Lily Allen - This summers biggest racist?

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well I still like her, so poo

― Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:14 (twenty years ago)

oh. i sooo know this is a time limited album. but until then ..

― mark e (mark e), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:18 (twenty years ago)

I don't get why she's getting New Yorker coverage.

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:21 (twenty years ago)

well I still like her, so poo

Good for you! She just reminds me of the Britpop novelty song era, i.e. fun at the pub the first few times, then a precipitous drop into being grating for the rest of time.

Her lyrics aren't that good though, are they? Sort of generic rhyming-dictionary stuff you'd knock out during a boring history lesson.

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:27 (twenty years ago)

you can enjoy the music without liking *her*. i really like "Knock Em Out" as a clever, snarky song but if i heard some girl moaning about men constantly hitting on her, only decorum would keep me from offering her a delicious knuckle sandwich.

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:30 (twenty years ago)

ILM smokes crack.

― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:31 (twenty years ago)

chuck check yr gmail

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:32 (twenty years ago)

uh, why is a girl complaining about getting hit on so enraging?

― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:32 (twenty years ago)

misplaced jealousy for the easy access to casual sex of females i think.

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:36 (twenty years ago)

.. of good looking ones, I guess. Where's Calumn for a quite thesedays?

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:37 (twenty years ago)

The actual experience of being hit on by any drunken middle aged person in sight being less appealing than might be imagined if the sexes were reversed...

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:38 (twenty years ago)

not enraging per se, please to exaggerate for comic effect. but cmon, IRL complaining about men offering to light your cigarette when you're fumbling to find your lighter in your handbag? how is that in any way intrusive? also telling people that they can't have your number because you've lost your phone = obnoxious. it's cute in the song, but people who actually complain about this are k-dud in real life.

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:42 (twenty years ago)

"i've had LDN going round in my head all day although i suspect that i'm one of the people that tim would say "likes pop in the wrong way" whatever the hell that's supposed to mean. "

Jed I was quoting cispontine:

"Lex won't like it, people who like pop in 'the wrong way' like it and she actually admits to being quite indie despite being a girl which as we all know makes her a GENDER TRAITOR. ;)"

I think it's supposed to mean people who only like pop when it earns indie cred points and distances itself from its own popness - hence me arguing that if this line applies to Lily it applies doubly so to M.I.A.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 1 June 2006 22:28 (twenty years ago)

"telling people that they can't have your number because you've lost your phone = obnoxious"

I would say that this is pretty normal behaviour for any girl getting hit on by someone they don't wanna be hit on by. It causes less trouble than saying "no"

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 1 June 2006 22:33 (twenty years ago)

man, that song, "LDN". that is evil. pure pop evil. i loves it.

― Emily B (Emily B), Thursday, 1 June 2006 22:38 (twenty years ago)

Not enough backlash, not enough pictures.

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Thursday, 1 June 2006 22:40 (twenty years ago)

ah tim, i see. thanks for the clarification despite my grumpy post.

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 1 June 2006 22:50 (twenty years ago)

The bottom line is her songs are just nothing special and she will be forgotten quickly.

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 1 June 2006 23:39 (twenty years ago)

I can't help but feel that if ILM had existed in the late 80s it would be saying the same about, say, Betty Boo! RIP ILM Popism!

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 1 June 2006 23:48 (twenty years ago)

But she has a great publicist. Is Keith Allen a big name in the U.K.?

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 1 June 2006 23:48 (twenty years ago)

I can't help but feel that if ILM had existed in the late 80s it would be saying the same about, say, Betty Boo!

mmm. or, say, kylie...

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 2 June 2006 00:00 (twenty years ago)

anyway i think what i like about lily a. -- and about m.i.a., for that matter -- is the easy conflation of europop, hip-hop, dancehall, grime, whatever else gets thrown in there (and in both cases this is obv. most evident on the mixtapes). it feels kinda cheap and tawdry in a global way, in a way that whatever usually gets called "world music" never achieves. it's the same spirit that's in the jay-z version of "beware of the boys," in a lot of bhangra pop i guess, in manu chao and his affiliates, etc. maybe possibly the reason this stuff seems more interesting to americans than britishers is that any kind of global (i.e. non-american) influence in pop music is welcome. (which is why, say, timbaland's bhangra excursions seemed so fresh -- it's like, some acknowledgment, however fleeting, of the rest of the world, right there on our radio -- exciting!)(not that i expect lily allen to be on my radio.)

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 2 June 2006 00:14 (twenty years ago)

The bottom line is her songs are just nothing special and she will be forgotten quickly.

