ILXOR Listening Room - DJ my day

Also 50k seems way off. I know he needs to pay license and stuff but he could just copy the grooveshark model where they settle only with the labels that get in contact with them for a 50% share of the ad revenue (
http://artists.grooveshark.com/support/masters ). No need to go the micropayments route. And even then, this is way easier to do than grooveshark or spotify for the matter where the songs are always online for you to pick. In listening room as soon as the song gets streamed it dissapears from their users' hands.

I think he's just too paranoid and off reality to pull this sort of site. He needs real internet legal advice. Seems he only has notion of how it works and its completely off.

I mean this is how it should really work. Legal in the same way that youtube or grooveshark is legal. They are not responsible for the uploaded content and have to take it down if they receive a DMCA notice. Even then they work hard to stay legal and settle with the artists or labels before any DMCA:

We strongly suggest that you contact us at licensing (at) grooveshark (dot) com before filing a DMCA infringement claim. Grooveshark has an artists/label program to ensure that any owner of content will be compensated fairly for each time their content is played via Grooveshark. To be clear, as long as your infringement claim complies with the terms of the DMCA we will honor it, however we would much rather pay you than remove your content.

I don't know, it sounds less like paranoia and more like wanting to do the right thing. Which is honourable, but most likely to end in failure.

And yeah, it's a shame but I liked it for the 'fun and free' aspect - I don't really need the service, and won't pay for it.

There's a quirk to internet radio licensing: you have to prepay $500 in streaming fees for each "channel" your service provides, up to the first 100 channels.

I wonder how last.fm gets round this? I mean, presumably they are not paying $500 for every possible artist radio, user radio, neighbourhood radio, possible combination of tags radio... so there must be some other licensing models out there if you can argue your case.

Sort of feel Listening Room might have more luck if he tried to sell the model to last.fm or Spotify or someone similar but I guess you need to have a proven system and a proven fanbase in place and then sell it, otherwise they'll just go "hm, nah" and then maybe happen to implement something similar without you, maybe not.

(And you'd need to rejig it a bit to fit in with last.fm/Pandora-style licensing, which I guess only works on the guarantee that you can't fix what song will be played when, as above)

i agree with onimo and think he needs to find an investor rather than trying to put the weight of a young enterprise on the back of the audience.

I had no idea that many people were using it!!

Seems clear Abe just thought this thing up as a fun experiment and never expected to be in this situation. I fear that cobbling together a serious business plan at the last minute may not work out for him.

For all their shiny-interface Facebook-linking sins, the Mixapp guys seem to have thought things through and have a clear idea of where they want to get to (a buyout).

Spotify people: time for another collaborative playlist? I've added a few starter tracks...

http://open.spotify.com/user/miketd/playlist/1VYiyGaPHrDzTWeovieeAL

I miss Listening Room. So what're the ilxors who used to use it doing now? Using the one which needs a Facebook login? Using collaborative playlists on Spotify? None of the above?

i'm working.

Ha.

I know. So am I. That's why I miss it so much.

well, given that i'm blocked from FB and spotify during work hours, its back to my own archive for not-so random treats now.

For anyone who hasn't read it, this is Mixapp's explanation for using Facebook

Why do I have to log in with a Facebook account?

Requiring Facebook was ultimately an issue of limited resources on our part. We needed a way to integrate social networking functionality quickly and easily, and for the many, many people who use Facebook regularly, a Facebook-based account provided the functionality we needed with relatively little software development effort — so we see this as the best way to grow the MixApp community while we're getting off the ground.

To be sure, nothing is set in stone, and in the future we expect to integrate with Twitter, OpenID, OAuth, OpenSocial, and every other single sign on or social graph system with enough traction to make sense. However, given MixApp's friend-based nature this is a non-trivial development task compared to the simplicity of the Facebook-only setup, and for now we need to focus on more immediate goals.

If Facebook is a non-starter for you, we want you to know that we, too, have concerns about Facebook's attitude towards privacy and control, and we're looking forward to having the resources we need to give you a choice on this front. If you'd like to know when we have a non-Facebook login option, please let us know, and we'll shoot you an email when we do. Until then, we very much appreciate your patience as we try to get MixApp off the ground.

