I Confess : What sucks most about your musical tastes and attitudes ?

Eric Clapton recorded a cover version that was included on his album, 461 Ocean Boulevard. It is the most successful version of the song, peaking at #1 on the Billboard Hot 100, becoming Clapton's only chart-topping hit in the U.S.

"Ice Ice Baby" was the first hip hop single to top the Billboard charts. Topping the Australian, Dutch, Irish, Italian and UK charts, the song helped diversify hip hop by introducing it to a mainstream audience.

crut i think ur post at the top is p self-aware and funny btw

so many white people fair better at hip-hop and reggae than black people

o_O

well, commercially, this is often true. the white pop artists who adapt black-rooted genres (in moka's language) have often seemed to win attention and commercial success more easily than the black artists that inspired them. this seems to have been very true in the mid 20th century, up through the early hip hop era. perhaps it's less of a factor nowadays? dunno...

1. Overly sweet tooth when it comes to inane, bouncy chart pop. Gimme gimme gimme that Guettabeat!

2. Have lost the ability to appreciate hip-hop. I came to a grinding halt with it about 6 years ago. Whereas in the mid-to-late 80s, it formed a huge part of my listening diet.

3. Cannot form even the slightest connection with metal or opera. (What's the link there? Is it some sort of aversion to bombast?)

4. I give too easy a ride to pleasant background music.

5. Over-reliance on various 1970s comfort zones.

classic post chain upthread:

Thing is, most of my fears of suckage about my musical tastes are not about *musical* tastes at all (in which I am perfectly secure. I like what I like, I feel no pressure to like what I don't like.) but about more political things.

Because my parents were born in South Africa, I have this perpetual fear that I am a racist (because I was told so many times by PC American liberals that all South Africans are racist, therefore we must be racists by extension). And I fear that I cannot get into hip-hop or rap *because* I am a racist. I can actually get into white indie-boy (and girl) rap like the Beastie Boys, or Luscious Jackson, or Beck, but I can't get any further.

I suspect that it is more to do with the *texture* of rap and hip-hop, because I listen to music for texture and harmony, rather than than lyrics or melody. (Lyrics are probably *the* least important thing for me in the enjoyment of music, while they are probably *the* most important element, in fact that defining element, in rap.) When I heaar rap or hip hop that *is* "psychedelic" or textural or "stoner rap", (early De La Soul and Cypress Hill spring to mind as examples) it *does* stick to my ear and make me happy.

But still, I worry. Isn't it the most white, middle class, racist thing in the world, to *worry* about being a racist?

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That was a brave admission, Kate. This board could use more of that kind of thing.

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I fuck chickens.

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i get pissed when bands that were obscure or not hip suddenly get insanely popular and everyone likes them. I always feel like they were my little secret that i shared with a select few and now everyone knows about them.

I really like some artists that get seemingly zero appreciation here or from any other sources I respect and it makes me wonder if I'm crazy. Elliott Smith is an example.

seems odd. elliott smith is popular and gets (got) tons of critical respect. you mean only from the wrong sources?

My incuriosity.

my frequent laziness to follow up stuff I really like the sound of, a habit which Spotify has helped me shake :)

my occasional habit of leaping to judgement a teeeeeeeny bit too quickly and also biasing myself against certain musical acts

I'm pretty impatient with stuff that doesn't grab me immediately.

I have to *know* everything

getting over this

i tend to like a lot of stuff, but as a result i don't get deep enough into a lot of things, like i have shitloads of albums but with some exceptions not super deep collections of a lot of artists

I sometimes fail to listen to things because all the reviews are bad.

i'm just lazy. i have scattered lists of shit to get, things saved in emusic, notes stuck in my wallet, even stuff downloaded that i haven't played yet. and i never get around to it. i listen to music all the time, idgi

• I get intimidated by artists with huge discographies, especially when there's no critical consensus on which of their releases are strongest/most representative/most accessible. it's a lot more immediately satisfying to buy or download an artist's entire back catalogue when it consists of just a few albums than it is to ease into a prolific artist's oevre bit by bit, knowing that it will take a long time to digest.

• when I do try to get into an artist with a huge discography, I often seek out all of their critically acclaimed works but avoid works that are less highly rated or further removed chronologically from their artistic peak. I'm sure I miss out on some colorful, unjustly derided music because of this.

• I have a way of falling in love with certain artists, albums, or songs for a matter of months (or less) but abandoning them once I move on to other things. I still return to a lot of music I discovered five years ago (when my listening habits were less fickle), but there's a surprising amount of music I adored a year ago but have essentially forgotten.

