― don, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 01:49 (twenty years ago)
― don, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 02:02 (twenty years ago)
― don, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 07:03 (twenty years ago)
My favorite song so far in 2006 is "Hair of the Dog" by Shooter Jennings, about him waking up after drinking too much alchohol. My second favorite song on his new album so far is "Little White Lines," which is about him waking up after snorting too much cocaine (and what the cop asks him to shave is his face, apparently), and which has a pretty darn heavy riff, it turns out - definitely seems to rock harder than "Bad Magick," which needs more tune to go with its heaviosity; may well rock harder than the title track as well. Some of the tracks go into totally blatant funk breaks in the middle, too. Definitely a hard rocking Southern boogie album, and a real good one.
Finally kinda made peace with Bobby Bare's *The Moon Was Blue* this morning; after months, I've decided I'll keep the dang thing, though I still find some parts (e.g., "Are You Sincere" where I'm still not sure that "Bobby Bobby Bobby" is what those canned backup singers are chanting and the production of which sounds all scuzzy for no reason I can fathom, the Stereolab-produce-Langley Schools junk of "Fellow Travelers") unbearably kitschy. The cover songs are almost all better than the non-covers. Didn't notice til now that "Shine On Harvest Moon" is basically Western Swing. And "Am I That Easy to Forget" has incidental sounds as weird the ones in "Everybody's Talkin'" (which is a great track), or pretty close to it. And yeah, Bobby may well sing "Ballad of Lucy Jordan" better than Marianne Faithful did.
I talked about James McMurtry's 2005 album, which I guess I'll also keep with reservations, on that No Depression thread. Just wannna add here that, when Joe Ely's voice replaces McMurtry's fairly deadassed one in "Slew Foot," the thing somehow sounds way more alive all of a sudden. Go figure. (I hadn't even noticed on the album cover he was on there, then I heard him, and thought "holy shit, that's Joe Ely.")
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 14:48 (twenty years ago)
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 14:58 (twenty years ago)
xps
― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 15:25 (twenty years ago)
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 15:56 (twenty years ago)
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:49 (twenty years ago)
Both of whom, at least when they recited prose about popular kids and detachable penises, were probably funnier. So no, really probably NOT worthy. (Not that funniness is all I care about. And it does occur to me that titles like "Aftermath USA" and "A World Of Hurt" might mean this CD's supposed to be about current events or something, somehow.)
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 17:53 (twenty years ago)
http://www.mcsweeneys.net/links/monologues/20ryanadams.html
― Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:03 (twenty years ago)
I think they're all covers.
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 19:04 (twenty years ago)
Was a self-titled album on Sony/Monument. It flopped.
But it's not just the harmonies that remind me of Fleetwood Mac - it's also some of the melodies, and I swear there's Lindsey Buckinghamness in some of the guitar parts. One day maybe I'll sit down and take notes and pinpoint where.
The circular return-to-drone motion on "Bones" and the song's first blast of vocal harmony are both right out of "The Chain," though this emphasizes to me how much more intense "The Chain" and "Gold Dust Woman" and "Go Your Own Way" and "Dreams" are than anything on The Road to Here. That said, those four Rumours tracks were as intense as anything else from 1977 that wasn't "I Feel Love" or "Anarchy in the U.K." (or "Bodies" or "EMI" or "God Save the Queen"). (That I can think of off-hand.) ("Complete Control" was 1978, wasn't it?) So this is not to denigrate Little Big Town too much, but there is something missing, lack of a killer instinct, so far. But I'm enjoying the heck out of the album anyway, if not the hell, and I like "Boondocks" a lot even when its pandering to the prime audience's insecurities makes me say "Damn their lies."
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 19:24 (twenty years ago)
Yeah, this was a good example of the comic overloading of preposterous metaphor that I was praising last week:
Cold as a concreteTough as a back streetLike a fratboy in hell weekBabe with a mean streak
Also:
Tough as a dry creekSharp as a hawk's beakComin' fast as a stampedeBabe, you got a mean streak
Probably deserves inclusion on The Rough Guide to Co-Dependent Relationships Vol. 2. "How to have fun as the victim in an abusive relationship. A special report at 11:00."
