― michael wells (michael w.), Thursday, 19 September 2002 13:16 (twenty-three years ago)
― Douglas, Thursday, 19 September 2002 16:23 (twenty-three years ago)
Naturally.
OK, I'll also give props to the key change only-for-the-solo on Weezer's "Sweater Song" (I think). Kinda clever, rockin'.
― wl (wl), Thursday, 19 September 2002 16:42 (twenty-three years ago)
― gygax!, Thursday, 19 September 2002 16:58 (twenty-three years ago)
My mom's favorite album by the way: Sunflower. She's more partial to "Darlin'" though.
― gygax!, Thursday, 19 September 2002 17:01 (twenty-three years ago)
― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Friday, 20 September 2002 01:07 (twenty-three years ago)
(ducks.)
Does anyone have the slightest empathy wid dis ?
― Darren, Saturday, 21 September 2002 16:47 (twenty-three years ago)
Weren't most of Sweet's big hits one key change after another?
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 September 2002 16:50 (twenty-three years ago)
― Nick H, Friday, 17 January 2003 13:30 (twenty-three years ago)
No, these are the best. 'I will always love you', the Whitney version.
― James Ball (James Ball), Friday, 17 January 2003 13:57 (twenty-three years ago)
Technically not a key change, but the transition from verse to chorus in Kelly Clarkson's "A Moment Like This" is possibly the most horrifying moment in the history of pop music.
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 17 January 2003 14:53 (twenty-three years ago)
― harveyw (harveyw), Friday, 17 January 2003 17:12 (twenty-three years ago)
― Arthur (Arthur), Friday, 17 January 2003 17:27 (twenty-three years ago)
"modulate for me andy" in that drunken/stoned hazy laugh.
― gygax!, Friday, 17 January 2003 18:27 (twenty-three years ago)
― Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 17 January 2003 18:42 (twenty-three years ago)
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 17 January 2003 18:49 (twenty-three years ago)
― Rockist Scientist, Friday, 17 January 2003 19:49 (twenty-three years ago)
― Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 17 January 2003 20:05 (twenty-three years ago)
― del a robbo, Friday, 17 January 2003 23:21 (twenty-three years ago)
― Amarga (Amarga), Saturday, 18 January 2003 01:04 (twenty-three years ago)
― Joe (Joe), Saturday, 18 January 2003 01:27 (twenty-three years ago)
I guess you just have to hear it.
― Evan (Evan), Saturday, 18 January 2003 01:31 (twenty-three years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 18 January 2003 01:35 (twenty-three years ago)
― Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Saturday, 18 January 2003 01:40 (twenty-three years ago)
Oh God in fucking heaven is this EVER the case. I always imagine him losing his place, running over the huge syllable-count in the chorus, and fucking up the rhythm before the key change, too, whenever I imagine the song.
(i.e. "These eyes / Oh, they're cryin' / These eyes have seen a lot of love, but they're never gonna see a lot of love like a woman like they've seen a lot of wacka wacka blacka like I've had ...um... ... (pause) with youuuuu... THESE EYES... AAAAUUUGGGGH THEY'RE CRYIN'" *(etc.)).
*in new key
― tom (alternate one), Monday, 20 January 2003 06:19 (twenty-three years ago)
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 20 January 2003 20:16 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 20 January 2003 20:20 (twenty-three years ago)
― Paul Eater (eater), Monday, 20 January 2003 20:27 (twenty-three years ago)
Ref: Talking Heads (live that is - song transitions), funk bands (none that I can think of - hopefully you know what I'm talking about..)
― dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 20 January 2003 20:30 (twenty-three years ago)
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 20 January 2003 21:18 (twenty-three years ago)
― Rommel Cox, Monday, 20 January 2003 21:21 (twenty-three years ago)
― Cozen (Cozen), Monday, 20 January 2003 21:31 (twenty-three years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 20 January 2003 21:41 (twenty-three years ago)
http://www.gearchange.org/
― Myonga Von Ballast (Monty Von Byonga), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 03:53 (twenty years ago)
Great key changes can really make a song, but pointless ones abound. Loads of 70s pastiche rock n roll stuff did the so-called Truck Driver's key change, moving up a tone, more than once, to convey mounting excitement towards the end; but really it just serves to show up the paucity of musical ideas in the song. Rockin Around the Christmas Tree (Shakin Stevens?) springs to mind.
― dr x o'skeleton, Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:23 (twenty years ago)
― Daniel Peterson (polkaholic), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 13:23 (twenty years ago)
However, the inarguable champion of all key changes has to be "Walk The Line". Not only does he change keys every verse, he actually HUMS the home note, on record, to make sure he knows what he's doing! Memorable, strangely hooky, and folksy/intimate in a way that actually serves the song's narrative.
― Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 14:48 (twenty years ago)
"Think" (Aretha Franklin) gets points for being one of the earliest key changes there is.
Generally speaking, I like half-step key changes more than whole-step ones. "English Rose" by The Jam, for example.
"Day After Day" by The Pretenders rules because a) it comes early and b) it's a step and a half.
"Just Once" by Jeffrey Osborne is a great key change not so much on its own terms but because it's led into seamlessly by a bizarro bridge.
― Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 14:59 (twenty years ago)
― JAS, Tuesday, 16 May 2006 15:48 (twenty years ago)
― Colin Meeder (Mert), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 16:12 (twenty years ago)
oh FUCK yeah. OTM
also gotta give it up for badfinger's "baby blue" -- the key change into the bridge ("what would i dooooo..."), THEN the key change into the solo! they perfected that shit.
― Lawrence the Looter (Lawrence the Looter), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 16:42 (twenty years ago)
I remember one summer back in the mid-'80s hanging out in the park with a cousin, listening to a lousy local country-rock band play a free concert in the bandshell. They closed "Elvira", that Oak Ridge Boys song, an endless rendition that climaxed with, like, a dozen repetitions of the chorus, a steady half-step upward modulation on each one. It was horrible and hilarious all at once.
― Myonga Von Bartok, Tuesday, 16 May 2006 17:36 (twenty years ago)
The modulation on Louis Philippe's "Sweet Dollar Bill" is brilliant, too, both into the chorus and out of the chorus.
AND
Both are tonic-mediant relationships, you uncaring non-technicians. The best way to change key, I think.
Although it's not a key change proper, the "I need your love..." section in Burt Bacharach's "This Guy's In Love With You" is pretty choice. The entire song sounds like it's in C, but then, in the chorus, it shifts gears and makes it sound like the entire song has always been in G.
― Owen Pallett (Owen Pallett), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 22:31 (twenty years ago)
The worst key change happens at the end of the bridge on The Left Banke's "She May Call You Up Tonight". Ruins an otherwise perfect song.
― Owen Pallett (Owen Pallett), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 22:32 (twenty years ago)
http://www.animationusa.com/picts/wbpict/long.jpg
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― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 22:38 (twenty years ago)
― Myonga Von Bunny (Monty Von Byonga), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 22:48 (twenty years ago)
The key change at the end of The Village Green Preservation Society always bugged me.
― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 23:40 (twenty years ago)
Great chorus, good guitar lick, so-so protest lyrics, ruined.
(Shock!)
Big Country in a nutshell.
― the', Wednesday, 17 May 2006 08:01 (twenty years ago)
So, Best.
Worst is the Houston/Carey/Dion thing already mentioned.
― Ant, Wednesday, 17 May 2006 08:14 (twenty years ago)
The worst key change ever is in Billy Ocean's "Get Outta My Dreams (Get Into My Car)".
― Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Tuesday, June 20, 2006 4:48 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I like how he doesn't try to sneak it on to you or anything, though - it gets a regal welcome! "Get out of my...Get out of MY! GET OUT OF MY DREAMS!" I like the gulf between that level of pomp and the topic of the song, which is demanding that a woman get into your car. Based on the spoken-word intro I wonder if this is being done at gunpoint.
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 14 September 2008 04:44 (seventeen years ago)
I can't figure it out, but there's song acoustic singer-songwriter type thing that sounds like that guy from Sublime or a shittier Anthony Keidis, and the thing has about 5 key changes in it. It's short, but it packs a lot of irritation into its length. Ugh. My sister-in-law's iTunes is so annoying when she gets a mind to play it.
Then there was some song my friend Joseph and I were listening to repeatedly last fall with all of these brilliant uses of key changes, but I can't remember what right now.
― bamcquern, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 23:14 (sixteen years ago)
"there's song acoustic"
no I did not proofread that.
song - some, I guess
"Man In The Mirror" owns this thread.
for serious. it's so shameless.
― my asian girlfriend (bug), Thursday, 25 June 2009 01:07 (sixteen years ago)
I've always liked the way Being For The Benefit of Mr Kite imperceptively drifts up in key and has to loudly reset itself now and again so as to not go up too much.
― ecuador_with_a_c, Thursday, 25 June 2009 02:39 (sixteen years ago)
That song with all the great/effective key changes I couldn't remember was Lee Perry's "Soul Fire."
― bamcquern, Thursday, 25 June 2009 15:57 (sixteen years ago)
I've always liked the way Being For The Benefit of Mr Kite imperceptively drifts up in key and has to loudly reset itself now and again so as to not go up too much.― ecuador_with_a_c, Thursday, 25 June 2009 02:39 (13 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― ecuador_with_a_c, Thursday, 25 June 2009 02:39 (13 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
You know, I never noticed that!
― Mark G, Thursday, 25 June 2009 16:00 (sixteen years ago)
'heal the world' is so much worse than man in the mirror, at least he does some cool singing after the change in the latter
― is juiceless??? (tremendoid), Thursday, 25 June 2009 21:15 (sixteen years ago)
I really like the key changes in Herbert's 'Movers and the Shakers'. None precisely subtle tho.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0xkgxD3x1k
― Moka, Friday, 26 June 2009 05:11 (sixteen years ago)
but in 'man in the mirror' the key changes on the word..."change!" like i said, just shameless.
― my asian girlfriend (bug), Friday, 26 June 2009 06:24 (sixteen years ago)
yeah i guess. my last thoughts on mj while he was still breathing :(
― is juiceless??? (tremendoid), Friday, 26 June 2009 08:13 (sixteen years ago)
Well, still talking about him right to the end.
