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the last pink single was a bit dfa, a tiny bit. er was it?

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 28 August 2003 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)

It sounded like the Fantasma-era Cornelius record Beck desperately wanted to make (cf. 'Milk and Honey' and in the same way the meat of that rekkid wanted to do Prince).

― Barima (Barima), Thursday, 28 August 2003 14:12 (twenty-two years ago)

barima, i think i saw you talking to luke at the signing table. i was in a black top/white earrings, standing with trevor for much of the event.
if you describe how the mp3 sounds a bit more, i might be able to i.d. it for you.

― lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 28 August 2003 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

i have three distinct versions:

the echoes version
the insound version
the 12" a-side single version

(then the mixes:)
the 12" b-side morgan geist mix
the musik disco punk version
the playgroup dj kicks version
the colette no 4 version

i think i know the version that barima is talking about though... it's the insound tour support EP version.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 28 August 2003 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Was the Cosmos one for the UK release or something? The Geist mix is magic.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 28 August 2003 17:13 (twenty-two years ago)

how different are the non-remix versions?

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 28 August 2003 22:38 (twenty-two years ago)

the last pink single was a bit dfa

Heh, DFA's the label, innit?

― hstencil, Thursday, 28 August 2003 22:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't get it!

The non-remix version I heard had tinnier higher pitched percussion after the "shakedooooown" part, that's as much difference as I noted.

I am enjoying the Cosmos remix alot, it's not better than the original and there's not alot of point to remixing HOTJL but it's still cool.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 29 August 2003 08:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey lauren, think I remember you too. I'm away from the mp3 right now, people, but gygax seems to be closest to an ID. Basically, this version is 5.58 mins long, the guitar riffs that sound a little like rave synth stabs form the intro then carry on as a drumbeat (actual, not programmed) comes in 4 or 8 bars later (can't really remember) then the other elements (cowbell, bass riff etc) come in-I think the new intro and a slightly different mix are what makes this a new one. I think the housey breakbeat is either fairly muted or doesn't appear b/c I can't fully remember it being there.

I wasn't so into the remixes-I think Geist just about covered it all, though Middleton gave a good stab.

― Barima (Barima), Friday, 29 August 2003 09:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Britney supposedly recorded something w/James Murphy but "her label wouldn't let her release it" though that's probably completely made up

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:03 (twenty-two years ago)

it's true - britney did go into the studio with james and tim for an afternoon.

― lauren (laurenp), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:14 (twenty-two years ago)

barima-

that is the version from the insound tour support EP.

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:19 (twenty-two years ago)

has anyone heard the ends remix of "killing"? that and alabama sunshine are my two current rapture favorites.

― lauren (laurenp), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:25 (twenty-two years ago)

who is "the rapture"?

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 29 August 2003 14:18 (twenty-two years ago)

am i the only one who thinks "Like I Love You" is the bizzaro HOJL?

― fcussen (Burger), Friday, 29 August 2003 14:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Heh heh heh.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 August 2003 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

i say we start calling them the ratpure anyway.

― glenny g2003 (glenny g2003), Saturday, 30 August 2003 08:25 (twenty-two years ago)

has anyone heard the ends remix of "killing"?

When you say the ends, are you refferring to "are you really from the ends" ends?

― T. Weiss (Timmy), Saturday, 30 August 2003 08:52 (twenty-two years ago)

yup.

― lauren (laurenp), Saturday, 30 August 2003 12:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Mystery solved.

I'm gonna give the 'Killing' rmx another listen. There was some potential buffness there, but why it ain't on vinyl anyway mystifies.

― Barima (Barima), Saturday, 30 August 2003 13:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Argh. Anyone from the States managed to register on the UK site (to hear the full tracks)?

It's stuck on "processing" permanenty.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 31 August 2003 21:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Gang of Four - Check.
A Certain Ration - Check.
One Step Beyond - Hang on, who put that in here?

― mark grout, Monday, 1 September 2003 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't for the life of me like the Rapture. I sort of assumed I would (but they are postpunky! but they have foxy percussion!), that I was just waiting for my love for them to kick in, a few more listens to HOJL and 'out of the races...' and it would All Make Sense. Caught them at Reading and blamed my lack of interest on the fact that I ws half-asleep at the time; caught them at the FOPP instore and realised that no, really, they just do not appeal. Except 'I need your love', is it called? With the keyboards: yes.

They just seem to have so many songs based on the same, rather staid, four-four tempo, with negligible verses above and fairly basic rhythms below. I guess it doesn't help that I think the singer's weak (perhaps there are two? the yelpy one and the one I barely notice?) and am not too fond of the DFA's production. But I'm left still feeling like I'm missing out on something: I should by rights like them and yet I can't work out what's likeable about them at all.

― cis (cis), Monday, 1 September 2003 18:20 (twenty-two years ago)

have you heard the album yet?

― gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 1 September 2003 18:25 (twenty-two years ago)

(if not, reserve judgement.)

― gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 1 September 2003 18:26 (twenty-two years ago)

But, but, I don't want to get the album if I'm not going to like it!

