse songform gets without being perverse. they work on an ironic level in a really non-bullying way and they're shockingly inclusive from an earnest angle.

i mean i call them my favorite band(TM) because of these traits and their general perfect band-as-band (to me) personalities even though i don't play them as often as other favorite bands. i guess i'm always shocked when people take the effort to wince at them because i just can't imagine more likable personalities in musicians from a scene as churlish as indie much less d.c. indie.

probably 75% of my like 20 total ILM posts are about the dismemberment plan

howd you like the travis morrison solo albums?

yeah like, who is 2000's equivalent of best coast & would that person have listed their dream collaboration as jay-z

chris martin/coldplay; yes; oh and btw, they did collaborate

― the new mordant & zingy ilxor persona (ilxor), Tuesday, February 1, 2011 1:57 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

wtf are you talking about on various levels

my bad, it looks like best coast's album DID go double platinum domestically *shuffles off*

1. for a while it was like an indie band covering a pop tune = audience goes "how ironic!"
2. then for a second it was like an indie band covering a pop tune = audience goes "what a cool and fascinating choice!"
3. then there ceased to be anything inherently notable or interesting about the idea of an indie band covering a pop tune, unless it was genuinely an awesome cover
4. and at that point why would your indie band try covering a pop tune? it's not going to seem inherently interesting, and chances are slim that you've got a version of a beyonce song or whatever that does something worthwhile with the original
5. (combo pizza/taco etc. is not exactly a pop hit and thus doesn't really count in this, plus is also pretty straightforward as a "random thing to shout at a show" choice)
6. the end?

(note: I always felt like the dismemberment plan did this somewhere between period #1 and period #2 above, sort of baiting the audience by saying "you think this is ironic but I LIKE POP, OPEN YR DAMN MINDS ffs," which was possibly influential in the transition from #1 to #2)

okay so i'm speaking hypothetically, assuming best coast will suddenly take the f off and sell 2m records in 2011

xp j0rd

the year 2000 equivalent of best coast being all "omg i wish i could work with drake *quotes a drake line*" would've been like neko case being all "get me on a track w/ cam'ron and i can die happy" -- it's a different world

no whiney weingarteno but i would be interested in hearing how the crowds at the d-plan reunion shows reacted to "whip my hair" & "like a g6"

howd you like the travis morrison solo albums?

― the new mordant & zingy ilxor persona (ilxor), Tuesday, February 1, 2011 2:00 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

i like both travis albums a lot, especially the second one (i think i pazzed it at #8 or so that year). they're a little more they might be giants-y perhaps but i'm totally amazed how many people feel the gap between those and plan albums is that huge and i really fail to see what they're missing. "angry angel" is a really bad song, sure. for me, "you make me feel like a freak," "change," "song for the orca," "born in 72," "people die," "the word cop," "churchgoer," "hawkins' rock" would all make a career best-of.

i shrugged at the maritime stuff and consider the statehood album to be the only grave misstep by any plan members so far. i think travis' web-only "snacktime" and "checkers and chess" are funny as shit.

umm, come to think of it, "whip my hair" also translates pretty exactly into a rock "yelling something over and over" context -- there's not even a stretch there. it has no genre.

like, it is also nu-metal and several different types of techno

yeah that is also true -- i still contend that if it was a rihanna song it would've been fully embraced by pitchfork & its ilk & that's not cuz rihanna could've done the song any better but there's still a line of like "will smith's 9 year old daughter" that a lot of ppl aren't willing to cross

uhhh just heard "whip my hair" for the first time no lie (& saw the video) and wtffffff. like, it's okay? i gueeeess??? but like, parents, get control of yr 10 year olds! wtf. i have an 8 yr old myself & no way i'd try to turn her into a budding pop star in two years. she can sing to miley & taylor in our living room.

aren't you like 23 years old?

if that was a rihanna song it've been the worst song of her career, sorry

25 xp

don't even feel like arguing this but i'll just say that rihanna has some shit singles

and, my point is less about the quality of "whip my hair" & more about gate keeping & stigma etc

"i still contend that if it was a rihanna song it would've been fully embraced by pitchfork & its ilk & that's not cuz rihanna could've done the song any better but there's still a line of like "will smith's 9 year old daughter" that a lot of ppl aren't willing to cross"

yeah, without wanting to generalize it to just "pitchfork," i definitely believe there's a line in the sand re: "approved" pop a lot of the time with indie/crit/people-who-consider-themselves-serious-about-music

kind of caused me to have a reverse-prejudice myself about robyn until very recently