― Mark G, Friday, 26 June 2009 09:34 (sixteen years ago)
There's a key change in Stevie Wonder's 'If You Really Love Me' to die for
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Friday, 26 June 2009 13:41 (sixteen years ago)
Hahaha I thought this was bumped in memory of Will You Be There. That's my favourite song of his.
― davek_00, Friday, 26 June 2009 13:58 (sixteen years ago)
bestest:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFwmCfpzYNs
― willem, Friday, 26 June 2009 14:19 (sixteen years ago)
worst:
Sublime - "Pool Shark"
― bamcquern, Friday, 26 June 2009 22:24 (sixteen years ago)
heh i welled up listening to 'heal the world' last night btw (i was welling up about every other song for a while but still)
― is juiceless??? (tremendoid), Friday, 26 June 2009 23:52 (sixteen years ago)
What happens between the verse and chorus um verse-chorus and bridge uh the two main parts of "Eternal Flame" has some thing that I'm apparently hardwired to be ambushed-by-unexpected-emotion by.
― anatol_merklich, Thursday, 9 July 2009 04:04 (sixteen years ago)
It's kind of a doofy song, but I believe the Beach Boys' "California Girls" has some weird stuff going on, key-wise.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 July 2009 12:04 (sixteen years ago)
2:46https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6mYcDYJzkgwow
― Morrissey & Clunes: The Severed Alliance (PaulTMA), Monday, 19 March 2012 03:00 (fourteen years ago)
"Build me up Buttercup" changes up for the only time in the song, ten seconds from the end. Hardcore!
― Mark G, Monday, 19 March 2012 07:19 (fourteen years ago)
Intervention by Arcade Fire has a great key change from C to G that sounds like a bridge at first.
― B-Boy Bualadh Bos (ecuador_with_a_c), Monday, 19 March 2012 10:27 (fourteen years ago)
Right, let's have a revive.
At Devon Record Club on Tuesday Tom said something along the lines of "all songs with key changes are horrible and rubbish", which is quite a statement.
After some confused discussion, we came to the conclusion that he specifically meant the type of really noticable, obvious, stadium-pleasing "take the chorus up a notch for euphoria" key changes (like Livin' On A Prayer) rather than the "subtle shift in the song's feel" key changes (like We Can Work It Out).
Which is kind of fair enough, but I'm determined to prove him wrong.
So, more examples please, of both kinds...
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 10 May 2012 12:17 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUa7PmsK408
this is good
― owenf, Thursday, 10 May 2012 12:58 (fourteen years ago)
i love the key changes in beyonce's 'love on top'!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvQpjt5JTIQ
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 10 May 2012 13:42 (fourteen years ago)
Worst - the end-of-bridge, last-verse upward key change, often accompanied by slowing down the last verse for added melodrama, as in the aforementioned "I Will Always Love You". The suspense-building last-verse upward key change is a hackneyed songwriting device used that in the hands of less adroit invariably sounds trite and cliched. Except in the adroit hands of a select few: the Who taking each verse of "My Generation" up a key, until by the end the song is in four different keys.
The Beach Boys were the masters of the unexpected key change. "Pom Pom Play Girl", though s slight song, manages to work every one of the 12 major chords into it, sometimes in major-7th variations, but avoids using even one minor chord.
"Dance, Dance, Dance" has a great modulation to a higher key in the last verse - a common musical feature, except that Brian Wilson starts the verse in the normal key an shifts upwards unexpectedly a few seconds into the verse after starting it in the usual key. But the best use of this technique is in "Girls on the Beach". This song, about how the attractive ladies lining the CA coastline beaches are not unattainable princesses, is set to five-part harmonies promising "one waits there for you" if you are respectful, each of the three verses featuring an unexpected key change smack dab in the middle as the title phrase is sung, only to revert to the original key near the end of each verse. You wouldn't expect any more key changes in a song where every verse changes key twice, but the final verse brings another, incredibly unexpected upward key change not at the conventional place right after the bridge, but rather one-quarter of the way through the last verse (on the crucial word "couples" no less), followed only a few seconds later by another upward key change that was already baked into the middle of every verse at the title phrase, before returning down one key on the last syllable of the phrase "and with their boys tonight" into a vocal/instrumental flourish (which appears nowhere else in the song - but again so skillfully blended in that it can easily go unnoticed unless pointed out) that leads to the outro and fadeout. Last-verse key changes are commonplace, but who else but BW would change the key one-quarter of the way into the third verse, in a song that already has two key changes built into every verse to begin with?
Incredifreakingbrilliant...
― Lee626, Thursday, 10 May 2012 13:57 (fourteen years ago)
So many country songs from the 60s/70s have a modulation. "Coal Miner's Daughter" moves twice, both 1/2 steps.
A minor third step up seems to be more rare, but the Grateful Dead did it in their live version of "Around and Around" when Bob Weir could get up that high.
There's also that weird change in "Right Off" from In A Silent Way, I think it's a tritone change
― Johnny Hotcox, Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:04 (fourteen years ago)