― cis (cis), Monday, 1 September 2003 18:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Then wait patiently.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 1 September 2003 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)

ok i heard the album and i think the programming is cheesy the vocals are slightly forced and one song sounds just like a david bowie song other then that its pretty good

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 1 September 2003 18:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't really liked them that much on record, or at least not compared to how much I like them in a hyped up club gig setting. I've got a ticket to see them again next month yay. I haven't heard the new album yet.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 1 September 2003 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)

But the Bowie song is great, chaki!!

I'm relatively young, so this is the first time I've ever really had the "if I wanted ______ I'd just listen to ______". I mean, I like the new album, but I never feel the need to listen to it beyond "House of Jealous Lovers", "Killing" and "Open Up Your Heart" when i'm really in the mood. The feeling's new to me, so I don't quite know how to articulate it yet, but... Dude, it's just like gang of 4 (or whatever)!!

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Monday, 1 September 2003 20:13 (twenty-two years ago)

That being said, I think HOJL is the best/most important indie single of the decade so far. There was a local gig in my small town where my brother's dancey math punk band played after some shitty local punk/hardcore bands, and they picked the music played in between sets (which is to say my brother played the dance-punk stuff i recommended him - james chance, radio 4, lcd soundsystem, etc.) The first time HOJL came on most of them reacted "what is this thump thump shit?" until the guitar/vocals came in. The CD cycled a couple times that night and by the end they were all dancing and singing along -- all these punk/emo/hardcore kids. Point being: it really did change some minds, and as someone who's been trying to start a disco band with all the wrong people for years now, that means a lot to me.

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Monday, 1 September 2003 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

N was it a small club?

Cos I saw them in a tiny room at Tribal Gathering and they were the best rock act I've ever seen in my life, in whatever sense they're a rock act. It was psychotic, they looked the part more than anyone I've ever seen, felt like the beginning of an era.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 1 September 2003 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, it was at Optimo (sub club). So not tiny, but the shape and nature of the place made it feel smaller. I worry that it won't be nearly as good at the QMU.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 1 September 2003 20:32 (twenty-two years ago)

LCD Soundsystem a month or so later was even better, if anything.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 1 September 2003 20:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I have to leave like now so I'm only going to say: Cher.

― E (ebb), Monday, 1 September 2003 21:52 (twenty-two years ago)

As in, I'd just giddily downloaded all of Echoes and then talked to a friend who'd just seen them and he was all "Cher." Of all the comparisons, it's the faintest, but it sticks, somehow, and it's not Sonny-and-Cher Cher or Mask Cher or even asspants Cher but autotuned "Do you buh-leeee-uvvvvv in life after love" Cher that I imagine covering "Olio" or "Sister Savior" or "I Need Your Love" while the band backs her, kinda like when Puffy and Sting did the VMAs that one year, except reverse.

― E. (ebb), Monday, 1 September 2003 23:43 (twenty-two years ago)

has anyone posted the video yet?

http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/universalmotown/universal/therapture/video/00_thehouseofjealouslovers.asx

― teeny (teeny), Friday, 5 September 2003 19:30 (twenty-two years ago)

nice video.

― hstencil, Friday, 5 September 2003 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I suspect I may have been wrong about them. Granted, they were a load of horrible cacophonous squawking at Glasto, but on first listening the album is GREBT*.

Well, the first half of the album, at any rate. I don't know about the 2nd half, because I haven't been able to stop playing I Need Your Love. Also, I really didn't expect Open Up Your Heart... it's gorgeous.

*This sentence was bought to you by the Campaign For The Rehabilitation of Past-It ILX Slang

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 8 September 2003 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Matt I knew you'd see sense.

I am kind of burnt out on the album cos I played it to death when I got it. That said I'd go and see them live in a second. Many many more times. Are you sure they didn't fall victim to the Sunday Glasto effect Matt?

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 8 September 2003 14:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Haven't heard em but I love the name.

― Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Monday, 8 September 2003 22:36 (twenty-two years ago)

did this hit stores today or what?

― teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 14:35 (twenty-two years ago)

that video is like genetically engineered to fit the ratpure to a t; you could reconstitute the band cargo-cult style just from looking at it.

― etc, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 15:29 (twenty-two years ago)

u.k. release was today. u.s. cd release is october 21, but dfa is putting out the vinyl on sept. 30th.
i just heard the blackstrobe remix of 'sister saviour.' it is totally radical.

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 21:35 (twenty-two years ago)

i listened to this four times today. it still sounds good, if less flattening than in that first week or so.

― gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 07:24 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't think i could listen to the same album 4 times in one day(altho i've come close with Kish Kash lately), but i just wanna add that i listened to 'Sister Saviour' whilst coming back from the FAP last night and it was one of THOSE moments - great great track

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 08:29 (twenty-two years ago)

i listened to other stuff in between each time.

― gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 08:30 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't think i could listen to the same album 4 times in one day
Back when I still obsessed over music, I once put Rumours on ALL DAY LONG (until the stereo passed out).

― nathalie (nathalie), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 08:56 (twenty-two years ago)

black strobe mix of sister saviour!! why do you mock me!

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 09:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I imagine them turning the opening guitars into Black Strobe trademark French chime noises like in the Number One remix.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 09:10 (twenty-two years ago)

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