This is the song that has the line, "Hey what's the deal with your Jeckyl and Hyde?" Also, if I heard correctly, they go "Hot as my Harley/Burns like a dry heave." Whew! She's really up against it!
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 19:37 (twenty years ago)
Oops. Guess I should've said: The covers of songs I heard before are almost all better than the covers of songs I didn't hear before.
So the high-voiced Drive By Trucker is Patterson Hood, right? At least that's what Xgau tells me. Only place on the new one where his Neil Young and Crazy Horse beauty really hits a dust-storm of paydirt, to my ears, is "A Blessing and A Curse." I've decided not to vouch for "Goodbye," which he might not even sing, or "A World Of Hurt." "Daylight" seems to be an awful attempt at Radiohead (via My Morning Jacket?) style nothingness; "Wednesday" is rote bland alt-country; "Space City" another bore. "Gravity's Gone" is a passable second Stones rip (also mentions coke I think -- actually, seems to be about some sort of high-fallutin schmooze party), but not nearly up to the level of "Aftermath USA," probably the only great cut on here (though I reserve the right to change my mind about any of this).
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 20:16 (twenty years ago)
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 20:18 (twenty years ago)
Bon Jovi "Have a Nice Day." Doesn't seem particularly country to me, though I wouldn't mind if country did drift in this direction, since this is far better than "You Can't Go Home," and more Shanksy, since this one he co-wrote as well as co-produced. I think - or hope - the title is meant sarcastically, though it will be taken straight by the listening audience, since most people will just ride with this sound and not register irony. The only line I jotted was "We're livin' in the broken home of hopes and dreams." Uh, John/Jon, perhaps you need to call on Ashlee, who can write this family-drama stuff for reals, with feeling (but in that case, you might as well have her sing it).
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 20:58 (twenty years ago)
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 21:18 (twenty years ago)
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 21:36 (twenty years ago)
Newsflash: eventually the bowls of cocaine start to work against you. When he gets his nose out of the party favors, Patterson is the high voice singer. I've only heard that Feb 14th track, which I thought was OK but kind of unrealized as southern fried power pop, and I like southern fried power pop.
― Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 21:37 (twenty years ago)
Yeah, I'm kinda amazed that hasn't happened to Shooter yet!
Avett Brothers *Four Thieves Gone: The Robbinsville Sessions* makes me sick to my stomach. What is it, "old timey" music for Barenaked Ladies and Moxy Fruvous fans or something? Or maybe the singer got drunk and is wearing a lampshade on his voice. God this thing sucks.
