latepassapedia: records that were light years better the ones indie dudes eventually endorsed as classics

like, he did kinda frame it as a one-upping thing which gets ppl all mad doggie. im w/ the general gist that critics tend to jump on late, esp when it comes to non-critic-focused music

yeah if only rap critics were dominating the critical discourse

that's seriously on some "start a WHITE HISTORY MONTH thread"

rap critics are dominating the critical discourse wr2 rap albums and the dedicated rap audience, imo. that mainstream (and often indie-friendly) critics mediate the intersection of rap and mainstream (indie-friendly) audiences seems perfectly reasonable to me.

and i'm not saying that you should start such a thread, but if we can't turn the game around like that, then there's some baggage in this thread that isn't being honestly addressed.

idk this kindof feels really similar to ppl who try to go on holidays to authentic nontouristy places because the mark of authenticity is seeing other ppl who look like them there. i mean this feels p. paradigmatic of what indie guilt is.

there isnt really a 'rap discourse' being dominated by anyone. its super-balkanized

Look, guys. Let me set some things straight here. J0rdan really called me out on my latepassness of The-Dream the other day, and I went and (re?)visted that album and realized it was great. I am happier to have that album in my life. I kind of was hoping this thread could provide more examples of these records (ie, I've never heard the first High On Fire record!) and maybe provide a guide (for others and myself) to great records overshadowed by the latepassness of the critical discourse (yes, it's dominantely indie... SHOCKAH) that often praises records that fit into a narrative or misses good genre stuff the first time around.

Yes, OBVIOUSLY, it's a snarky way of saying it. But I wish people would listen to The Bug's Pressure and Fucked Up's Hidden World because they are dope albums

deej super otm in this thread

Spiritualized, Lazer Guided Melodies

what rap discourse does exist is often hyper self conscious about the opinions of assertive indie dude critics, thus lames like 2dopeboyz having awful opinions hating anything vaguely non-traditionalist or vaguely 'positive,' or passion of the weiss being half-post-dubstep / trip hop / indie coverage & half rap

im w/ the general gist that critics tend to jump on late, esp when it comes to non-critic-focused music

― *kl0p* (deej), Sunday, January 30, 2011 5:12 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

aka, this thread is for the non-critic-focused music (aka things other than INDIE ROCK in the 00s) that got looked over. everyone stop being so fuckin wahhmbulance that i insulted the shitty clipse record

"critics aint live it they clueless theyre following your lead when they're bumping your music" - T.I.

the first part of that verse is "they criticized too $hort cuz he rapped slow / me for sellin blow and eazy e for being hardcore" so you can add them to the list

critics tend to jump on late, esp when it comes to non-critic-focused music

generalist critics are always and will always be late simply because they're trying to canvas the entire field. they're not out there in all the world's clubs watching microgenres develop, watching bands & artists in every local scene around the world come up. they might be intimately engaged with one or two niches, but they can't catch everything, so they inevitably catch up. this is fine. there's nothing wrong with it.

the only people who are ever gonna find anything lolsome abt it are weird rockists who think that their engagement with the music is somehow realer and better than everybody else's.

turquoise jeep - wifey boo

who are critics even now

i wonder if its indie guilt that makes ppl think vocalcity is better than present lover

thats my contribution btw

and nice save, whiney, but you can't give a thread a title like this and just dive in with the examples without expecting some backlash.

who are critics even now

i wonder if its indie guilt that makes ppl think vocalcity is better than present lover

thats my contribution btw

― Lamp, Sunday, January 30, 2011 4:20 PM (25 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haha. im w/ you on luomo

generalist critics are always and will always be late simply because they're trying to canvas the entire field.

Cool, we agree. Can we post some albums?

turquoise jeep - wifey boo

― Tuomagotchi (crüt), Sunday, January 30, 2011 4:19 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

wait are u saying this is better than 'smang it' cuz :-/

yes

Metallica - Master of Puppets

lolling @ curtis

waht

― *kl0p* (deej), Sunday, January 30, 2011 4:58 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark

i think 'king' is his best record

Kyuss - ...And the Circus Leaves Town

Are Meshuggah part of the 'indie-metal' canon?

trap muzik >>> king

even if u disagree saying 'indie people got it right' is kinda misleading -- its more like, indie people missed his first buzzworthy record & luckily for them he managed to top it with his next one, when they caught up

J0rdan really called me out on my latepassness of The-Dream the other day, and I went and (re?)visted that album and realized it was great. I am happier to have that album in my life. I kind of was hoping this thread could provide more examples of these records (ie, I've never heard the first High On Fire record!)

see, deej called out on my the-dream latepass, and i though he was bein a dick. but shit yeah, the art of self defense is a fucking monster.

worst thread of 2011

even if u disagree saying 'indie people got it right' is kinda misleading -- its more like, indie people missed his first buzzworthy record & luckily for them he managed to top it with his next one, when they caught up

― *kl0p* (deej), Sunday, January 30, 2011 5:31 PM (47 seconds ago) Bookmark

yeah i know -- i was just trying to balance the thread out

i kinda think we shd focus our energies on being otm in the future instead of worrying about how indie ppl were offtm in the past

this thread hasn't taken up that much of my energy

*shrug* have fun im going back to listening to cali rap from '96

why is it "indie dudes" and not "generalist critics"

OK, do you guys really want me to explain why I said "indie dudes" because I have a reason

Genesis - ABACAB

...what? You *said* "non indie" right?

because whiney has an inclination towards being inflammatory

'generalist critics' really like the music of 'indie dudes'

more of a cliff than an inclination

why is it "indie dudes" and not "generalist critics"

― omar little, Sunday, January 30, 2011 2:36 PM (13 seconds ago) Bookmark

that's the million dollar seven cent question

I figured it would be a good catch all to include Pitchfork, Sgum, Paste, and the review sections of a lot of the print mags which focus on indie bands instead of like Kings Of Leon and Amy Winehouse. I don't know what word I should have used. I figured it would be self-explanatory, but I was so, so, so, so wrong

because whiney has an inclination towards being inflammatory

what # is this on the list of ways that whiney is like a bad rash???

I don't know what word I should have used.

"critics"

i honestly didn't think using a seemingly self-explanatory shorthand for "publications on the web and in print that focus primarily on indie (the genre) music" would be all that inflammatory. But it's apparantly like Pauly D from Jersey Shore walking into the middle of Daddy's at happy hour and yelling "HIPSTERS!"

never under estimate the dumb shit people can get butthurt about on this site

or if you were sincere about just wanting recommendations:

"whiney"

xp - wait, so you are talking about critics and not dudes?

yes, sorry i didn;t make that clear

pitchfork isn't all dudes, cf dominique leone and jessica harvell

hen fap hen fap hahahah

btw the three posts before the jump are perfect