i mean, i guess that music nerd niche is a really broad one -- young ppl w/ hip taste but not like music nerds per se
― challopian youtubes (deej), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link
attn: there's some eno warm jets type shit going on in the instrumental right now
― ullr saves (gbx), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 18:46 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm pretty sure that a guy who did an album entirely using MIDI instrumentation is pretty comfortable intentionally exploring notions of cheesiness and corniness.
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 18:49 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm listening to destroyer for the very first time right now. really nice, although dude's voice is the part i like the least. definitely makes me think indie steely dan...anyone know who's on sax?
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 18:51 (thirteen years ago) link
this is sort of a cross-point w/ my post about gayngs on the countdown thread but i basically agree w/ gbx, im just trying to say that there are lots of people outside of music nerds who wouldnt think of this LP as being 'bad-cheesy'
― challopian youtubes (deej), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 18:52 (thirteen years ago) link
n/a: yup, which is why i think m@tt was otm w/this:
In it’s own way, it’s as aggressive in its aesthetic as any noise record
the vaseline-on-lens sound (if that makes sense) seems almost purposefully uncool/challenging, at least superficially.
deej: totally agree with that, fwiw. i just think it's a little myopic to assume (not that yr doing this!) that this will have universal appeal. you kinda have to be willing to wade into the cheese. maybe not if yr an older dude/dad who has always loved this stuff, and not if yr a nerd who has investigated lots of different genres/eras, but i think for younger indie types everything about this record is just flat-out rong and whack.
― ullr saves (gbx), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 18:57 (thirteen years ago) link
yah i mean i think it made sense for mark r to address it for pfork, but i thought it was a lil presumptive in the ny times
― challopian youtubes (deej), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 19:03 (thirteen years ago) link
need gbx to liveblog the instrumental tbh
― in my room, redefining the meaning of black crowes (Edward III), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
done with it already, circling back to the beginning tbh
― ullr saves (gbx), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 19:19 (thirteen years ago) link
I, too, publicly endorse this record.― Moka, Tuesday, January 25, 2011 7:46 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalinkbut I know I could never play it to my real friends.― Moka, Tuesday, January 25, 2011 7:46 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
― Moka, Tuesday, January 25, 2011 7:46 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
but I know I could never play it to my real friends.
― Moka, Tuesday, January 25, 2011 7:46 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
I sent a message in a bottle to the press. It said: "don’t be ashamed or disgusted with yourselves."I’ve thumbed through the books on your shelves.
― gr8080, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link
I’ve thumbed through the books on your shelves.
― wow...... hmmm.... crazy...... damn….. (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link
she'd hear the smooth saxophone and immediately go "kenny g, barf"
hell that's pretty much my reaction to the sax and I like the record. and post regularly on balearic threads. I don't think it's a stretch to say parts of this code as cheesy. anyway I guess no one's arguing that anymore. :)
― dmr, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 20:48 (thirteen years ago) link
so how is the ambient piece? I'm kind of disappointed that Bay of Pigs won't be making it onto the vinyl
― Dan S, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 23:39 (thirteen years ago) link
^ really? i think that's great news--i don't like Bay of Pigs.
― nerve_pylon, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 23:47 (thirteen years ago) link
it's got that swiiiiiiiing
― gr8080, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 23:50 (thirteen years ago) link
oh wait, Bay of Pigs is side 4 of the vinyl.
― nerve_pylon, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 23:51 (thirteen years ago) link
interestingdiscogs has it as "Bay of Pigs (Detail)". the pitchfork review mentions that an ambient piece was substituted for BoP on the vinyl
― Dan S, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 23:54 (thirteen years ago) link
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070724053832/simpsons/images/thumb/7/73/Drive_in.png/495px-Drive_in.png
― you think you're cool, but you read ick (Phil D.), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 23:58 (thirteen years ago) link
oh great, i shelled out for the vinyl just for the side 4 vinyl only track which turns out to be Bay of Pigs...
― Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:23 (thirteen years ago) link
um
― ullr saves (gbx), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:24 (thirteen years ago) link
isn't the instrumental piece vinyl-only, too?
just listened to some clips... can't say I'm really drawn to it. as pastiche it seems a bit too straight/faithful to its sources and the one thing that sticks out as unusual/out of place is 9as noted by others) his voice. which is terrible.
