ILM'S TOP 77 TRACKS of 2010

& yeah i do think that triple grocery bagging is novel in a way that transcends the second grade-level construction of your typical grocery bagging into something that's like borderline impressionist

eminem????????????????????

― wee-based god (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, January 25, 2011 4:25 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

u were young when he first hit (lol) but he used to sound fun as hell

u were young when he first hit

Oh god, all the sudden I feel 90 years old.

imo grocery bag isnt an inherently bad technique, every rapper slips them in, its the idea that an entire rapper's career can ride that gimmick that makes it unbearable (im starting to wish Drake would stick w/ that instead of the postmodern 'slow burners' hes been into since ... SQUARE ROOT OF BLOWJOBS

lol JF http://www.facebook.com/pages/If-you-lovedknew-Eminem-before-not-afraid-or-love-the-way-you-lie/153893614638489

nicki on that song doesn't remind me as much of drake anymore as like something in the spirit of the most obtuse mystikal flows or something

& yeah i do think that triple grocery bagging is novel in a way that transcends the second grade-level construction of your typical grocery bagging into something that's like borderline impressionist

yeah - stacking mumbling/cackling/panicking on top of each other like that gives it a real lunatic asylum feel, then shunting the action so unexpectedly into religious territory with overseas/church/vatican lends it an extra sinister edge - like nicki's playing the demons in her foes' heads

dude eminem broke when i was 12 -- who the fuck you think was buying his shit?

tho i'll admit to being ignorant of moby circa "without me" outside of his mtv cribs

eminem has seemed p corny to me since white america

imo grocery bag isnt an inherently bad technique, every rapper slips them in

i don't even know you guys anymore

xp lol used to sing that song when I worked in a deli slicing white American cheese

well i don't agree w/ that at all

it's an inherently shitty technique

eminem needs to become dreaminem

there's a Recoil track from 1992 that has Moby rapping on it

it is more listenable than a lot of stuff on this poll so far.

i disagree that in isolated instances it doesnt work on occasion

ryan leslie is a perfect example of someone who makes a grocery bag punchline work 4 him

i'd say that grocery bagging works one out of every ten times (being generous here) & doing anything correctly 10% of the time is inherently shitty & would get you fired from every job (aka gudda gudda you are the weakest link goodbye)

eminem's verse is terrible & he sounds like a creep on that track

its not his 'technique' that is at issue whiney. if it were, then his most recent album would be aoty quality

― challopian youtubes (deej), Tuesday, January 25, 2011 2:19 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

deej otm here. of course em's shit is clever and insanely tight, because he's always been great that way. but the tone and persona are unpleasant, and his style fucks the track up wr2 what i actually like about it (i.e., nicki, whose shit is head-spinning even if it does lean on punchlines). there's a difference between appreciating someone's rapping skills and appreciating their contribution to a piece of music in other respects. with em, i do the former here, not so much the latter.

i also find his voice really harsh and unpleasant to listen to

that angry rasp on his voice is just unpleasant, minaj sounds like shes having fun ... dont get me wrong, i totally prefer em's rhyme construction but he & her are tonedeaf matches

How is Eminem on Roman's Revenge creepy and unpleasant and sexist and terrible but ILX is bending over backwards for fucking Earl Sweatshirt

that rhetorical trick is what i like to call a classic whiney

earl sweatshirt is making a song where 'creepy' is the point

plus earl sounds good. pop is mostly about that.

i mean, like old eminem, earl usually sounds like he's having fun

Eminem is great on Roman's Revenge. He's unpleasant and creepy on his latest album, trying to be sincere and emotional.

I HEAR THE MUMBLIN / I HEAR THE CACKLIN
I GOT EM SCARED / SHOOK / PANICKIN
OVERSEAS / CHURCH / VATICAN

It took Lex helpfully writing it out in full upthread for me to get that Nicki is saying her enemies need to seek sanctuary from her. How did I miss this before.

so much genius in the enormous swaths of whitespace she leaves all over everything

i think she's saying that she got demons make the pope shit

so much genius in the enormous swaths of whitespace she leaves all over everything

jesus, dude. ain't gotta be "genius" to be fun to listen to.

filling space =/= genius

Actually that makes even more sense.

I always thought the line was kinda random.

I'm so dumb.

difference is in tone, whiney...the tone in eminem's raps these days are pretty much desperately, hysterically overbearing...directly opposed to E. Sweatshirt's tone which has a youthful, boastful, almost lighthearted quality that amps up the giddiness of his complicated flows and adds an extra frisson to his creepy subject matter...

i just hear dope rapping from two dudes that like to make jokes about stabbing people \O_o/

Em's new shit sounds to me like he really fucked up how his brain works with all those drugs -- the "technique" is there in some sense with all the internal rhymes, but he's lost all sense of how people talk or how natural and relaxed he used to sound on record, he's just this constant hectoring, repetitive irritant.

yeah thats a good point too

^yeah, in some ways, it's almost punk rock

in other ways, it definitely makes you an unwelcome addition to any random Nicki Minaj song

but he's lost all sense of how people talk or how natural and relaxed he used to sound on record, he's just this constant hectoring, repetitive irritant.

are you still talking about deej/whiney beef?

xxxxpost

I like the album because it reminds me of late 80s New Order and Pet Shop Boys, it's got their best songwriting, it's got an emotional warmth they've rarely achieved before,

― I've been dancing since 9 and I'm tired and hungry (Dorianlynskey)

I completely agree with this, I really think they have it in them to make an album as good as Very of technique. The latest album was the sound of them becoming a really great band.

Can i also just add I had never heard of Javiera Mena before this list but I have fallen in love with that song, that would have easily made my list if I'd heard it before. I'm really excited about hearing her album now.

are you still talking about deej/whiney beef?

― when the president talks to based god (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, January 25, 2011 4:57 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

look, i did a lot of drugs

deej/whiney beef could benefit from more internal rhyme schemes.

LOL OTM

the "technique" is there in some sense with all the internal rhymes, but he's lost all sense of how people talk or how natural and relaxed he used to sound on record, he's just this constant hectoring, repetitive irritant.

this. almost hate to see it put so bluntly, but yeah. i may be in the minority in agreeing with this, cuz sure, he's still making hits, but i haven't liked anything i've heard lately, off remedy or elsewhere. and i used to be a fan.

I'm really excited about hearing her album now.

Hear her first one too.

deej/whiney beef could benefit from more internal rhyme schemes.

― Tim F, Tuesday, January 25, 2011 5:02 PM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

prefer grocery bags

i'd challenge deej to a dis rap, but i'd have to 8 Mile my way out of all the subway/drowing stuff first

thing about eminem is that his style was really well suited to his youth and the exuberant giddiness of his persona back in the day. he rapped like kids think, like a goofy kid brother all gooned out on froot loops. the same style doesn't suit the angry, bitter-seeming man he's become. like what if weird all had turned into a rage-venting ex-junkie with a massive chip on his shoulder? would anyone want to hear his wacky pop send-ups?

I'm really excited about hearing her album now.

Hear her first one too.

― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, January 25, 2011 11:02 PM

Yeah I was just looking into her albums, are they actually available to buy anywhere? It doesn't look like the latest one actually came out on CD or vinyl at all.

i think "weird all" was supposed to have fewer letters in it

Not sure where you live (sorry), but they're both in the amazon (US) mp3 store. xp