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 21:51 (twenty years ago)
Let's see, according to the bio on his Webpage, "Before he even graduated [high school], he was in pop queen Teena Marie's band." Then he did whatever he did, which included producing "Breathe" for Melissa Etheridge (I don't even think I've heard this song, but my general feeling is that Melissa oversings songs to their ultimate demise), and from there started writing, playing, producing for a whole lot of others, including co-writing co-producing "Steve McQueen" for Sheryl Crow, a song that is nice but ho-hum in comparison to most of what she'd done previously. Anwyay, songs he's written or produced that one could vaguely call country-related include SheDaisy's "Come Home Soon" and Stevie Nicks' "Trouble in Shangri-La" (which I used to own and right now can't recall, so I don't know how country it is, but it's, you know, Stevie), and maybe can include Kelly Clarkson's "Breakaway," which could have been country if it hadn't already been something else. And - now this is where Shanks starts to have a serious country impact - Keith Urban's "Somebody Like You," which lived at number one on the country charts for a couple of months in 2002. Shanks wrote but did not produce it; being Urban's, it's done with an easy touch. Just skips along, rides a nice breeze, probably a lot harder to do well than it appears, but only catches fire for me during Keith's guitar rave-up at the end (which I suspect most radio listeners didn't get a chance to hear). But then, it's not trying to catch fire. It's way more palatable than most sap in the pop country range. Nice. But it has little to do with why I'm now trying to find out whatever I can about Shanks. The why is "Fly" by Hilary Duff, which would have been my single of the year in 2004 if I'd been giving Duff much attention; "La La" by Ashlee Simpson, which was my number three this year and would have been number one if Shanks and Simpson hadn't tried too hard to make it sound tough; and a whole bunch more: all of the crucial Ashlee tracks, and the woman has yet to put out a bad or merely so-so single; "First" and the other tracks that broke Lohan onto the radio; "Come Clean," Duff's first great single; and back in 2001, Michelle Branch's "Everywhere," which preceded Pink's "Don't Let Me Get Me"* and Avril Lavigne's "Complicated" onto the airwaves and helped to set a pattern: personal (or personal-seeming) lyrics but with, no matter how pensive the rest of the song, a chorus that wails. So far Shanks seems to do best with the young women (and when Kara DioGuardi is on board as one of his co-writers); he doesn't have just one sound. He's gotten delicate beauty from Hilary and hot fire from Ashlee. I'm not sure what to make of his Bon Jovi involvement. I'd call "Have a Nice Day" below-average for a Shanks single, but Shanks has done worse. He's still a subject for further research.
(*On his Webpage he gives himself credit for "additional production" on Pink's "Don't Let Me Get Me," but this is not listed on the album notes, which credit Dallas Austin.)
Shanks-related songs I haven't so far heard include Fleetwood Mac's "Peacekeeper," Vertical Horizon's "I'm Still Here," Alanis Morissette's "Everything."
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 22:03 (twenty years ago)
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 22:30 (twenty years ago)
http://gritz.net/
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 00:15 (twenty years ago)
but their new recordis quite fun and bluegrass-popI am in favor
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 01:11 (twenty years ago)
― Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 02:36 (twenty years ago)
*e.g. The opener is a bluegrass hoedown about a hangover ("Poison / Get thee out of me") that calls puke and/or the runs "bubblin' crude", the closer is another hangover song called "Let Jesus Make You Breakfast"; the midtempo AAA-friendly boogie is surprisingly upbeat in tone considering it's about the framing and incarceration of Leonard Peltier; the gospel song with the jordanaires is actually predicting failure ("I know the devil in me will do me in"); etc. I'm in heavy favor of this.
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:48 (twenty years ago)
Yes, this is wrong. Cantrell is country.
― TRG (TRG), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:57 (twenty years ago)
and I dunno, Cantrell is kind of a folkie, but she covers Wynn Stewart honky-tonk stuff. but I think she'd sell better out of the folk section, or the Americana section, altho at Grimey's here she's right in with Can and Captain Beefheart.
― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 16:10 (twenty years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 16:16 (twenty years ago)
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 16:49 (twenty years ago)
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 16:56 (twenty years ago)
Albums
1. Lee Ann Womack: There’s More Where That Came From (MCA)2. Rodney Crowell: The Outsider (Columbia)3. Robbie Fulks: Georgia Hard (Yep Roc)4. Marty Stuart & the Fabulous Superlatives: Souls’ Chapel (Superlatone/Universal South)5. Gary Allan: Tough All Over (MCA)6. Brad Paisley: Time Well Wasted (Arista)7. Dwight Yoakam: Blame the Vain (New West)8. Mary Gauthier: Mercy Now (Lost Highway)9. Patty Loveless: Dreamin’ My Dreams (Epic)10. Miranda Lambert: Kerosene (Epic)11. Bobby Bare: The Moon Was Blue (Dualtone)12. Dierks Bentley: Modern Day Drifter (Capitol)13. Martina McBride: Timeless (RCA)14. Neil Young: Prairie Wind (Reprise)15. Gretchen Wilson: All Jacked Up (Epic) 16. Caitlin Cary & Thad Cockrell: Begonias (Yep Roc)17. James McMurtry: Childish Things (Compadre)18. Merle Haggard: Chicago Wind (Capitol)19. John Prine: Fair & Square (Oh Boy)20. Deana Carter: The Story of My Life (Vanguard)21. Trisha Yearwood: Jasper County (MCA)22. Jimmie Dale Gilmore: Come on Back (Rounder)23. Nickel Creek: Why Should the Fire Die (Sugar Hill)24. Bobby Pinson: Man Like Me (RCA)25. Shooter Jennings: Put the O Back in Country (Universal South)
Singles
1. Lee Ann Womack: “I May Hate Myself in the Morning”2. Brad Paisley: “Alcohol”3. Miranda Lambert: “Kerosene”4. Dierks Bentley: “Lot of Leavin’ Left to Do”5. Gary Allan: “Best I Ever Had”6. Shooter Jennings: “4th of July”7. Patty Loveless: “Keep Your Distance”8. Toby Keith: “As Good as I Once Was”9. Mary Gauthier: “Mercy Now”10. Trisha Yearwood: “Georgia Rain”11. James McMurtry: “We Can’t Make It Here”12. Gretchen Wilson: “I Don’t Feel Like Loving You Today”13. Dwight Yoakam: “Blame the Vain”14. Rodney Crowell: “The Obscenity Prayer”15. Gretchen Wilson: “All Jacked Up”16. Robbie Fulks: “Georgia Hard”17. Keith Urban: “Making Memories of Us”18. Bobby Pinson: “Don’t Ask Me How I Know”19. Merle Haggard: “Where’s All the Freedom”20. Sara Evans: “A Real Fine Place to Start”
Reissues
1. Charlie Poole: You Ain’t Talkin’ to Me (Columbia/Legacy)2. Johnny Cash: The Legend (Columbia/Legacy)3. June Carter Cash: Keep on the Sunny Side (Columbia/Legacy)4. David Allan Coe: Penitentiary Blues (Hacktone)5. The Band: A Musical History (Capitol)6. Emmylou Harris: Heartaches & Highways: The Very Best of Emmylou Harris (Warner Bros./Reprise/Rhino)7. Doug Sahm & the Sir Douglas Quintet: The Complete Mercury Recordings (Hip-O Select)8. Various Artists: Good for What Ails You: Music of the Medicine Shows, 1926-1937 (Old Hat)9. Rosanne Cash: Seven Year Ache (Columbia/Legacy)10. Shel Silverstein: The Best of Shel Silverstein: His Words, His Songs, His Friends (Columbia/Legacy)
Artists of the Year
1. Lee Ann Womack2. Marty Stuart3. Brad Paisley4. Alison Krauss & Union Station5. Rodney Crowell6. Keith Urban7. Gary Allan8. Gretchen Wilson9. Dierks Bentley10. Patty Loveless
Male Vocalists
1. Gary Allan2. Dwight Yoakam3. Marty Stuart4. Brad Paisley5. Merle Haggard6. Dierks Bentley7. Alan Jackson8. Robbie Fulks9. George Strait10. Rodney Crowell
Female Vocalists
1. Lee Ann Womack2. Gretchen Wilson3. Patty Loveless4. Martina McBride5. Trisha Yearwood6. Alison Krauss7. Miranda Lambert8. Sara Evans9. Mary Gauthier10: (tie) Shelby Lynne / Caitlin Cary
Live Acts
1. Keith Urban2. Alison Krauss & Union Station3. Marty Stuart4. Brad Paisley5. Big & Rich
Duos and Groups
1. Big & Rich2. Caitlin Cary & Thad Cockrell3. Alison Krauss & Union Station4. Brooks & Dunn5. Marty Stuart & His Fabulous Superlatives
Songwriters
1. Rodney Crowell2. John Rich3. Robbie Fulks4. Mary Gauthier5. James McMurtry
Instrumentalists
1. Jerry Douglas2. Brad Paisley3. Chris Thile4. Kenny Vaughan5. Keith Urban
New Acts
1. Miranda Lambert2. Shooter Jennings3. Sugarland4. The Wrights5. Hanna-McEuen
― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 18:42 (twenty years ago)
― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 18:44 (twenty years ago)
just scanned Geoffrey's essay--here's his main point, I suppose...
