I don't think some of these count because general recognition != "this is a classic". Some of these are just "indie press did not cover first album, covered second or later album after popular consensus led them to that musician."
Pretty sure people were all over that first Clipse album, or at least the ilm crowd was.
― w/no hesitation (mh), Sunday, 30 January 2011 20:02 (thirteen years ago) link
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― S'morgy (rip van wanko), Sunday, January 30, 2011 7:40 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I hope everyone else is singing this to the tune of 'Black and Yellow' too.
― emil.y, Sunday, 30 January 2011 20:04 (thirteen years ago) link
hah
― lilwayne.quizrewards4u.com (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 30 January 2011 20:07 (thirteen years ago) link
lol, google chrome now thinks this page is in spanish and asks if I want to translate it
― w/no hesitation (mh), Sunday, 30 January 2011 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link
what's yer question?
oh lol on w/e IMPORTANT LIST THREAD it was that i brought up listening to/liking small run cassette releases i asked u how obscure/difficult to hear/lmtd run a release has to be before you wouldnt consider mentioning it in your own personal best of the year. & im p sure i only bragged on my 'cool' taste in music as part of that discussion...
i guess my sincere qn w/r/t to this thread wld be why (or i guess even if) u think it matters whether the nebulous 'indie crowd' cannonizes the 'wrong' clipse album given how ppl consume music now anyways
― Lamp, Sunday, 30 January 2011 20:12 (thirteen years ago) link
what a horribly enlightening "thread"
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 30 January 2011 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost - Well it doesn't really MATTER, technically. But I think ILX is one place where many people are professional, part-time or hobbyist critics/bloggers etc. And some times its interesting to talk about how sausages get made, y'know?
― url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 January 2011 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link
how sausage parties get made
― sarahel, Sunday, 30 January 2011 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link
(if you stretch the premise of this thread to include 'trapped in the closet' despite it not being an actual album...)
r. kelly - chocolate factory / tp-2.com
― lilwayne.quizrewards4u.com (J0rdan S.), Sunday, January 30, 2011 1:40 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
in what world is "Trapped In The Closet" R. Kelly's widely endorsed classic? and i mean...i don't prefer the '90s stuff to his '00s stuff but if anything 12 Play is the classic that "Ignition" era fans sleep on.
― some dude, Sunday, 30 January 2011 20:17 (thirteen years ago) link
i have trapped in the closet on 12 cassettes, ecstatic peace put it out
― smang a goon (get it on) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 30 January 2011 20:22 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/stevin.gif
― Cars and Freedom (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 30 January 2011 20:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Why isn't this thread funny like the one about Bombay 2: Electric Vindaloo? Very disappointing stuff Whiney.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Sunday, 30 January 2011 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppv7ujKeHS0
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 30 January 2011 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Ghostface - Supreme ClienteleDavid Banner - MTA and MTA2
― sammy bagels (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 30 January 2011 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Albums people still waiting to pick up their latepass:
Juvenile - Reality Check
― sammy bagels (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 30 January 2011 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link
2 of OP are rong imo
― smanging pumpkins (The Reverend), Sunday, 30 January 2011 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
thread is some smuggy-smug bullshit. fuck it & fuck you whiney for starting it (gently and w the sweetest love, of course)
i'm fuxxor as fuck, and iirc, the people of my tribe caught this shit right off the bat:
MF Doom - Operation DoomsdayFucked Up - Hidden WorldLil Wayne - Tha Carter IIBaroness - The Red AlbumPig Destroyer - TerrifyerClipse - Lord WillinMastodon - LeviathanGhostface - Supreme Clientele
tell you the truth, this seems more like a list of records that indies glommed onto than one of secret shit they missed while the cool kids were exchanging high fives on planet future.
oh wait, no it doesn't. it seems like indie nerds working out their indie guilt by shitting on other indie nerds. awesome.
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Sunday, 30 January 2011 21:26 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe u can make a blog/book out of it. records white people like.
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Sunday, 30 January 2011 21:27 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.ssplprints.com/lowres/43/main/33/111929.jpg
― Cars and Freedom (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 30 January 2011 21:29 (thirteen years ago) link
it's called "brand maintenance"
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Sunday, 30 January 2011 21:31 (thirteen years ago) link
so glad i'm not a serious dude
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 30 January 2011 21:33 (thirteen years ago) link
I know Boris fans who would say Akuma No Uta, but I dunno. Pink is pretty great.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 30 January 2011 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Sunday, January 30, 2011 4:26 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark
lol tell em why you mad
― lilwayne.quizrewards4u.com (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 30 January 2011 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i.thisislondon.co.uk/i/pix/2008/09/hamlet-queue-415x275.jpg
― Cars and Freedom (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 30 January 2011 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link
― sammy bagels (a hoy hoy), Sunday, January 30, 2011 3:41 PM (56 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
to the extent that Reality Check was praised it was probably partly by people who need a latepass on 400 Degreez or even Juve The Great
― some dude, Sunday, 30 January 2011 21:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Boris has so many good records
― url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 January 2011 21:40 (thirteen years ago) link
okay, touche, i am serious dude getting all butthurt. that's kinda my thing. but man, i am SO fucking sick of indies and hipsters lolling at indies and hipsters, acting like their super hipster indie shit don't stink. it's like when goth kids claim not to be goth in one breath and in the next tell you why those kids over there "aren't really gothic." gah, makes me wanna kill.
flight of the behemoth is such a perfect example. if you wore out a tape of the grimmrobe demos or snagged a prerelease copy of 00 void off anderson, then sure, you get a bonus plaque. otherwise, you're just in there with the pack, picking up on shit as it picks up fans.