• i like too much.

• it's only been over the past few years that i've begun to trust my own ears and taste enough.

I feel like a dilettante. I always have to some extent. I've never delved deeply into any one particular genre, never become an expert or specialist about one kind of music, be that jazz or techno or indierock or anything else. All the genres and styles and almost all the artists I like, I like really superficially, and sometimes I feel like this means I'm missing out on some kind of depth of experience. Then again, that depth of knowledge also strikes me as being really boring. Which. Guess is why I never bothered to acquire it about anything.

I don't see what's wrong with this attitude...? Listen -- and write well -- about what you like. Don't feel guilty.

one word: clueless.

my horrendous "taste" sucks all attitude OUT OF musiclife. ;_;

Most of the music I like best is depressing.

Can't stand "funny" music (TMBG and the like)

Also, really high voices bug me. Like Geddy Lee. Scoldy and screechy. Even Robert Plant.

you need to listen to Spike Jones. stat.

contenderizer- 2) i don't listen to music all the time. even now, while doing nothing but posting alone in my apartment, i'm not listening to anything. i don't want to. i prefer the silence.

I recognise this. Most of the time I can't read & listen to music.

Thing I find most frustrating is the low degree of overlap in taste I have w/ most of my friends. Partly me spending much more time on music generally & partly just different interests, but the music I go see & enjoy most is often stuff that is not peripheral to my taste but not core either, just because it's what I can persuade ppl/be persuaded to go to & obv going to shit alone or w/ patient but unenthusiastic is much less fun. But I'm used to it.

I also wish I cld improve my consumption of some stuff; certain shit w/ low UK presence I only really hear about online and my engagement is a bit patchy as a result.

With regards to some of the above posts:

a.) silence is the ultimate palette cleanser and should be utilized! If I find myself starting to feel a little burned out, a few days of no-music is the ultimate cure.

b.) I, too, often feel like a dilettante. But if you want to sample a shitload of new music while still at least occasionally enjoying your past favorites (not to mention having a life other than constantly listening to music nonstop), isn't that almost necessary? To some, maybe spending months exclusively checking out '50s bebop jazz records is more rewarding, but I find that tedious and boring.

I'll come up with my own shortcomings in taste later after thinking a bit (probably too many to list, tbh)...

This thread (poss. the oldest one I've ever seen) reminds me how irritating Marcello could be (when he wasn't OTM)(and when he wasn't posing as "Comstock Carbinieri")(that WAS him, wasn't it?)

Yup.

This is one of those ancient thread where I read it with a knot in my stomach, knowing some dumb statement I made might be lurking around the corner. There was also a period around this time where there was another plain "Mark" I think-- is that possible? I'm almost certain that during some early switchover you could have the same display name as someone else, but I never monkeyed with it. I think that's when I went to MarkR for a while.

This is a good old thread.

I'm actually ok with my musical tastes, I like what I like, but...There are a few artists that I discovered in my youth that, while great, I overrate way out of proportion. I have a distorted image of the post punk music of the mid to late 80s as being the greatest music ever made, bar none. I suppose old hippies who still go on and on about Woodstock are the same way.

I tend to fixate on artists I really like, and play them exclusively, really get to know their
discography, until I burn myself out on their music permanently and I'm not able to listen to
them again.

I tend to focus on new music that has just been released or even leaked. I am anal about stay
ing current with the latest music, but I feel like I only have a surface level acquaintance wi
th new releases as I often only listen to the singles off an album, or skim the album once the
n only listen to a few tracks. I feel like I'm missing out on a lot of rewarding 'deep album
cuts', but everytime I try to listen to newer albums all the way through I get bored and go ba
ck to my iPod shuffle of singles, it's like I have ADD.

I have a very minimal knowledge of Jazz and Classical, despite owning a fairly extensive colle
ction of Jazz and Classical albums. I'm just too lazy to devote any time to close listening (see above). I also can't get into Blues, most old Folk, Country, and Dub Reggae. When I talk to real music obsessive fans like on this board, I often feel like my exposure to a lot of canonical works is very incomplete, and I'm only able to identify famous names. Like
I know that Dylan, Leonard Cohen, Eno, etc. have extensive catalogs of classic works but I ju
st can't be bothered, because I get a more immediate sugar fix via my iPod shuffle of 80's pos
t punk and current Top 40 mashups.

I think I have fairly good taste overall, however as with probably a fair few ilxors, I'm a dilletante and a jack of all trades.

I'm as comfortable or uncomfortable chatting about house as I am post-punk, but sometimes I wish I had a deep knowledge of one particular style, particularly dance music which I enjoy but in which I don't have any particular specialisms.