Just like your posting. (BURRRRRRRRRRN)

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 2 June 2006 00:15 (twenty years ago)

I find "Smile" and "Alfie" to be rather special

― Paul (scifisoul), Friday, 2 June 2006 02:46 (twenty years ago)

So do I, if you mean the Brian Wilson album and the Burt Bacharach song.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 06:39 (twenty years ago)

That was an open net there.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 2 June 2006 06:59 (twenty years ago)

I completely agree with this re MIA - if only Lily Allen did the same, though. I'm aware that she's operating in much the same way, which is why I'm trying to avoid criticising her because the middle-class-brat-dissing-crack-whores but still fetishising London's griminess is extremely trying. But she's using completely different source material (despite the red herrings on the mixtape) - whereas I'm down with MIA magpieing over baile funk, grime, dancehall &c &c because I like all the primary sources, I'm not down with Allen resurrecting the lurching corpses of fucking ska and Britpop - in sound she's nowhere near what MIA does, and my objections to her are primarily sonic.

I can't remember whether I posted this upthread or somewhere else, but - you know how Lady Sovereign's singles have gone in this fairly steep downward trajectory from "ace and exciting and wow!" to "a bit boring and quite beneath her" to the point that she's now willingly collaborating with the Ordinary Boys? Lily Allen is what would happen if this trajectory continued for another couple of years.

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 2 June 2006 07:39 (twenty years ago)

(the whole "liking pop in the wrong way" is a bit of a red herring, it's the sort of thing I'm wildly inconsistent on anyway, and has nothing to do with why I dislike Allen's music - however I think a lot of the hype around her is phrased in ways I find uhhh dubious shall we say)

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 2 June 2006 07:41 (twenty years ago)

On the bright side, she'll probably win the Mercury Music Prize this year and that will kill her career stone dead.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 07:42 (twenty years ago)

I misread that as "kill her carer stone dead".

Which is a little severe...

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 2 June 2006 07:48 (twenty years ago)

I'm glad you guys are here to turn everything into sarcasm and "here's a 60 page thesis on why she's bad" type politics, but I still like her songs.

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 2 June 2006 07:51 (twenty years ago)

Write a 60-page thesis on why you like her songs.

(that's generous - if you were working on an Ang Lee film he'd make you do 75 pages!)

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 07:52 (twenty years ago)

"i don't like the way she sounds" != "politics"

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 2 June 2006 07:54 (twenty years ago)

Well, that was how Nazi Germany started.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 07:56 (twenty years ago)

Munich: "i don't like the way she sounds"
Hitler: "I AM NOT A SHE!!! RIGHT, GET ZER TANKS!!"

― freddie starr (mark grout), Friday, 2 June 2006 07:58 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, carry on :-)

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 2 June 2006 07:59 (twenty years ago)

you know how Lady Sovereign's singles have gone in this fairly steep downward trajectory from "ace and exciting and wow!" to "a bit boring and quite beneath her" to the point that she's now willingly collaborating with the Ordinary Boys? Lily Allen is what would happen if this trajectory continued for another couple of years.

-- The Lex (alex.macpherso...), June 2nd, 2006.

NEW CONTENT PLZ

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Friday, 2 June 2006 08:09 (twenty years ago)

Alex you know I have a lot of time for your opinions on music and will happily defer to you on most musical issues, so I hope you don't think I'm being unnecessarily contrary when I ask "where on earth is the Britpop in Lily Allen's music?"

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:04 (twenty years ago)

ethan youre so full of shit i saw your ras kass paper doll it was glued grinding up behind the one of t-rock

― karri miback (cruisy), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:20 (twenty years ago)

Well that's certainly an improvement on any of Lily Allen's lyrics.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:24 (twenty years ago)

Lex is to pop as George Galloway is to liberalism.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:31 (twenty years ago)

Lex is to pop as Geir is to rock.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:35 (twenty years ago)

Lex is to Pop as of all that suppression.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:44 (twenty years ago)

at the end of the day she's probably the most lex-y pop act ever, so of *course* he can't like her.

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:47 (twenty years ago)

Lex is to Pop as Pop was to U2.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:48 (twenty years ago)

I thought Lady Sovereign was collaborating with the Ordinary Boys out of record company desperation?

The Nipper's Betty Boo point makes no sense other than the fact they are both girls who make summery pop music, and the argument doesn't really wash given the rabid Girls Aloud love on here.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:00 (twenty years ago)

Lady Sovereign "collaborating" with the Ordinary Boys - probably at the point of a record company bayonet.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:02 (twenty years ago)

well i can imagine another Lily Allen track being a lot like 'Let Me Take You There'

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:04 (twenty years ago)

So those of us who already have the Four Tops Greatest Hits won't need to bother...

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:06 (twenty years ago)

Lily Allen is not pop she is indie. Lex is to indie what lions are to Christians.

I think Chuck Tatum hit it on the nail upthread when he likened Allen to a Britpop novelty act - that horrid jaunty ska beat, those chuggachugga guitars, the voice which is basically a female Allbran Mockney voice...

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:21 (twenty years ago)

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