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Sunday, 30 January 2011 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link
lol this thread reminds me of some *insightful opinions* i was having today re the concept of "indie guilt." Kindof occurs to me that other genres dont really have this problem where they disown the genre they are fans of as being for lamewads (i mean there is in-genre fighting and the resulting factioning of like backpacker lame-os and like how ppl from europe dont understand the soul of disco or w/e).
I feel like indie is always really interested in neoromantic "year zero" narratives which is like a hangover from punk or something and maybe as a consequence of its magpie attitude to other genres, indie ppl seem to try and get some of this razed earth frission (via personal brand makeover) by jumping on board other genres. and also bc of the kind of territorial pissing that we saw on the the-dream thread, ppl naturally think that "being there first" w/ music makes them realer fans (and obv. that kind of authenticity is gonna be important to anybody whos trying not to look like they were really into grizzly bear a couple weeks ago) and i think the interaction b/w these two characteristics one of gen. music nerds and one more spec. of indie fans is gonna make threads like this a dishearteningly inevitable reality omg blech
― plax (ico), Sunday, 30 January 2011 21:48 (thirteen years ago) link
but yeah, boris has records. i came it @ akuma no uta. what's that make me? (an indie rocker.)
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Sunday, 30 January 2011 21:51 (thirteen years ago) link
indie guilt realness fetish = rockism eating its own entrails
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Sunday, 30 January 2011 21:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Pretty sure that me and j0rd attempting to have a civilized convo about some albums that fit a common pattern says way less about "indie guilt" than the people who instantly get MEGA-BUTTHURT about this thread and start opining about out psychological makeup
― url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 January 2011 21:57 (thirteen years ago) link
― Cars and Freedom (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 30 January 2011 21:29 (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
^is this guy racking out a line or
― Rogaine's a hell of a rug (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 30 January 2011 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
artists where indie ppl were right on it
- t.i.
― lilwayne.quizrewards4u.com (J0rdan S.), Sunday, January 30, 2011 1:04 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
waht
― *kl0p* (deej), Sunday, 30 January 2011 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
like all that shit about flag-planting and "I WAS THERE FIRST" and our "ground-level" hipness is stuff other people are projecting on to this thread.
― url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 January 2011 21:59 (thirteen years ago) link
i think this could have been posed in a less INDIE INTERNAL DEBATE/WARFARE way, like, 'critics were late on these artists,' in a way that doesnt exclude like rap critics or whatever
― *kl0p* (deej), Sunday, 30 January 2011 21:59 (thirteen years ago) link
do you have any good examples?
― url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link
trynna dice us up into little groups
i dont give a shit when 'indie kids' got up on something but i am kind of interested in when critical discourse comes around to come artists & what moves those artists have to make to get that attention
― *kl0p* (deej), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link
cool, do you have any good examples?
― url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:02 (thirteen years ago) link
three-6 mafia
― *kl0p* (deej), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link
― url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, January 30, 2011 9:57 PM (4 minutes ago)
lol i wasnt getting butthurt at all but this is crazy disingenuous given the thread title was this changed afterwards or what bc i mean i only got here recently i cant claim i was here at the beginning.
― plax (ico), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link
This thread isn't about indie guilt.
The only real difference with "indie dudes" vis a vis dudes of any other genre is that indie dudes are confident they know what the best thing is in every genre. That's not because of "razed earth frission" or "year zero narratives" really (though sometimes it can involve those things), it's because the indie sensibility is much less tenuously tied to any particular sound or style.
Also "indie kids" and "critical discourse" are so overlapping as to be almost interchangeable.
Which is why this thread can function, whereas it'd be a lot harder to talk about "records that were light years better than the ones hip hop dudes eventually endorsed as classics" - if there is a rap canon of rock classics it's certainly much less well-known and much less widely articulated and disseminated.
― Tim F, Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm not really peeved and have nothing against you personally, whiney, but this thread is a snub, straight up. worse, there's a smugness about its positioning, re: "indie dudes." plus it's such an easy and tired target. make a parallel thread about rock records that hip hop heads were comically late in catching onto. that's be great.
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah if only rap critics were dominating the critical discourse
― url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link
that's seriously on some "start a WHITE HISTORY MONTH thread"
― url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:06 (thirteen years ago) link
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indie dudes are confident they know what the best thing is in every genre.
no. indie dudes are no more guilty of this than anyone else. and it's unnecessarily hostile to phrase it that way. i would say that indies are curious about, excited about and engaged with a bunch of different genres.
if indie tastes dominate the critical discourse, that's a legit issue, but there are better ways to address it.
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link
idk tim i disagree bc i think that it is about indie guilt because it comes from the place where guys are using their knowledge of other genres to 1-up other indie guys where going *outside* the genre and not staying w/n a lame latepass indie consensus is seen as being unhip. so staying w/n the indie canon of received info is not as authentic as going outside it.
― plax (ico), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:08 (thirteen years ago) link
u sound bhurt for sure
― *kl0p* (deej), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:09 (thirteen years ago) link
@Tim F yeah i was doing an uncharacteristic 'avoiding trolling bhurt indie heads' post
― *kl0p* (deej), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:10 (thirteen years ago) link
more than like "rap critics & indie critics have equal weight in the discourse" which obv i dont agree w/