Strangely now I come to think of it, the only style of which I have close to a deep knowledge is reggae, but it's such a big sphere that I think I only scrape the surface in the grander scheme of things.

Haha, reading upthread it seems "dilletante" is the mot du jour ITT.

My pop/hiphop/r'n'b tastes have widened. Whereas I used to despise most pop, not understand r'n'b and new hiphop alienated me, thanks to ILX polls I'm coming round to all three.

I used to find hiphop frustrating because I felt it needed a lot of attention paid to the lyrics, which isn't always practical if you're reading or something.

Conversely another thing that frustrates me about the music I listen to, is it's getting more accessible. This is down to living in closer proximity to people than before. I can't exactly blast Deicide all day long without complaints.

Not interested in new music. Actually, that's not true, I love the new stuff which I get largely from polls on here or, um, from shazaming when I'm at the shops. But no way am I spending my own time doing the filtering, so while I miss out on tons of dull stuff, no doubt there are masses of great tunes that I'll never hear.

Also, lyrics are basically dead to me now. I like the voice as just another instrument, with the advantage that it's the one that's most fun to bellow along to, but a tiny sample does basically the same job as I get from all but the best singing. The exception that I do appreciate is cleverness with form - I'll get a kick out of a long series of rhymes, say, but I'm not hearing the meaning at all (kind of odd because what I like reading has followed more or less exactly the opposite trajectory).

The days of being thrilled by an eighteen-year-old with an attitude are not, I think, coming back.

My resignation that R&B and hip-hop will never again mean anything to me. Used to listen to quite a lot, but when I met my wife she actively disliked it, so I stopped playing it anywhere near so much. And now I have preteen kids I dare not put any on for fear of the language. And having been away so long I have no idea where to return to.

^^^
Who you hang around with can have as much of a negative impact as positive when it comes to things like this.

Yep. But, you know, my wife makes me happier than hip-hop, so it's not a hard choice. First Wu-Tang album was the definitive cut-off moment: the skit about anal rape (am I remembering that right?) saw her walk over to the CD player, press eject, and tell me she didn't want to hear that, because it upset and offended her.

I can't help feeling like there's something disingenuous about people's shame about listening only to older music. But that's probably because I'm sometimes embarrassed that the vast majority of what I listen to is new.

i refuse to give any new hip-hop or R&B a listen. i stopped listening to anything in those genres in 1998...the hip hop I have heard sounds like complete shit and to me is a disgrace to the classic hip hop of the past...it just seems like anyone with a beat, some screaming and a stupid fucking name like waka flocka fucka and whatever can make a hip hop album. I'd like to hear what some classic artists think of the new shit.

Lex to thread.

Wow. I'm really surprised to see such a blatantly regressive attitude expressed on ILM. I mean, if you're not interested in current hiphop or think it compares negatively to that of the past, that's altogether fine, but to put it in those terms...I generally assume everyone here is smarter than that.

i think most ARE smarter than that, cf WAKA (rightly) placing second in the 2010 trax poll we've just concluded.

I've totally come round to stuff like Waka Flocka - sure it's not really dextrous rap in the original sense (Fu Schnickens or whatever) as the rapping's slower and more, i dunno, shout-along i guess? but it's unadulterated fun - pure maniacal glee in tracks like Hard In Da Paint. Comparing it to old stuff doesn't make much sense. It's like trying to compare Chase & Status with Altern-8.

hip-hop is not, like, one monolithic thing with one set way of doing things and one set spirit to keep alive. its essential formal values can encompass a huge range of stuff. i don't know why in 2011 i still seem to have to say that.

I find it really weird when people say they only listen to new music (and many on here do). Do you throw away albums when they reach a certain sell-by date? Do you not enjoy having a historical frame of reference to the current stuff? I like new music, but things like, say, there are certain production values in sixties music which just don't exist any more but are just as welcome to my ears as something produced in an ultra modern studio.

assume they just mean that they find enough good new shit to keep them occupied, rather than a stance or w/e - not endorsing that but it's easy enough to do

i don't think anyone says that, not even me! i prioritise new music, which isn't the same thing. i've spent most of this week listening to old (and new) pj harvey.

lex, just out of interest and i'm not challenging anything here, but how often are you tempted to delve into older music that came out "before your time" i.e. Sure you could go back and listen to the PJ Harvey back catalogue, but I'm assuming you were previously familiar with some of her stuff?

haha and now i am listening to "let the dollar circulate" by billy paul which was like 1975 or something.

Good title for a song that