It really doesn't make much sense, as OpenID is just about the easiest thing to integrate into a site as exists on the web (most of the time it will just install itself as a plugin). They're clearly looking to monetize Mixapp and aligning themselves with Facebook users is the fastest way to get there.

Can't really blame them for looking to monetize Mixapp imo...the case of Listening Room shows what happens when you don't have any business plan.

abe fettig is like a name from a theodore dreiser novel, though i haven't read any of those

sort yr shit out sonnn

really do miss this

cool, new beta next week

sign up yall

need a twitter account for the beta. really easy to set up a dummy twitter account tho.

Signed up!

http://www.sport.co.uk/public/ph_signup_amirkhan_4.JPG

I'm there. Left this comment:

Seriously consider a payment system (or payment option) based not on micropayments, but on allowing users to "rent" access to a room for a day. Perhaps that day's sponsor would have the ability to post a headline (even headline graphic), drag-and-drop songs in the queue, or kick unwelcome guests.

why? you can start as many rooms as you want

Fettig wants to move to a micropayments system by users to pay broadcast royalties to stay legal, a bit like a coin-operated jukebox. I'm just pointing out that I'd be happy to throw a PayPal payment his way to sponsor a once-a-week ILXor shindig, rather than expect everyone present to scrounge for quarters to contribute.

At the moment though he's hoping to run the service off ads though: http://fettig.net/weblog/2011/02/09/good-news-for-listening-room/

idk

i don't know if we should be -- or are -- 'in it for the long haul' but a beta lisnin room that doesn't fuck up so much will do for the time being until some enterprising ppl rent serverspace in tajikistan and write a decent gui

the ilxor room was anything goes, nobody was abusing it afaict.....i'd rather go to a separate room for noisy arcana that throw $5 at it so tuomas has to listen to florian hecker for twenty minutes

http://blissout.blogspot.com/2006_06_01_blissout_archive.html#114962055324130149

that=than

I liked the unpredictable all-inclusive aspect of ILXOR, though obv if you want to throw on your hour-long Merzbow odysseys you need something like tbrr (and it facilitates two-rooms-at-once awesomeness).

right

i like most of sanpaku's stuff

the idea of buying privileges works on slsk because it isn't seen to diminish the rights of nonpayers

The "features" I suggested weren't so much for the ILX community, as we seem open-minded. Just ideas that might make a payment system viable in general if ad sponsorship (hooray) doesn't pay the bills. A turntable dictator would find herself playing to an empty room...

just spent an hour talking with abe
the new beta launches sometime next week
sounds like he's got lots of good ideas and directions for Listening Room and he's aiming at keeping the service scalable and legal and up for the long haul
pretty excited.

Couldn't you guys do this with a program like go-to-meeting or something?

ffs

cmon fettig

# There are a couple of issues holding up the LR beta. Won't be too much longer though. Thanks for your patience everyone! about 12 hours ago via web

# Working late on Listening Room tonight, getting ready to start the beta tomorrow. It's going to feel great to having people using LR again. 12:00 AM Feb 23rd via web

wtf come on abe!

just spoke with him yesterday; it's coming and it's coming shortly.

Yeah c'mon Fettig if that is indeed yr real name you ingenious bastard.

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It's up, but you have to sign in with your twitter account now I guess? Not sure what they do if you don't have a twitter account.

http://listeningroom.net/room/ILXOR

http://meowcheese.com/files/lolpics/2008/04/yay-its-caturday.jpg

Buggy as hell right now. Didn't notice that when I was the only one in the room, but if several people are playing songs it becomes problematic.

Oh man, it's as buggy as all shit. It seems at the moment if you load a track it will start playing then when the next track in line is finished uploading it starts playing right away instead of queueing.

Oh hey :) XP

messing with this now; same issues y'all are having. but join me if you can
http://listeningroom.net/room/ILXOR/#

except now it doesn't seem to be working at all.

Not much going on at the moment? I guess it's for the best - I really ought to be working...

It may be up.

I've played 3 songs in a row without too many glitches.

http://listeningroom.net/room/ILXOR/

Well, maybe not. Seems to be hanging on uploads still.

So you have to have "Twitter" account to log in now? Why can't these sites just have their own login instead of forcing you to register to some other site?

Because cross-site logins are the wave of the future!

(Actually, it's just an easy way to target advertising.)