The only real difference with "indie dudes" vis a vis dudes of any other genre is that indie dudes are confident they know what the best thing is in every genre.
lol u really believe this is true
― Lamp, Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link
like, he did kinda frame it as a one-upping thing which gets ppl all mad doggie. im w/ the general gist that critics tend to jump on late, esp when it comes to non-critic-focused music
― *kl0p* (deej), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:12 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah if only rap critics were dominating the critical discourse
that's seriously on some "start a WHITE HISTORY MONTH thread"
rap critics are dominating the critical discourse wr2 rap albums and the dedicated rap audience, imo. that mainstream (and often indie-friendly) critics mediate the intersection of rap and mainstream (indie-friendly) audiences seems perfectly reasonable to me.
and i'm not saying that you should start such a thread, but if we can't turn the game around like that, then there's some baggage in this thread that isn't being honestly addressed.
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link
idk this kindof feels really similar to ppl who try to go on holidays to authentic nontouristy places because the mark of authenticity is seeing other ppl who look like them there. i mean this feels p. paradigmatic of what indie guilt is.
― plax (ico), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link
there isnt really a 'rap discourse' being dominated by anyone. its super-balkanized
― *kl0p* (deej), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Look, guys. Let me set some things straight here. J0rdan really called me out on my latepassness of The-Dream the other day, and I went and (re?)visted that album and realized it was great. I am happier to have that album in my life. I kind of was hoping this thread could provide more examples of these records (ie, I've never heard the first High On Fire record!) and maybe provide a guide (for others and myself) to great records overshadowed by the latepassness of the critical discourse (yes, it's dominantely indie... SHOCKAH) that often praises records that fit into a narrative or misses good genre stuff the first time around.
Yes, OBVIOUSLY, it's a snarky way of saying it. But I wish people would listen to The Bug's Pressure and Fucked Up's Hidden World because they are dope albums
― url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:15 (thirteen years ago) link
deej super otm in this thread
― url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Spiritualized, Lazer Guided Melodies
― ban this sick stunt (anagram), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:16 (thirteen years ago) link
what rap discourse does exist is often hyper self conscious about the opinions of assertive indie dude critics, thus lames like 2dopeboyz having awful opinions hating anything vaguely non-traditionalist or vaguely 'positive,' or passion of the weiss being half-post-dubstep / trip hop / indie coverage & half rap
― *kl0p* (deej), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:16 (thirteen years ago) link
im w/ the general gist that critics tend to jump on late, esp when it comes to non-critic-focused music
― *kl0p* (deej), Sunday, January 30, 2011 5:12 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
aka, this thread is for the non-critic-focused music (aka things other than INDIE ROCK in the 00s) that got looked over. everyone stop being so fuckin wahhmbulance that i insulted the shitty clipse record
― url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:18 (thirteen years ago) link
"critics aint live it they clueless theyre following your lead when they're bumping your music" - T.I.
― *kl0p* (deej), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:18 (thirteen years ago) link
the first part of that verse is "they criticized too $hort cuz he rapped slow / me for sellin blow and eazy e for being hardcore" so you can add them to the list
critics tend to jump on late, esp when it comes to non-critic-focused music
generalist critics are always and will always be late simply because they're trying to canvas the entire field. they're not out there in all the world's clubs watching microgenres develop, watching bands & artists in every local scene around the world come up. they might be intimately engaged with one or two niches, but they can't catch everything, so they inevitably catch up. this is fine. there's nothing wrong with it.
the only people who are ever gonna find anything lolsome abt it are weird rockists who think that their engagement with the music is somehow realer and better than everybody else's.
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:19 (thirteen years ago) link
turquoise jeep - wifey boo
― Tuomagotchi (crüt), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:19 (thirteen years ago) link
who are critics even now
i wonder if its indie guilt that makes ppl think vocalcity is better than present lover
thats my contribution btw
― Lamp, Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:20 (thirteen years ago) link
and nice save, whiney, but you can't give a thread a title like this and just dive in with the examples without expecting some backlash.
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:21 (thirteen years ago) link
― Lamp, Sunday, January 30, 2011 4:20 PM (25 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
haha. im w/ you on luomo
― *kl0p* (deej), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:21 (thirteen years ago) link
generalist critics are always and will always be late simply because they're trying to canvas the entire field.