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:30 (thirteen years ago) link
This is not pastiche.
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:33 (thirteen years ago) link
yr right, pastiche implies disparate elements - this is more like an homage I guess
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:33 (thirteen years ago) link
dunno if I'm gonna make it through all the songs tbh kinda wanna turn it off already and just listen to Katy Lied instead
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Listen to "Downtown."
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:35 (thirteen years ago) link
the sleeve is great, I'll give him that.
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:37 (thirteen years ago) link
this doesnt sound close enough to 'katy lied' (or anything else really) to be 'pastiche' ... its using certain instruments & production styles but doesnt sound structurally like the stuff ppl are comparing it to, like, at all
― challopian youtubes (deej), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:40 (thirteen years ago) link
certainly way too freeform to be steely dan esque
that's kinda what I don't like about it! Steely Dan had HOOKS and (at least up until Aja/Gaucho) some pretty weird/twisty song structures. this stuff just kinda floats along on two-chord changes and a lot of washed out textures - trying hard to be Babylon Sisters but lacking the chops
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:43 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont know babylon sisters but uhhh being freeform is the point, its not 'about' hooks
― challopian youtubes (deej), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:45 (thirteen years ago) link
dude I am agreeing with you
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:45 (thirteen years ago) link
re: Babylon Sisters - this is the opening track on Gaucho, the Dan's last album. it is noteworthy - sorta - for signalling a shift away from the complex structures and chordal interplay that were the band's usual stock in trade and toward a more free-form, groove-centered approach. even so, it has more changes/tonal shadings than this Destroyer stuff. even tho the underlying chord structure is simple, there are a whole bunch of melodies and weird harmonies and turnarounds in it. which don't really seem to be evident in Kaputt afaict.
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:49 (thirteen years ago) link
so maybe it's a bad comparison
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:49 (thirteen years ago) link
It only signaled what SD would do on that song! Have you heard Gaucho? The tile track, "Time Out of Mind," "Third World Man," "Hey Nineteen" -- lots of complex chordal interplay, and TIGHT.
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:50 (thirteen years ago) link
xp to shakes
oops, sorry, there is a vinyl-only track.
― Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:50 (thirteen years ago) link
eh, whatever. imho Kaputt cops the sound and the texture of late period Steely Dan, but doesn't bother with the song structures and hooks and uber-session musician chops. which is, I think, what deej was saying.
xp
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:51 (thirteen years ago) link
this is all correct. sorry if I implied otherwise that wasn't really my intention. I just ref'd Babylon Sisters cuz it seemed most analogous to what Kaputt is going for, except even Babylon Sisters has more going on in it than most of these Kaputt songs do.
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:53 (thirteen years ago) link
or is it more that you just take issue with my casual summation that late period Dan is more free-form/groove-centered than their earlier stuff...? I guess that's arguable (Do It Again has what, three chords?).
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 00:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, everything you've said really: about Steely Dan, their applicability to what Bejar's attempting, and Kaputt itself. I'm not going to offer a full review yet, but I hear very little Steely Dan here: it's closer to what a lot of Bejar's English faves from eighties, inspired by the Dan, attempted.
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 01:00 (thirteen years ago) link
*from the eighties
English faves: Scritti Politti, China Crisis (produced by Walter Becker, of course), Prefab Sprout.
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 01:05 (thirteen years ago) link
it's really weird how you guys feel the need to compare/contrast this with steely dan so much
― gr8080, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 01:07 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, stop that before you ruin it for me.
― kate78, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 01:08 (thirteen years ago) link
"Complex" chords = "Steely Dan" for lots of people I know. It's not like they were the only band to play them.
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 01:12 (thirteen years ago) link
shakey at least listen to the record first
― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 01:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Shakey it's not about the number of chords it's about the tertial harmonies
― ARP 2600 vs. Atari 2600 (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 01:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Also, blehhhhhhh
― ARP 2600 vs. Atari 2600 (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 01:36 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFUdMbYpPEs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8-m_tMw36A
― gr8080, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 01:44 (thirteen years ago) link
lol those sound nothing alike
― challopian youtubes (deej), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 01:49 (thirteen years ago) link