latepassapedia: records that were light years better the ones indie dudes eventually endorsed as classics

Well, in the UK they had pretty much no profile with indiepeople 'til Stankonia.

Dubnosbasswithmyheadman by Underworld.
In A Silent way by Miles Davis, if that counts (Bitches Brew selling 300,000 copies to rock-friendly people, IASW being the bretter record).

What about where indiepeople get it wrong the OTHER way around; i.e. all praise an album when the one that followed is better? Cos I'm always miffed that indiepeople praise Tago Mago over Ege Bamyasi.

always forget about the transatlantic divide in existence...

I think the EB > TM retcon has only been in effect for a few years--my impression is that Tago Mago has been considered the essential 'must-get' one for a long time (since Krautrocksampler? never read it, but seems like that's the Bible to indie appreciation of Krautrock)(but if you read the first the first EOY list on NME--1974--there are like 3 Can records in the Top 60)

Feel like there are too many divergent takes on the Can discog for a rock solid narrative to really form.

also
is weezy really in an irreversible slide downwards?

apparently there's a whole thread devoted to this debate. Duh.

xxxp was aquemini really ignored by rock/generalist critics at the time? the reputation it has now can't all have been retroactively applied can it

tuieruhggapsdz

sorry, just fell asleep on keyboard there

Crits were ready to put classic status on Speakerboxxx/Love Below, but I think they've since pedaled that one back

i'd have picked ATLiens for this thread but i think it fails the lightyears clause since aquemini is good

Most of the picks on this thread fail the light years clause.

true

it's almost as if hyperbole were used in a thread title on the internet

any mentions of miles davis itt are eye roll-y

kind of blue is better than in silent way

beethovan's 4th

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^ this was a beautiful post

tuieruhggapsdz

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sorry, just fell asleep on keyboard there

― history mayne, Monday, January 31, 2011 10:42 PM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark

A+++

secret shit they missed while the cool kids were exchanging high fives on planet future

thread is reprehensible obv but this ^ should be new ilm board descrip

clicked hoping this would be a great thread, lasted about 10 posts before scrolling past everything quickly & smdh the whole way. btw the bug's pressure is a great record but the critics are right (even if they were also late)-- london zoo is leagues better

ed 3 on the money; I wz thinking "high fives on planet future" as a possible new sn

high suggestbans on planet weingarten

Nostalgia, Ultra

i like it when you sleep, for you are so beautiful yet so unaware of it

it doesn't really fit the "light years better" qualifier but i couldn't resist lol

very few of these examples will truly fit the "light years better" qualifier (imo), but it's still a good thread idea, shout out to WGW for linking to it.

Does the phenomenon of revisionist hipster classics still exist in any strength? It seems like streaming services have lessened the weight of particular reissues.

Neil Young - Landing On Water
Bob Dylan - Under a Blood Red Sky
David Bowie - Never Let Me Down

Landing on Water rather than which record?

Beyoncé, 4

Also the first Kacey Musgraves album

this is like the bizarro New Jersey or something, right?

Orbus Terrarum

Beyoncé, 4

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beyonce, b'day

whilst kacey m should have been receiving plaudits from the first record on... it's definitely debatable whether the first record (which is amazing) is light years better than this year's LP

Miranda Lambert- Kerosene

I'd say Amerie's All I Have except that IIRC it was less the follow-up album as a whole that was endorsed as a classic than it was "1 Thing" specifically. Similar issue with Kelis' Kaleidoscope versus "Milkshake"/Tasty.

I was thinking about whether this happens a lot in dance / electronic music and it seems actually not very common? I suspect because typically there's usually such a run-up to actual full length albums by artists in that field that, typically, by the time the debut album actually comes out, it's either already a disappointment vis a vis the artist's earlier work or, if it's any good, the portion of the music crit community that pays any attention to dance music at all is fairly well-placed to endorse it as a classic pretty quickly, or it's a bit of both of those things.

Against that, the first/best actual example I can think of is probably Isolee's Rest versus Wearemonster.

thread premise is decent but I'm not sure why indie rock should be excluded (and yes also the lightyears is prob unnecessary hyperbole) so anyway:

Julien Baker - Sprained Ankle
Bon Iver - For Emma, Forever Ago

*HANDS UP THREAD POLICE*

the Bon Iver album was absurdly highly acclaimed by critics. It's the cornerstone of his foundation myth

nope it was overlooked the year it was released and then a sleeper hit next year, but p4k put the disappointing follow up in the #1 spot on their aoy list

no indie rock itt pls respect thread rules

aight but just out of curiosity are the thread rules completely idiosyncratic or is there a reason why relatively underrated indie rock records would be less interesting than rap records?

since classic rock is apparently not disqualified: Revolver

I was thinking about whether this happens a lot in dance / electronic music and it seems actually not very common?

It mostly happens in reverse, everyone is desperate to jump on the first record and the second is often dismissed as being predictable by comparison, even when it's better. I'm thinking about the hosannas that greeted the first Galcher Lustwerk tape and now no one seems to give a shit when he releases an album. Also the stratospheric praise for the first Martyn album compared with the relatively muted reception for the (far superior) Ghost People.

Landing on Water rather than which record?

Ragged Glory, probably.

aight but just out of curiosity are the thread rules completely idiosyncratic or is there a reason why relatively underrated indie rock records would be less interesting than rap records?

The whole point is that a lot of indie listeners understand and listen to other genres less than standard indie rock, about the elements of the music they tend to latch onto, and how that differs from what people more immersed in the genre might latch onto. By contrast 'X indie record is overrated/underrated by indie fans' is not an especially interesting debate.

A more interesting counterpoint would be the kinds of indie rock records that rap or pop listeners tend to gravitate towards/hail as classics, but that's a different thread.

I mean it's a lame, smug concept for a thread but within that, excluding indie rock records makes sense.

A more interesting counterpoint would be the kinds of indie rock records that rap or pop listeners tend to gravitate towards/hail as classics, but that's a different thread.

― Matt DC, Friday, November 30, 2018 7:22 AM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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you’ll never guess who started that one!

nope it was overlooked the year it was released and then a sleeper hit next year, but p4k put the disappointing follow up in the #1 spot on their aoy list

this is a weird way to look at canon construction. initial reception is often at odds to how things ultimately get sorted out. Like "Don't Tell a Soul" got a lot more attention/reviews at the time than any previous Replacements album, but nobody thinks of that as their canonical record.

Against that, the first/best actual example I can think of is probably Isolee's Rest versus Wearemonster.

― Tim F, Thursday, November 29, 2018 4:33 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Wearemonster was the first thing that came to mind rereading this thread

Also probably Herbert - scale (and maybe several times going backwards)

Yeah Around The House > Bodily Functions also works.

I suppose some hardcore early fans would take it back even earlier.

There's another wrinkle to this thread that I think that Bon Iver doesn't fit, which is that the critical hosannas for the follow-up pretend or assume that people don't need a late-pass, that this X album is the classic. Rather than "we didn't get to the previous album until recently and hey isn't it amazing? Also this follow-up is very good."

I already regret getting into this but his first album was #29 on Pitchfork's 2007 EOY list. Sure they were overcompensating with their reaction to the second one, but they certainly didn't overlook the debut

Kevin I can't see the thread you're linking to but my immediate guess was the Goon Rock thread?