Cool, we agree. Can we post some albums?
― url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:21 (thirteen years ago) link
― Tuomagotchi (crüt), Sunday, January 30, 2011 4:19 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
wait are u saying this is better than 'smang it' cuz :-/
― *kl0p* (deej), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link
yes
― Tuomagotchi (crüt), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Metallica - Master of Puppets
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:24 (thirteen years ago) link
lolling @ curtis
― lilwayne.quizrewards4u.com (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:29 (thirteen years ago) link
waht
― *kl0p* (deej), Sunday, January 30, 2011 4:58 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark
i think 'king' is his best record
Kyuss - ...And the Circus Leaves Town
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Are Meshuggah part of the 'indie-metal' canon?
― Davek (davek_00), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:30 (thirteen years ago) link
trap muzik >>> king
― *kl0p* (deej), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:30 (thirteen years ago) link
even if u disagree saying 'indie people got it right' is kinda misleading -- its more like, indie people missed his first buzzworthy record & luckily for them he managed to top it with his next one, when they caught up
― *kl0p* (deej), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:31 (thirteen years ago) link
J0rdan really called me out on my latepassness of The-Dream the other day, and I went and (re?)visted that album and realized it was great. I am happier to have that album in my life. I kind of was hoping this thread could provide more examples of these records (ie, I've never heard the first High On Fire record!)
see, deej called out on my the-dream latepass, and i though he was bein a dick. but shit yeah, the art of self defense is a fucking monster.
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:31 (thirteen years ago) link
worst thread of 2011
― max, Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:32 (thirteen years ago) link
― *kl0p* (deej), Sunday, January 30, 2011 5:31 PM (47 seconds ago) Bookmark
yeah i know -- i was just trying to balance the thread out
― lilwayne.quizrewards4u.com (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link
i kinda think we shd focus our energies on being otm in the future instead of worrying about how indie ppl were offtm in the past
― *kl0p* (deej), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link
this thread hasn't taken up that much of my energy
― lilwayne.quizrewards4u.com (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link
*shrug* have fun im going back to listening to cali rap from '96
― *kl0p* (deej), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link
why is it "indie dudes" and not "generalist critics"
― omar little, Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link
OK, do you guys really want me to explain why I said "indie dudes" because I have a reason
― art crüt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Genesis - ABACAB
...what? You *said* "non indie" right?
― Citizen SNPs (Trayce), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:37 (thirteen years ago) link
because whiney has an inclination towards being inflammatory
― lilwayne.quizrewards4u.com (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:37 (thirteen years ago) link
'generalist critics' really like the music of 'indie dudes'
― *kl0p* (deej), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:37 (thirteen years ago) link
more of a cliff than an inclination
― Cars and Freedom (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:38 (thirteen years ago) link
― omar little, Sunday, January 30, 2011 2:36 PM (13 seconds ago) Bookmark
that's the million dollar seven cent question
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I figured it would be a good catch all to include Pitchfork, Sgum, Paste, and the review sections of a lot of the print mags which focus on indie bands instead of like Kings Of Leon and Amy Winehouse. I don't know what word I should have used. I figured it would be self-explanatory, but I was so, so, so, so wrong
― art crüt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link
what # is this on the list of ways that whiney is like a bad rash???
― Lamp, Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:40 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't know what word I should have used.
"critics"
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link
i honestly didn't think using a seemingly self-explanatory shorthand for "publications on the web and in print that focus primarily on indie (the genre) music" would be all that inflammatory. But it's apparantly like Pauly D from Jersey Shore walking into the middle of Daddy's at happy hour and yelling "HIPSTERS!"
never under estimate the dumb shit people can get butthurt about on this site
― art crüt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:42 (thirteen years ago) link
or if you were sincere about just wanting recommendations:
"whiney"
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:42 (thirteen years ago) link
xp - wait, so you are talking about critics and not dudes?
― sarahel, Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link
yes, sorry i didn;t make that clear
― art crüt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link
pitchfork isn't all dudes, cf dominique leone and jessica harvell
― omar little, Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:44 (thirteen years ago) link
hen fap hen fap hahahah
― art crüt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:44 (thirteen years ago) link