*....they returned country music to its roots. No matter what its instrumentation, country has always distinguished itself from the conformist optimism of mainstream pop and the rebellious optimism of rock ’n’ roll, the religious pieties of gospel music and the secular pieties of folk music by embracing the weaknesses and wounds of human nature. By and large, only the blues have shown a like honesty.*
― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 18:54 (twenty years ago)
― Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 19:03 (twenty years ago)
1) the rockabilly isn't always all THAT hi-octane, or all that raw, or all that metal, or all that pervasive. Just sometimes.2) my favorite songs so far: "i can always count on you (to let me down)" ("gimme three steps" times "who shot sam" or one of those rockabilly george jones songs); "civil war rock" (ubangi stomp boogie woogie in a ubangi style); "confederate money" (as in "your love is like confederate money"); "i rode with j.e.b. stuart" (hard-kicking metal boogie with a manly sore throat -- "sabers and roses" is the same genre, but doesn't kick as hard, though it goes into a nice dobro or mandolin or dulcimer or something break in the middle); "ghost ride" (punk rock stretching toward boogie, and it mentions hagerstown, the maryland city that kix and the left came from, and this sounds more like the left than kix, and has somebody riding their ghosty horse into town and yelling "hurrah for the confederacy!" in the middle. also, it is track #11, not track #10 as erroneously stated on the cd sleeve); "Custard's Luck" (more catchy slimey stones-riffed biker rock; what does "come on you wolverines" mean in a civil war context?). Also there are okay Stones slimers about rebel girls from new york and Southern girls. Some of the more trad and stately and sometimes acapella'd history-lesson stuff is good too ("shadow of the south" is lovely), but i am a rockerist if not a rockist when it comes to country and it will probably take that stuff longer to sink in. 3) the hooves don't clip-clop; they gallop. and there are probably muskets on there somewhere as well.4) i still can't tell if there are any songs about being a yankee.5) in "brown sugar" mr. reb ANNUNCIATES, so you can tell she tastes good not just dances good, and he's not a schoolboy but he knows what he likes. still...um, interesting cover choice, to say the least.6) "maryland my maryland" must be old because it says "the gentlemen were gay" and rhymes that with "philadelph-i-ay."7) oddly, 22 songs is not nearly as excessive as I at first thought.
In other news, Michaelangelo Matos emailed me this link last night. I never heard of this guy before, and I'd have thought it impossible, but when it comes to keeping up with country, this guy may well leave everybody on this thread in the dust:
http://countryuniverse.blogspot.com/
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 19:58 (twenty years ago)
*"Custard's Luck" (more catchy slimey stones-riffed biker rock; what does "come on you wolverines" mean in a civil war context?)*
ah, I remembered this from my LSU days reading about the Late Unpleasantness (so Custer becomes Custard!):
The name James Kidd (1840-1913) is not altogether unfamiliar to Civil War aficionados, particularly to those with an interest in Union cavalry operations. A twenty-one-year-old University of Michigan student from Ionia, Michigan, Kidd enlisted in the federal army and managed to recruit a company of cavalry that was accepted as Company E, 6th Michigan Cavalry, with himself as captain. Brigaded with the 1st, 5th, and 7th Michigan cavalry regiments, the Michigan Cavalry Brigade distinguished itself under the leadership of its first commander, Gen. George Armstrong Custer. "Custer's Wolverines," as they were popularly known, gained renown as one of the finest volunteer cavalry units to serve in the eastern theater, fighting in more than sixty battles or skirmishes. By war's end, the Wolverines had served in the Cavalry Corps of the Army of the Potomac and under Sheridan in his Army of the Shenandoah....
― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:27 (twenty years ago)
CDbaby.com is the future of music, I swear.
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:41 (twenty years ago)
― [email protected], Wednesday, 18 January 2006 20:47 (twenty years ago)
Remarkable, isn't it. Beats hell out of myspace even though a lot of the acts are kind of forced into doing duplicate pages for that service by the tyrannical hype of its benefits.
― George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:15 (twenty years ago)
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 22:37 (twenty years ago)
If tweren't through CD Baby, it would have been missed. I don't think I saw a copy of it anywhere in meatspace.
― George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 22:46 (twenty years ago)
Fourth song "I Can Make It On My Own" on that great Redhill EP is lyrically a post-breakup survival anthem a la, well, "I Will Survive," or "No Guilt" by the Waitresses or somebody: "Saw you with your new hootchie mama/Have you introduced her to your head-case traumas?," sung to a Diddley beat (go ahead, sing along). The drums and guitars at the start are Bow Wow Wow's "I Want Candy" into George Michael's "Faith" (both of which were Diddley chillun all along).
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 23:51 (twenty years ago)
By the way, this has been discussed before, but looking over the top 500 singles of the '90s to '05 on that countryuniverse.blogspot site, and I've only begun to do so, I'm kind of surprised by how many singers I now associate with alt-country apparently had actual radio country hits in the early '90s when I warn't paying attention. Carlene Carther, Leeroy Parnell, I forget who else. He's making me curious about lots of singers and songs I never heard or never thought about before. Don't always agree with him (his interpretation of "Gimme Shelter" in his #2 album of 2005 Kathy Mattea blurb is completely nuts, and he apparently has no use for Miranda Lambert at all), but he's got lots of interesting ideas. So who the hell is he?
― xhuxk, Thursday, 19 January 2006 15:25 (twenty years ago)
>Mattea has the moral authority to cover "Gimme Shelter" and "Down On The Corner" - she's been a walking illustration of the virtues of peacemaking and creating art for pure joy that those songs respectively celebrate.<
Rape, Murder. It's just a shot away.
― xhuxk, Thursday, 19 January 2006 15:30 (twenty years ago)
― xhuxk, Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:56 (twenty years ago)
and been listening steady to Townes Van Zandt. I suppose I like the talking-blues aspect of him best of all, he basically talks his way thru the London concert from mid-'80s, and he's really charming, even turning the Elvis movie tune "Song of the Shrimp" (which Frank Black did sorta cool and sorta half-assed on last yr's "Honeycomb") into a mock dissertation on songwriting ("I can't believe this, now it gets worse...Jesus, just let me finish the thing...what were they thinking, now the shrimp is talking??") and talking his way thru "Pancho and Lefty." but there's something in his singing and speaking voice that gets you after a while, something basically good-humored and bemused at his own obsession with mortality, which somehow seems like a joke to him. at the same time, he's a bit boring, a bit samey, and I'm not sure about his allegories and poker tales, altho he has one strange sorta Hawthorne-like death song about a witch living in a hole. so I haven't quite gotten to the point of making up my mind--I do know the damned tempos are too slow for my taste--but I'm basically won over. and shit, Townes is the granddaddy of alt- as much as Gram or Gene Clark or Don Everly or the Flatlanders or...
― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 19 January 2006 19:43 (twenty years ago)
Yeah! I'd forgotten that's where it dated back to; I've got in on one of those New Orleans compilations on Rhino, now that you mention it. (The Yardbirds did cover it though, right? Or am I just dreaming?)
& Joy Lynn definitely has way more music in her music than Amy Rigby.
― xhuxk, Thursday, 19 January 2006 19:48 (twenty years ago)
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 19 January 2006 23:48 (twenty years ago)
― Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Friday, 20 January 2006 00:17 (twenty years ago)